Odessa speculations (research, aircraft, discussions etc.)

February 21

Love the picture of the He-112. I had no idea it was actually deployed anywhere except perhaps propoganda pix or factory defense.

(Probably zero chance we'll ever see it here in Great Battles tho...)

February 21

2 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

Love the picture of the He-112. I had no idea it was actually deployed anywhere except perhaps propoganda pix or factory defense.

(Probably zero chance we'll ever see it here in Great Battles tho...)

IIRC 30 planes went to Romania.

February 21

The Ju 87 D-5 is most welcome as a Luftwaffe late war option. The Soviet late war additions are very much needed. It is nice to see the series finishing where it begun, on the Eastern Front.

Obviously one can be sad about the planes still missing. I for one would have loved the Pe-3, Ju 88 R-2, and a late P-39 variant. But still, we had a good run.

February 21

3 hours ago, Blitzen said:

Love the picture of the He-112. I had no idea it was actually deployed anywhere except perhaps propoganda pix or factory defense.

(Probably zero chance we'll ever see it here in Great Battles tho...)

Perfect for a Collector Plane

February 22

Well, you guys proved Jack Fraser right with adding the E-4 and I’m glad we’re getting the early Yak and LaGG and IL-2M but why no Bf-110F-2 and Pe-3 (not just for Defense and Liberation but in the past too)? They are relative conversions of aircraft already in the game — planes to train new modellers — and were extensively used on the Eastern Front maps in the game thus would be a much better bang in the buck than the E-4, La-5F, Bf-109G-6A/S and Ta-152. Plus, the Pe-3 gives the Soviets a heavy fighter to rival the Ju-88C-6.

Edited February 22 by Enceladus828

February 22

One can never have enough 109's.

February 22

Most wanted changes for me

1.Stuvi for ju88

2.fix scale for stuvi (what you see on dials is not what you get in technochat. That means that in TAW server without technochat you are way off)

ps stuvi according to Hajo Herrmann book "wings of the eagle" was used in malta bombardments from ju88 in early 1941 even before peiraus bombardment

3.Please fix stuvi's accuracy. Even without wind accuracy is suffering

4.ju 188

5.ju 388

6.A26 invader

7.B25 mitchel

8.Do335

9 PACIFIC THEATER

February 24

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

With all due respect, any chance of seeing the Pe-3 and Bf-110F-2? Those aircraft saw extensive use on the Eastern Front and would be of interest to players (Pe-3 would give the Ju-88C-6 another rival). They’re conversions of aircraft already in the game, thus would be good aircraft for new modellers to make.

They are more than mere conversions, and as noted above, the team's focus is on completing Korea.

We could probably go on indefinitely with adding aircraft to GB, but at some point we have to move forward completely to the new series.

February 24

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

We could probably go on indefinitely with adding aircraft to GB, but at some point we have to move forward completely to the new series.

I'm actually not so sure about this. If we look at single seat fighters: For Germany we have the Bf-109G-10 and Fw-190A9... after that there is the He-162? Maybe some obscure variants like the reconnaissance Bf-109G8? Or Bf-110 variants?

After that we're talking about multi-seat or secondary role aircraft: Ju-188 or Do-217, Ju-87B/R, Fw-189, Fi-156 etc.

A similar story plays out for the other powers:

- For the USSR we have the I-15, a late LaGG-3 variant, maybe two lend-lease P-40 variants, a very similar P-39 variant, a long range Yak-9 variant and the Yak-9B bomber, maybe a late Yak-9U? Maybe the Pe-3 or Pe-3Bis? Maybe an obscure high altitude Yak-1 (stripped down to defend Moscow)? After which we'd be talking about the Tu-2, Su-2, R-5 etc.

- For the U.K. we have Battle of Britain era variants of the Hurricane and Spitfire, the Westland Whirlwind, and the Mustang Mk.I. For the U.S. we have a couple of P-38 variants and maybe a very late or very early P-47 variant... not much else? Maybe a P-40 variant?

