Update 5.204 is now live

[Niagara]

As I have no desire to waste 9.58 GB of HD space for an update i don't need  or want , don't want the TA 152 or need more buttons or Tanks or WWI planes,,    (So tried to launch game in off line mode ) this used to work ! 

now just puts you in a loop  of   " # 10005  please update to newer version "  even if internet is disconnected ??    what give's ??    == need off line mode access ..

 

is there a fix for this ??

 

$$$$$  were spent knowing that off line mode was available if needed or wanted ... 

 

some help here please  .. Thank You .....

[Marvel]

Hello guys, well, after 5.203 and 5.204 I have still problem with my career. At the present date, I can't go on with career. I replaced it with a previous one, successfully used months ago when I messed up the career (see below):

 

 

Now I tried to play several time my career, but always I have this advice:

 

 

I would assume broken libraries or something else. There is a way to fix it, plaese? I would like to avoid a new fresh installation....🥹

 

M.

Edited June 24, 2024 by Marvel
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[firdimigdi]

6 hours ago, Niagara said:

As I have no desire to waste 9.58 GB of HD space for an update i don't need  or want , don't want the TA 152 or need more buttons or Tanks or WWI planes,,    (So tried to launch game in off line mode ) this used to work ! 

now just puts you in a loop  of   " # 10005  please update to newer version "  even if internet is disconnected ??    what give's ??    == need off line mode access ..

 

is there a fix for this ??

 

$$$$$  were spent knowing that off line mode was available if needed or wanted ... 

 

some help here please  .. Thank You .....

 

BTW, download size != additional installation size, most of it replaces existing files.

 

Offline mode works, as long as you stick to it and never go online to trigger a version check.

 

Edited June 24, 2024 by firdimigdi

[DBFlyguy]

7 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

What did the USAAF standard operation procedures tell their air crews when to open the chute? The B17s and B24s were regularily operating in 30.000feet (ca. 10k metres) altitude back then. Do we have some documents on that?

Some good info here with USAAF documentation backing up his points concerning bail out SOPs:

 

 

Edited June 24, 2024 by DBFlyguy

[Sneaksie]

Small patch 5.204b just released - it corrects the attitude indicator (artificial horizon) in Ta 152 cockpit and restores the advanced quick missions functionality for ground vehicles on Prokhorovka map.

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

9 minutes ago, Sneaksie said:

Small patch 5.204b just released - it corrects the attitude indicator (artificial horizon) in Ta 152 cockpit and restores the advanced quick missions functionality for ground vehicles on Prokhorovka map.

Thank you!

 

S

[JG4_Widukind]

Fine ok , will the Wingbroke fixt?

[E69_julian57]

Hello
With the new update I get this error when updating

It happened to someone else

Edited June 24, 2024 by E69_julian57

[Niagara]

4 hours ago, firdimigdi said:

 

BTW, download size != additional installation size, most of it replaces existing files.

 

Offline mode works, as long as you stick to it and never go online to trigger a version check.

 

OK thanks .. BUT..  so please explain the purpose of --off line mode ---  I would think in case the area lost internet service for a period of time ?   you could still fly ...  in this case I could not start IL2 to fly .... and i did not try to start the game and trigger an update .. have not started the game prob since last update .. so i was up to date .. soon as i saw the large GB download with nothing in it i needed or wanted .. i went straight to --OFF LINE MODE --and NO JOY ...  so if internet goes down ==off line is worthless === why even have it ???  === can this get changed maybe ????..

[Siegfried]

19 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

Hello
With the new update I get this error when updating

It happened to someone else

All fine here. Sin problemas.

[Yogiflight]

2 hours ago, Niagara said:

i went straight to --OFF LINE MODE --and NO JOY ...  so if internet goes down ==off line is worthless === why even have it ??? 

What exactly do you mean with OFFLINE MODE? You started the game in offline mode, or you disconnected your internet before you started the game. The second one is what you would have to do. Once you start your game with internet connected, it doesn't matter if you go in offline mode in the game. As soon as you start the game with internet connection, it will see there is a new update and from that second on it is blocked until you update it, no matter if you want to play in multiplayer, career mode or any of the offline modes (QMB, AQMB, Scripted Campaigns, Missions).

