Dev blog #363: a look at the past, and new upcoming features

[David_4555]

Honestly I don't mind having the Ta-152 in a location it never flew. It's for the sake of fun. I know this is a simulator but i don't think this means no creative liberty can ever be taken. For the most part this doesn't compromise realism at all. It just gives you an extra option. Don't like it? Don't buy it. And come on having the Ta-152 on Rhineland isn't even that big of a stretch. A small one, yes, but it's not completely unthinkable.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

25 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Not quite. 🙂 My contention was that there should be no objection to having the 152 in the game, since pretty much everything Luftwaffe 1945 was rare, we already have other late 1944-45 planes in the game, and these are good sellers.

 

11 minutes ago, David_4555 said:

Honestly I don't mind having the Ta-152 in a location it never flew. It's for the sake of fun. I know this is a simulator but i don't think this means no creative liberty can ever be taken. For the most part this doesn't compromise realism at all. It just gives you an extra option. Don't like it? Don't buy it. And come on having the Ta-152 on Rhineland isn't even that big of a stretch. A small one, yes, but it's not completely unthinkable.

I can't understand why everyone's arguing against a point I never made xD

 

I never said there shouldn't be a Ta-152 in game, nor that it shouldn't be possible for those who bought it to fly a (unhistorical) career on the Rheinland map.

 

My argument only concerns AI aircraft that you encounter as a player. Since AI aircraft are chosen regardless of what aircraft you've bought, there is no option to just "don't buy" the aircraft - therefore I think the AI aircraft should be determined purely on a historical basis of which aircraft operated on a particular map within a particular time period.

[migmadmarine]

And it is most likely to be handled like the BOS 190, so you get what you want. 

[354thFG_Leifr]

Personally, I'd purchase an update pack that contained only AI aircraft if it meant finally seeing four-engined heavies and other such common airframes that are distinctly absent from BoX. Ta-152 is neat, and it's nice to have something that isn't another Spitfire or 109 airframe.

[IckyATLAS]

On 6/5/2024 at 5:23 PM, LukeFF said:

ultimately the team is going to build planes which it feels have a good chance of selling well. 

LukeFF Is it a joke? A good chance of selling well?

 

Do a full flying B17 and you will see what it means to sell well. Your price will be my price. 

Same for a flyable B25. Maybe that should be easier to do first as a warm-up.

 

And there is a window of opportunity here before Jason does it, he knows how much we want it. And the B17 has been in the Pacific so beware!

We finally may even get the B29 who knows, but that would not be for you at least not in the next four years at least.

 

Time to start now devs after it may be too late.

 

[LukeFF]

19 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

LukeFF Is it a joke? A good chance of selling well?

 

Do a full flying B17 and you will see what it means to sell well. Your price will be my price. 

Same for a flyable B25. Maybe that should be easier to do first as a warm-up.

 

And there is a window of opportunity here before Jason does it, he knows how much we want it. And the B17 has been in the Pacific so beware!

We finally may even get the B29 who knows, but that would not be for you at least not in the next four years at least.

 

Time to start now devs after it may be too late.

 

The issue - as we have said many, many times 🙂 - is the time and money needed to build such planes. That's why we've extended the offer to anyone who wants to build them on their own - with the new title on the horizon there just isn't the time for us to build them.

[Enceladus828]

29 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

The issue - as we have said many, many times 🙂 - is the time and money needed to build such planes. That's why we've extended the offer to anyone who wants to build them on their own - with the new title on the horizon there just isn't the time for us to build them.

But what about the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2, those are relatively simple conversions of existing variants of the type already in the game? They saw extensive action on the Eastern Front, meaning that we can use them a lot more than the Spitfire Mk. XIVe and Ta-152 which we can only use historically for like 1 month, yet the latter two get prioritized?

 

If the Ju-88C-6 can be made then so can the Pe-3!

[LukeFF]

2 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

But what about the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2, those are relatively simple conversions of existing variants of the type already in the game? They saw extensive action on the Eastern Front, meaning that we can use them a lot more than the Spitfire Mk. XIVe and Ta-152 which we can only use historically for like 1 month, yet the latter two get prioritized?

 

If the Ju-88C-6 can be made then so can the Pe-3!

 

Like I have said, all it takes is time and money. 

[David_4555]

To get in on the B-17 mentionned above, I find it somewhat ironic that Cliffs of Dover is getting the B-17 before Great Battles considering that game also has high standards of detail and realism.