- An Italian scenario would provide another four Axis fighters.

Anyway 'indefinitely' is probably just three or four more modules.

I've got now agenda here - just point out that the plane sets are surprisingly close to being complete and it is really interesting to see what gaps do or do not exist.

February 24

Exactly, some additional planes to train new modellers that would be appealing to players and not something that we can only available in March 1945 for the Pilot Career can be the Bf-110F-2, Pe-3, Bf-109G-10, Pe-2 (1944), P-40C, and P-39Q.

Edited February 24 by Enceladus828

February 24

11 hours ago, BlackSix said:

We will be ready to add I-153 to the BoM, BoS and BoK careers and LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 to the BoS career.

LaGG-3 m.1941 and Yak-1 m.1941 were also used en masse in the Battle of Moscow but we have not yet done any research on this, perhaps this will be done later.

Please add an official career for the I-16 at Kuban as well, they were there like the I-153s. And if any I-16s were used during winter in Stalingrad as well, I'd like to see them in the career.

An earlier Stuka is missed for Battle of Moscow and now will also not be present at Odessa. I wonder if the devs and the community would consider and accept slightly simplified (No player cockpit, slighly simplified internal model, engine, flight, damage model) AI only models. For sorely missed planes if they fit the current scenarios. An earlier Stuka, DB-3/IL-4, Do-217... maybe even an AI only B-17.

February 24

I say the early war Russian bombers are what's needed most. The SB-2 twin engine and Su-2 single engine. Perhaps an outside developer can make them as A/i only just so we can escort something. These two bombers can be used on all East Front maps, whereas, late-type planes can only be used on Prokhorovka, Odessa, and Karelia.

For now, we can escort the I-153 - the Pe-2 was not that numerous in the early stages.

I'd really like a flyable Su-2 "sturmovik" though.

February 24

28 minutes ago, CzechTexan said:

I say the early war Russian bombers are what's needed most. The SB-2 twin engine and Su-2 single engine. Perhaps an outside developer can make them as A/i only just so we can escort something. These two bombers can be used on all East Front maps, whereas, late-type planes can only be used on Prokhorovka, Odessa, and Karelia.

For now, we can escort the I-153 - the Pe-2 was not that numerous in the early stages.

I'd really like a flyable Su-2 "sturmovik" though.

What about the DB3-F(IL-4)? As far as I know a successful plane, used from 41-45 as bomber and torpedo plane.

February 24

6 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

What about the DB3-F(IL-4)? As far as I know a successful plane, used from 41-45 as bomber and torpedo plane.

From the 3 of them - DB-3, IL-4, SB-2 - The one that can be used in the most scenarios.

February 26

Any chance of anymore collector planes from the team? I've heard that fans are wanting planes like the A-20G; Bf-110 F-2; Mosquito Mk.IV and Pe-3Bis.

February 26

I don't see any 109's in that list.

February 26

5 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Any chance of anymore collector planes from the team?

Already answered. Not from the team. 3rd parties, who knows but probably not. Besides the few that are already announced, that is.

Edited February 26 by AEthelraedUnraed

February 26

4 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

I don't see any 109's in that list.

Good.

February 26

8 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Good.

I really think that we need the Bf-109 G-10, despite the fact that it would only fit into Battle of Bodenplatte Career. It was a major sub-variant of the Bf-109G series with well over 2,000 built. The G-10 would also complement the Bf-109 G-14 and K-4 in the game, as it did in real life on the Western Front. Also, if they are doing the Bf-109 E-4, they might as well do the Bf-109 G-10 because that way we will have all over the major Bf-109 variants apart from the Bf-109 G-8, which I would like too but I don't want to sound demanding.