[JediMaster]

My install is 81GB in Steam post-update. Not sure what it was before, but I'm sure it wasn't 71GB.

 

If you have Il-2 on Steam, you DL smaller "update" patches which change the existing files. The Il-2 launcher I believe will replace existing files in total, so if there are 3 files totaling 5GB to be updated, you get 5GB of replacement files but afterwards you are still using the same amount of drive space.

In Steam, it may download as small as a few MB up to a few GB depending on what was changed, while only additions like a new plane or theater will add to the size.

 

If you have bandwidth quotas where you are, the Steam way is superior as less is used. If you have unlimited/fast internet but a slow drive, the Il-2 launcher way is faster as it just copies and overwrites the files without needing to grind on the files that are changed.

Edited June 24, 2024 by JediMaster

[R33GZ]

1 hour ago, Yogiflight said:

What exactly do you mean with OFFLINE MODE? You started the game in offline mode, or you disconnected your internet before you started the game. The second one is what you would have to do. Once you start your game with internet connected, it doesn't matter if you go in offline mode in the game. As soon as you start the game with internet connection, it will see there is a new update and from that second on it is blocked until you update it, no matter if you want to play in multiplayer, career mode or any of the offline modes (QMB, AQMB, Scripted Campaigns, Missions).

That is incorrect. So long as you only start the game via the exe and select 'offline' you can play and ignore any updates - I played this way for years as I lived rural and had no phone line. I even managed to play career offline by temporarily connecting via Hotspot, you don't need much data, then disconnecting the Hotspot once logged in. Obviously you need an up to date version to do the Hotspot method. An error message is thrown up at end of each career mission, but it does not stop you proceeding as all mission generation is done locally on your machine.

Edited June 24, 2024 by R33GZ

[firdimigdi]

10 hours ago, Niagara said:

and i did not try to start the game and trigger an update .. have not started the game prob since last update .. so i was up to date .. soon as i saw the large GB download with nothing in it i needed or wanted .. i went straight to --OFF LINE MODE --and NO JOY ...

 

Well that's the thing, you started the launcher and triggered the update check, if you want to stick to offline mode with no updates or checks you need to run il2.exe directly not via the launcher.

 

  

10 hours ago, Niagara said:

so please explain the purpose of --off line mode ---  I would think in case the area lost internet service for a period of time ? 

 

Yes, to some extent that's the intended usage but the game's launcher doesn't have an offline mode so if that detects an updated version then it will change certain files that make the game pop up the message you are seeing. The only way to get around this is not to use the launcher to start the game. But in case you do start the launcher and it detects an update and borks your game, the only way to restore it to a working state is if you kept a backup of the "updates" folder and restored it. I assume you are on a slow or metered connection hence this is such a big deal?

 

Edited June 25, 2024 by firdimigdi

[Trooper117]

A good video of the Ta-152... worth a watch, according to Willi Reschke...

 

 

Edited June 25, 2024 by Trooper117

[Yogiflight]

14 hours ago, JediMaster said:

My install is 81GB in Steam post-update. Not sure what it was before, but I'm sure it wasn't 71GB.

From what I remember it was something over 500 MB.

 

14 hours ago, R33GZ said:

That is incorrect. So long as you only start the game via the exe and select 'offline' you can play and ignore any updates - I played this way for years as I lived rural and had no phone line. I even managed to play career offline by temporarily connecting via Hotspot, you don't need much data, then disconnecting the Hotspot once logged in.

So you played the game without internet connection. This is exactly what I said. You can play the game, when your computer is not connected to internet, even when there is an update available, because your game doesn't know that there is a new patch available. But as soon as you start your game with the computer connected to internet, the game will ask the IL-2 Sturmovik server, if there is a new update to download. And from that moment your game is blocked until you download and install the update.