 

 

 

[Enceladus828]

On 6/5/2024 at 8:23 AM, LukeFF said:

Besides that, ultimately the team is going to build planes which it feels have a good chance of selling well. 

 

Planes like this one and others recently have also served as training projects for modelers new to the team. So there's multiple reasons why planes like this have been chosen.

To make the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2 would probably take the same amount of time as the Spitfire Mk. XIVe and Ta-152 so they’d also be training projects for new modellers. You mentioned selling well, therefore the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2 would be much better sellers as we can use them from 1941-43 on probably every Eastern Front map in the game and even use the Bf-110F on the BoN map for 1941-42 Channel Map scenarios. As I stated before, we can only use the aforementioned Spitfire and Ta-152 historically for a brief amount of time so I don’t see why they were deemed to be the better sellers when the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2 would have taken pretty much the same amount of time and money to make by even these new modellers.

[Dagwoodyt]

5 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

You can, just get one of the Max Falcon programmable keypads and you can program in Macros, F Keys or whatever you

Adding another controller defeats the purpose of being able to use a button modifier.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, David_4555 said:

To get in on the B-17 mentionned above, I find it somewhat ironic that Cliffs of Dover is getting the B-17 before Great Battles considering that game also has high standards of detail and realism.

 

 

The people working on CloD have their own timelines and priorties, so it's natural they will focus on what they think is most important.

[Yogiflight]

23 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2 would have taken pretty much the same amount of time and money to make by even these new modellers.

I would even say, at least changing the Bf 110 E2 to the F2, surely is much fewer work, than changing the FW 190 D9 to the Ta 152. The 3d model of the Bf 110s is pretty much the same, not like the 3d models of the FW 190 D9 and the Ta 152 and the FMs are surely also much closer.

[RoteDreizehn]

On 6/7/2024 at 1:08 AM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

The term "Wunderwaffe" is a catch-all phrase for German designs from the end of WW2 that were marketed by propaganda as revolutionary weapons that were able to turn the tides, while in reality they were too little, too late and frankly not good enough to remotely come close. Whether or not a type saw (sometimes very extensive) active service and whether or not it actually was a revolutionary design is irrelevant for applying the term.

 

In fact, the Wikipedia page for "Wunderwaffe" lists the Ta-152 right up there with the rest of the bunch. While I wouldn't call Wikipedia a great source, it at the very least shows that I'm far from the only one counting the Ta-152 as one.

 

Only that all those types actually flew on the Rheinland map. In case of the Ta-152 - IIRC there were a few near Berlin and some near the Danish border. I don't think a single one of them ever flew a mile within the borders of the Rheinland map, let alone operated from any of the airfields there.

 

As I said, I'm perfectly OK with there being a player squadron flying the type so that those who bought it have got something to play. But for the rest of us, let's keep it historical and not get into any "What if" scenarios. Those who want that sort of thing can play AQMB or custom missions, but please not as AI in the main campaign.

 

You wrote about the Campain which its out of focus for me. I am not fight against stupid computer AIs. So i play only multiplayer...
 

You said:     ...and frankly not good enough to remotely come close...

Then the allies should claim the title "Wunderwaffen" as their planes were so extraordinary good. 

 

Willy Reschke said more than once, the Ta-152 is the reason that he survived the 2 World War as pilot.

So the ta-152 is competative to the allies planes. He wasnt afraid against the P51 and Tempest but he had respect of them.

 

I really hope they modelled the Ta-152 correctly. The FW190 D9 is sadly slightly underperforming than she really was...

 

We will see what happens in 8000 M Altitude... GM1 should us give enough Boost to fight against Tempest, Spitfire, P51 and

the other in higher Altitudes and the higher Wingspan should give us in general better maneuverability at all.

 

Also the comparison between P51 and Ta-152 will be interessting , because it was possible to beat the P51 in a cornering battle.

Fingers crossed that the TA-152 wont be a mess

Edited June 8, 2024 by RoteDreizehn

[CountZero]

10 hours ago, RoteDreizehn said:

 

You wrote about the Campain which its out of focus for me. I am not fight against stupid computer AIs. So i play only multiplayer...
 

You said:     ...and frankly not good enough to remotely come close...

Then the allies should claim the title "Wunderwaffen" as their planes were so extraordinary good. 

 

Willy Reschke said more than once, the Ta-152 is the reason that he survived the 2 World War as pilot.

So the ta-152 is competative to the allies planes. He wasnt afraid against the P51 and Tempest but he had respect of them.