I would also like to see the Fw-190 A-4 in Great Battles because a) it was a major variant of the Fw-190A series and was present on every European Front of WWII, b) it would be useful to have in the Stalingrad Pilot Career mode as well as the Kuban one, and c) it would bridge the gap between the Fw-190 A-3 and A-5.

Edited February 26 by Jackfraser24

February 26

14 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Already answered. Not from the team. 3rd parties, who knows but probably not. Besides the few that are already announced, that is.

No Pe-3?!

😭

February 27

12 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Good.

LOL! Its as with Yaks or Spitfires. You never can have enough of them. 🙃

Edited February 27 by sevenless

February 27

I knew there was no bombers on the list. 😒

but there are some , in special one plane here I would consider a reinstall for

pretty decent job by the developers.

February 27

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I knew there was no bombers on the list. 😒

but there are some , in special one plane here I would consider a reinstall for

pretty decent job by the developers.

I can’t talk about planes here because I’ll get into trouble again.

February 27

47 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Taking this as an example - were any DB-3/Il-4 stationed on either map? The Il-4 is an attractive airplane - and unlike the SB-2 - it could carry a much heavier bomb load than the Pe-2, making it more of an equivalent to a He-111... but from the research I did it seems to have been flown mainly against targets well behind the front line... so the railyard in the Velikiye Luki map was hit by Il-4 (station off-map), but I haven't found much evidence of it being flown on any of the other existing maps.

-From my point of view it is a question of priorities and compromises:

Is it most importent,that the plane type was really used on airfields on the map?

Or is it most importent to get for all eastern front maps 1 real russian medium/long range bomber, that was used in general on the eastern front from 41-45?

February 28

The Bf109 we need the most is the Bf109G-10 and it seems that we will not see it, along with the modification of the MK108 30mm underwing cannons.

March 1

One can never have too many 109's. EVAH!

March 1

The La-7 and Yak-3 are really a great new additions and the I-153 too (we can literally use it on every map of the eastern front - they flew a lot over the Caucasus in 1942-43 - we can even see a german movie from that period on you tube where some tchaïkas are chased down by Me-110)

A little regret however... the D-5 for the Stuka. It could have been a lot more interesting to get the B-2 variant which is a lot different from the Dora variant and which could be useful over every maps available in Great battle (even above the channel to attach ships or radar stations).

Eager to fly above Leningrad....

March 1

19 hours ago, XQ_Lothar29 said:

The Bf109 we need the most is the Bf109G-10 and it seems that we will not see it, along with the modification of the MK108 30mm underwing cannons.

Doubtful we will see that unless some third party will take the lead. In theory and very simplified they only have to adapt the already existing 109 G6/AS and switch its engine to the DB/DC version of the K4. Anyways as with many other nice to have airplanes, it is understandable that the developer at some point has to make a hardcut and switch to the Korea engine and focus on the future. I guess we have to just live with that. Im far from ungrateful, because GB as it stands right now has a lot more to offer than it had when I first bought into this game series in 2017 before the release of Kuban.

March 1

Regarding some finish aircraft, and the want for some more bombers, the Finnish modified some Ju-88s under the title "JK" in service. I don't personally know the modifications, but a user on some forums known as Blockhaj should have some insight. I suggest this because it is a (slightly) more original aircraft for Finland, and it technically adds a new bomber type; most important is that this would be a very easy aircraft to add once the information can be found.

EDIT: The later models specifically should have more differences.

Edited March 1 by Airborne2001

March 2

I think that we need more German aircraft from for Odessa, Karelia and Moscow.

Bf-110 C-4

The Bf-110 C-4 was used in Operation Barbarossa as a ground attack aircraft because it had a long range (775 km/483 miles) and good armament (2x 20mm cannons and 4x 7.92 machine guns). Even though we already have the Bf-110 E-2, it does have some differences as it is a more primitive version of the Bf-110. This plane exists as an un-flyable aircraft in the un-modded version of IL-2 1946, yet it would be good to see it in IL-2 Great Battles for the Eastern Front modules.