And, yes, you only need the internet connection for logging in for playing career mode. Once you are logged in, you don't need an internet connection anymore. The game will tell you before you start a new mission, that there is no connection to the game server, but you can ignore that.

[Mandoble]

What's going on with Ta152 top speed? FW chart shows 730 Kph, 9500m. But all I got with 33% fuel at 9500m is 424 Kph (boost on, 2.4ATA).

[AndyJWest]

2 minutes ago, Mandoble said:

What's going on with Ta152 top speed? FW chart shows 730 Kph, 9500m. But all I got with 33% fuel at 9500m is 424 Kph (boost on, 2.4ATA).

 

You have either confused your units, or are looking at IAS rather than TAS.

[Mandoble]

9 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

You have either confused your units, or are looking at IAS rather than TAS.

This is what I get:

[LuftManu]

Just now, Mandoble said:

This is what I get:

That is IAS. Indicated air Speed. You need to check the TAS

 

[Mandoble]

26 minutes ago, LuftManu said:

That is IAS. Indicated air Speed. You need to check the TAS

 

Right! That is not correcting based on altitude 🤐 Yet the result is around 705 Kph, which looks still 25kph under the mark and with only 33% of fuel.

Repeated the test at 37m ASL, and my top indicated speed was 544 kph, still missing the 570 kph mark of Ta152. Anyway at 37m most ATA I got with boost was 1.79. And I reached 544 kph top speed with the 190A8 as well and 570 kph with D9.

Edited June 25, 2024 by Mandoble

[AndyJWest]

Precise IAS to TAS conversions need to take into account atmospheric conditions. Having said that, it does seem to be a bit slow at 9,500 m. I got 691 kmh TAS (4% under) on the Kuban summer map, which is closest to standard atmosphere, if I remember correctly.  This was via Tacview, which can give groundspeed directly (= TAS, with no wind).

Edited June 25, 2024 by AndyJWest

[Mandoble]

1 hour ago, AndyJWest said:

Precise IAS to TAS conversions need to take into account atmospheric conditions. Having said that, it does seem to be a bit slow at 9,500 m. I got 691 kmh TAS (4% under) on the Kuban summer map, which is closest to standard atmosphere, if I remember correctly.  This was via Tacview, which can give groundspeed directly (= TAS, with no wind).

Repeated all the tests at 30m ASL.

 

Ta152 501kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 65 seconds later 536 kph 1.8 ATA (+35kph)

190A8 510 kph 1.5 ATA, BOOST ON, 65 seconds later 530 kph 1.59 ATA (+20kph)

190D9 523kph 1.5 ATA,  BOOST ON, 65 seconds later 564 kph 1.8 ATA (+41kph)

 

It is slower than A8, both without boost, only 6 kph faster both with boost, and slower than D9 with and without boost. But also 44 kph slower than Fockewulf chart (rated at 1.92 ATA which I cannot reach at sea level).

[R33GZ]

5 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

From what I remember it was something over 500 MB.

 

So you played the game without internet connection. This is exactly what I said. You can play the game, when your computer is not connected to internet, even when there is an update available, because your game doesn't know that there is a new patch available. But as soon as you start your game with the computer connected to internet, the game will ask the IL-2 Sturmovik server, if there is a new update to download. And from that moment your game is blocked until you download and install the update.

And, yes, you only need the internet connection for logging in for playing career mode. Once you are logged in, you don't need an internet connection anymore. The game will tell you before you start a new mission, that there is no connection to the game server, but you can ignore that.

To verify it, I tried running offline before updating the hotfix yesterday and was able to use offline mode just fine. The authentication server will only be activated if you use the launcher, or attempt to go online via the exe

[Yogiflight]

19 hours ago, R33GZ said:

To verify it, I tried running offline before updating the hotfix yesterday and was able to use offline mode just fine.

The Offline mode of the game, but with your computer connected to internet?

[kraut1]

Today I flew first time with the Ta-152H: a short quick mission at low altitude over Mainz / Wiesbaden.