 

I really hope they modelled the Ta-152 correctly. The FW190 D9 is sadly slightly underperforming than she really was...

 

We will see what happens in 8000 KM Altitude... GM1 should us give enough Boost to fight against Tempest, Spitfire, P51 and

the other in higher Altitudes and the higher Wingspan should give us in general better maneuverability at all.

 

Also the comparison between P51 and Ta-152 will be interessting , because it was possible to beat the P51 in a cornering battle.

Fingers crossed that the TA-152 wont be a mess

what , 262 and k4DC is not good enought ? how bad are axis players online theas days that they need anouther whgat if airplane that will be heavy limited in numbers on server, insted slot gone to more used airplanes more players would wont... but hey it seams devs see fighters as safe bet so it is what it is, im just supriesed it was not he-162

[Trooper117]

51 minutes ago, CountZero said:

im just supriesed it was not he-162

Thank god it's not... waste of time that one. The game has the 262 and the 234, good pick for Luftwaffle jets.

 

[Zooropa_Fly]

12 hours ago, RoteDreizehn said:

We will see what happens in 8000 M Altitude...

 

You'll be lucky to find much action up there in MP, I should expect !

[AEthelraedUnraed]

14 hours ago, RoteDreizehn said:

You said:     ...and frankly not good enough to remotely come close...

Then the allies should claim the title "Wunderwaffen" as their planes were so extraordinary good. 

I did indeed say that none of the German Wunderwaffen including the Ta-152 were good enough to remotely come close to turning the tides of war - and I stand by it.

 

Do you honestly think the Ta-152 - even if it had been available in quantity - would have been able to have any influence on the course of the war?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Agree 100%.  

 

All the next generation aircraft in the world would not have changed the outcome.  Germany had plenty of capable aircraft as it was.  What they lacked was experienced pilots and fuel.

 

But that's what happens when you have the hubris to take on the largest industrial and naval powers on the face of the planet.

[Soilworker]

"a new type of combat sortie will be added for the Luftwaffe on the Western Front - covering the takeoff and landing of the jet aircraft." 

 

Thank you for this! I've wanted to fly these missions since I found out why some D9 skins were red on the bottom. 😄

[LuftManu]

31 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Agree 100%.  

 

All the next generation aircraft in the world would not have changed the outcome.  Germany had plenty of capable aircraft as it was.  What they lacked was experienced pilots and fuel.

 

But that's what happens when you have the hubris to take on the largest industrial and naval powers on the face of the planet.

Exactly!

This is a flight sim and many things can't be represented here. Pilot fatigue, lack of fuel etc. Everbody wants to play on fair grounds and wars are never fair, specially when the outcome is already set. 

But this at least doesn't stop us from enjoying technical advances and "tries". These late aircraft from Axis are often creative and fun to see on simulators

I welcome the Ta 152 with my open arms. It offers different characteristics than another Anton model (A9) and probbly add more to the mix, even if is for a few weeks on a realistic timeline.

 

 

[BladeMeister]

Thanks 1C for 128 buttons. A much welcomed addition to the GBS.👍

 

S!Blade<><

[LuftManu]

1 minute ago, BladeMeister said:

Thanks 1C for 128 buttons. A much welcomed addition to the GBS.👍

 

S!Blade<><

Now we have a good excuse to buy more controllers for Il-2.

 

Damm.

 

My poor wallet 😅
 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I also agree with you LuftManu, the more aircraft we have the better.  We all have our favorites, but I enjoy trying new aircraft and experiencing what they have to offer.

[ITAF_Rani]

Hope Ta 152 will be followed by more collecotor planes in future and IL2 GB series will not be forgotten after Korea announcement

[EAF19_Marsh]

The -152 might not have been my first choice, but I will definitely be buying because it belongs to that horribly-fascinating twilight period.

 

The profitability argument of new aircraft or versions is a simple concept and I am always surprised that the subject returns with such frequency. Large aircraft are higher risk, higher cost and longer timeframe. Does not rule them out, but the business case for these is more complex.

 

But I do feel that - if the current engine / series is to confine - there is a neat low-risk middle ground that should be considered:

 

1. Aircraft mini-packs using existing maps, of which Normandy is the obvious

 

2. New maps that use existing aircraft.

 

Neither is cost or risk free, but it strikes me as a way of maximizing revenue and profit for the current system while the It’s-Definitely-Not-Korea title is developed.