He-111 H-2

The He-111 H-2 was also used in the early stages of the Eastern Front and would help diversify the amount of aircraft types in Advanced Quick Mission Builder and Pilot Career mode. Yes, we do have the He-111 H-6, but I think that in Odessa, Karelia and Moscow this would help show the transition of squadrons converting from the H-2 to the H-6, which I think would be really cool. The He-111 H-2 was also an aircraft part of the IL-2 1946 list and it would be great to see it make the list of He-111's in Great Battles which would show a cool evolutionary sequence of He-111H's.

Hs-123 A-1

The Hs-123 A-1 was also used in the early years of the Eastern Front as a close air support aircraft, and though obsolete by the time of Operation Barbarossa, would still be a nice addition to the aircraft list and to be seen in Pilot Career and in Advanced Quick Mission Builder, as it would make the scene more historically accurate and more flavorsome. The Hs-123 A-1 was also an aircraft that was also a part of IL-2 1946 as a non-flyable aircraft in the original version of it (excluding mods) so it would be nice to see a Hs-123 in Great Battles.

Ju-87 B-2

The Ju-87 B-2 was used in the opening stages of Operation Barbarossa and would be useful to have as a dive bomber in Odessa 1941 pilot career, as well as at Moscow and Leningrad because right now we don't have any dive bombers to go with these modules. It also was also a plane that is in IL-2 1946 and I find that this Ju-87 variant has the most iconic Stuka look to it. The Ju-87 B-2 would be a nice addition to Great Battles and would be very popular with virtual Stuka pilots, and be an opportunity to expand on the Ju-87 family.

Edited March 2 by Jackfraser24

March 2

The Mörkö-Morane was a Finnish modification of the French Morane-Saulnier MS406. In February 1940, France delivered 30 Morane-Saulnier MS406 fighters, which saw little combat during the Winter War. Germany subsequently delivered more captured MS406 and MS410 fighters to the French. The Mörkö-Morane was the result of a series of modifications applied to the 41 MS406s in service, with captured Soviet 12-cylinder Klimov VK-105P engines and more available armament. The result was a much improved MS406, although deliveries were slow with the first example arriving in 1944. The aircraft continued to perform decently during the Continuation War, thanks in part to the superior tactics employed by Finnish pilots.

For the Finnish project of Karelya and Leningrad, allow me the license to dream, to see one of those planes that served with other air forces and achieved nothing, and in the hands of the Finns... Boooom!!!! They turned unusable planes into machines to shoot down Russian planes.

March 2

Lack of resources + ingenuity = success

Up to a point.

March 8

Would anyone like to see the VL Myrsky?

March 10

On 3/9/2025 at 6:05 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Would anyone like to see the VL Myrsky?

No? That's ok.

March 10

I mean, it is a neat aircraft, but didn't get used for much and for the Finnish front there are 3-4 types I would consider higher priority that aren't being considered already.

March 10

6 minutes ago, migmadmarine said:

I mean, it is a neat aircraft, but didn't get used for much and for the Finnish front there are 3-4 types I would consider higher priority that aren't being considered already.

Fair enough for the VL-Myrsky.

What aircraft would you suggest that are not already being considered?

Edited March 10 by Jackfraser24

March 10

Gloster Gladiator

MS 406

Hawk 75

Fokker D.XXI

March 10

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Gloster Gladiator

MS 406

Hawk 75

Fokker D.XXI

That's a pretty good list.

March 10

Been down this road before in the original IL2 series. I really like the Winter War plane set.

March 10

Two of those (D.XXI and the hawk 75) are already on the wishlist posted by the Finnish team. I agree with the MS-406 and the gladiator, but I'd say Do-17 and the Tupolev SB or Ilyushin DB-3/Il-4 since both the Finns and Soviets operated them.

The Finns had a number of Hurricane Mk.I, but I figure the Mk.II can stand in suitably.

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