Head On 4x Ta152 + 4xBF109K4 vs 4xTempest + 4x P51D

Worked well and seems to be really good for a dog-fight. With combat power for tight turns (flaps not required) and emergency power for climbing and chasing the enemy.

Before it was released in IL2:GB I had always thought, that it was a pure high altitude high performance fighter.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

On 6/18/2024 at 9:49 PM, Eisenfaustus said:

Two questions concerning the cooler setting wheel:

It seems to turn in the wrong direction - when I close the cooler it turns to "auf" (open), when I open it to "zu" (closed). Do I get something wrong or is it a minor bug? (It's only graphics - the function is correct)

 
Meanwhile the arrows are there what gives the labelling sense. 
Good job 👍🏻 

[1Sascha]

On 6/19/2024 at 8:23 AM, LukeFF said:

The available source data says GM-1 doesn't have any influence on boost pressure.

And it don't think it should - GM-1/nitrous oxide injection (AFAIK) is "only" a means to supply additional oxygen to the engine in the thin air found at super high altitudes. Meaning the O2 contained in the NOx will counteract the degradation of performance (due to lack of oxygen) that all piston engines would suffer above their rated altitudes.

However: Since the Ta has both MW-50 *and* GM-1 and could possibly operate with both systems active (not sure about that and I haven taken the 152 out for a spin yet), I have no idea what that would mean for manifold-pressure. The way I imagine it, you'd still be able to run and maintain the higher manifold-pressures made possible by MW-50 as long as you're within the altitude range at which MW-50 is effective - as stated, I don't rightly know if there is an "overlap-area" between the two systems where MW-50 is still effective and GM-1 can already be engaged without blowing up the engine.

 

Guess I gotta re-watch some of Gregg's excellent videos on the Dora 9 and Ta 152... 😄

 

Spoiler

 

 

Edited July 4, 2024 by LukeFF
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[firdimigdi]

1 hour ago, 1Sascha said:

nitrous oxide injection (AFAIK) is "only" a means to supply additional oxygen to the engine in the thin air found at super high altitudes

 

Sort of. Its primary function in any engine at any altitude is to increase power output by cooling the cylinder as it transitions from liquid to gas and apart from oxygen for combustion also provide nitrogen which expands increasing cylinder pressure.

[Aleksander55]

On 6/25/2024 at 10:13 AM, Yogiflight said:

From what I remember it was something over 500 MB.

 

So you played the game without internet connection. This is exactly what I said. You can play the game, when your computer is not connected to internet, even when there is an update available, because your game doesn't know that there is a new patch available. But as soon as you start your game with the computer connected to internet, the game will ask the IL-2 Sturmovik server, if there is a new update to download. And from that moment your game is blocked until you download and install the update.

And, yes, you only need the internet connection for logging in for playing career mode. Once you are logged in, you don't need an internet connection anymore. The game will tell you before you start a new mission, that there is no connection to the game server, but you can ignore that.

 

Something about the size of downloads - This for Steam version. It seems that the sim pre-downloads and keeps stuff that the player doesn't own. This is undertandable in the case of airplanes, as the AI will use the exact same model and flight model as the player, even if we don't own it. But it also keeps theaters that the player doesn't own.

 

I had Stalingrad, Moscow, Kuban, Boddenplatte and some collector aircraft. A few days ago I bought Normandy, Tank Crew and some more collector aircraft. The steam page warned me it would need to install the new stuff. So I started the game expecting to wait at least 1 hour to download Normandy and Tank Crew. Nope, it started right away, with all new content active, including ND and TC.

 

So, if anyone thinks that the HD footprint is larger than the content they own, that's probably the explanation.

[Art-J]

14 hours ago, Aleksander55 said:

 

Something about the size of downloads - This for Steam version. It seems that the sim pre-downloads and keeps stuff that the player doesn't own. This is undertandable in the case of airplanes, as the AI will use the exact same model and flight model as the player, even if we don't own it. But it also keeps theaters that the player doesn't own.