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Hope Ta 152 will be followed by more collecotor planes in future and IL2 GB series will not be forgotten after Korea announcement

 

With timeframes 1941 Odessa, 1944 Odessa, 1941-1944 Karelia, there is still a lot of potential left for collector planes. I am confident we will see a few of them in 2024/25/26.

Edited June 8, 2024 by sevenless

[bluera1028]

Great news thanks for the update if you need any testers I will be more than happy to help. Either way looking forward to the new update.

[BladeMeister]

7 hours ago, LuftManu said:

Now we have a good excuse to buy more controllers for Il-2.

 

Damm.

 

My poor wallet 😅
 

I have a Gunfighter III, CM3, Sharka and a GVL trim panel from Vitali plus Crosswinds. I really will be able to use 128 buttons finally.😁

 

S!Blade<><

Edited June 8, 2024 by BladeMeister

[MarMata]

On 6/5/2024 at 1:15 PM, TheSNAFU said:

So every update I look for some level of improved performance for vr to eliminate or at least minimize slide show slow downs when more than a few planes particularly multi engine planes are around. It has yet to happen. Am I just wishful thinking about what should be expected? Not trying

to be critical just trying to understand if it’s even under consideration. 

Yes, wishful thinking. From what i gather, flight model, shooting, damage calculations take a lot of CPU time, and the game is not multithreaded. It would need rewriting a lot of the engine which will not happen with this game. Lets hope that the new game they are working on will consider this. Until such time, players need to consider upgrading their CPU to one with a very powerful single core performance. I even read that IL2 does not like some CPU types for some reason, but then again, I read a lot of stuff trying to troubleshoot it.

Edited June 9, 2024 by MarMata

[LuftManu]

20 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

With timeframes 1941 Odessa, 1944 Odessa, 1941-1944 Karelia, there is still a lot of potential left for collector planes. I am confident we will see a few of them in 2024/25/26.

For me, this is really interesting. So many opportunities...

After reading the excellent "Black Cross Red Star" this also come to mind:

Odessa in both timeframes is really interesting. I-153, IAR 80.. will have a new and interesting home, but there is also possibilities to have more early planes down the road..

Then we jump to 44 and maybe, stretching a bit for La-7 and Yak-3, and we can also try and emulate some late WW2 East front.

Don't also forget early War in Karelia... Buffalo, Fokker D.XXI, Hurri, and a late Stuka that was mentioned at the video.

 

 

Add this to the mix of the upcoming  Ta-152 and more controller support (so I can buy new goodies)

And of course "new project" that we should learn more soon:
 

What's not to like? 

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, LuftManu said:

Don't also forget early War in Karelia... Buffalo, Fokker D.XXI, Hurri, and a late Stuka that was mentioned at the video.

 

When did this happen? Timestamp?

[NooneYouKnow]

On 6/7/2024 at 6:06 AM, Dagwoodyt said:

I'd really like to be able to use button modifiers as in DCS.

This. So much this.

[LuftManu]

21 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

When did this happen? Timestamp?

Can't get in now, Avi, but a 20mm variant was mentioned! 

[Yogiflight]

1 hour ago, LuftManu said:

Can't get in now, Avi, but a 20mm variant was mentioned! 

The D5 version

[SYN_Speck]

Love the Hurri. It's a beautiful aircraft, and a true workhorse.

[jollyjack]

On 6/7/2024 at 8:57 PM, Dagwoodyt said:

Adding another controller defeats the purpose of being able to use a button modifier.

Just curious, i got a Streamdeck XL, and plan on getting it to work for IL2. Tips welcome on the 'Hows and Wheres' ...

[AEthelraedUnraed]

15 hours ago, Avimimus said:

When did this happen? Timestamp?

It should be somewhere in this video:

 

They announced a Yak-3, La-7 and Ju-87D-5. IIRC, it wasn't a definitive announcement, but at least they're working on it.

Edited June 10, 2024 by AEthelraedUnraed

[EAF19_Marsh]

- Minsk. Smolensk. Kiev. Seelow.

 

- Yak-3 / -9, La-7

 

Barring some nice-to-have-niche, that is essentially the entire game finished.

[Avimimus]

13 hours ago, LuftManu said:

Can't get in now, Avi, but a 20mm variant was mentioned! 

 

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

They announced a Yak-3, La-7 and Ju-87D-5. IIRC, it wasn't a definitive announcement, but at least they're working on it.

 

Ah, yes - also, the I-153, and possibly an early variant of an existing Soviet fighter.

 

But no mention of the D.XXI or Buffalo! Just confirming that.