 

I had Stalingrad, Moscow, Kuban, Boddenplatte and some collector aircraft. A few days ago I bought Normandy, Tank Crew and some more collector aircraft. The steam page warned me it would need to install the new stuff. So I started the game expecting to wait at least 1 hour to download Normandy and Tank Crew. Nope, it started right away, with all new content active, including ND and TC.

 

So, if anyone thinks that the HD footprint is larger than the content they own, that's probably the explanation.

 

It's been like that since beginning of GB series, for standalone version as well. Everyone has the same maximum install size, purchasing items only "unlocks" chosen content while keeping all the rest hidden.

[jollyjack]

no announcements, but what are the 5.204b changes?

[2./SG2_assadoc]

12 minutes ago, jollyjack said:

no announcements, but what are the 5.204b changes?

 

[Gunfreak]

So the patch was supposed to add support 64 button setups.

However it has the exact same problems as before. My trim har isn't working. I had bind it. But doesn't work in game. And my 3 position switches are still not working right. 

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

So the patch was supposed to add support 64 button setups.

However it has the exact same problems as before. My trim har isn't working. I had bind it. But doesn't work in game. And my 3 position switches are still not working right. 

 

What plane(s)?

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

What plane(s)?

 

P51, 109, me262. I assume the same goes for all planes just as before the update.

My 3 position levers has 3 "buttons" down, middle and up. In DCS that works fine. In IL2. Not only does it claim that up and down is the same button(meaning I have to bind up and center or down and center) but in game it doesn't even work like that. To get my gears up or down. I have to move my gear level up and down. This has caught me out several times. As I move my lever to center (that I've bound as gears up) but it doesn't actually get the gears up.  Instead each time I need gears up or down. I need to move the leve up and down. Basically my gear down button works more like a gears up/down toggle.

 

I also have a 4 way switch on my throttle. In DCS I have this bound for gun sight. Up and down increase/decrease wingspan and back and forth increase/decrease range. However since there is a 5th button in the center. Whenever I try and bind back and forth or up or down. It select the center button. 

 

Same goes for all of my buttons. Basically just axis, triggers and single buttons work as they should. Any 2, 3, 4 or 5 way switches/hats don't work as they should.

[LukeFF]

19 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

 

P51, 109, me262. I assume the same goes for all planes just as before the update.

My 3 position levers has 3 "buttons" down, middle and up. In DCS that works fine. In IL2. Not only does it claim that up and down is the same button(meaning I have to bind up and center or down and center) but in game it doesn't even work like that. To get my gears up or down. I have to move my gear level up and down. This has caught me out several times. As I move my lever to center (that I've bound as gears up) but it doesn't actually get the gears up.  Instead each time I need gears up or down. I need to move the leve up and down. Basically my gear down button works more like a gears up/down toggle.

 

I also have a 4 way switch on my throttle. In DCS I have this bound for gun sight. Up and down increase/decrease wingspan and back and forth increase/decrease range. However since there is a 5th button in the center. Whenever I try and bind back and forth or up or down. It select the center button. 

 

Same goes for all of my buttons. Basically just axis, triggers and single buttons work as they should. Any 2, 3, 4 or 5 way switches/hats don't work as they should.

 

Well, beyond not knowing what controllers you use, I'm not sure what the issue could be. I myself use a number of controllers with multi-position switches and hats, and they all work just fine (Virpil). 

[Gunfreak]

2 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Well, beyond not knowing what controllers you use, I'm not sure what the issue could be. I myself use a number of controllers with multi-position switches and hats, and they all work just fine (Virpil). 

 

Winwing, brunner and Thrustmaster.

Trim hats has never worked after i switched to Winwing from x52. I've been forced to use some spare axis things for trim.

[McFly60]

I have a similari problem. Flying Bf109 I assigned the stabilizer adjustement to an hat switch, and It properly works. Now I'm trying to assign elevator and rudder trim of the Spitfire to the same hat switch, buy It doesn't work. I saved the different settings on the key map of the specific airplanes.

Any suggestions?

Thanks you guys

[Pocaire]

I also noticed that Bf109 elevator trim is not working with either the hat switch. It was working previously. (Thrustmaster)