Odessa speculations (research, aircraft, discussions etc.)

[Blooddawn1942]

Thanks for the deep and honest view behind the scenes. Much appreciated. 

 

There was word of an Odessa module, not just the map. 

So you decided to go for a full release with accompanying planes then or did I read to much into it? 

[sevenless]

4 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

That I 153 will be a blast 

 

Would like to see a Hs-123 also. But I guess we can be happy to get anything at all.

 

[Lusekofte]

Well If that I 153 came along as the first out. Me and it will have fun in that Finland map under development until I manage to nag me one hs 123 

Edited March 22, 2024 by Lusekofte

[Raptorattacker]

20 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Would like to see a Hs-123 also

Ahh, the 'pre-Stuka Stuka'!

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

So if I understand correctly, the current GB planes will be ported to the new project? It is for me still a bit unclear what does the new project means for the current GB series. Will it replace it? Will it be a new paid product which will receive the ‘old’ planes step by step?

 

Also a bit worried to read that unlocks are being considered. If it is within a pilot career then it can be fine, but please do not make it transfer to the multiplayer.

As far as I understand it, both those points are mistaken. They said it would be *possible* to port the IL2 content, but nothing I've read indicates that they've made any decision about that. Given the terminology they use, the new "project" will be a new paid product that replaces the current GB series.

 

I don't think Albert says they're considering unlocks; as far as I understand he's just giving some background info on why they did introduce them to IL2 GB in the past, rather than suggesting they'll do so in the future.

 

8 minutes ago, Han said:

Yup ))

Boo!*

 

But really, that's exciting! Will it have the same format as current modules, i.e. a map, 8 planes and a career? If so, can you already tell us something about the aircraft? We've got an I-153, a Yak-3, La-7... that means there'd still need to be 5 more planes.

 

 

*Battle of Odessa

Edited March 22, 2024 by AEthelraedUnraed

[Juri_JS]

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In Odessa, there are two episodes — the defense of Odessa in 1941 and its liberation later in the war. For the later episode, we are thinking of Yak-3 and La-7, right now we are in final negotiations with the contractor who will make the models, and I think they will be successful. In the same way, the early episode of Odessa will include I-153, which is now in the works. The most characteristic airplanes are selected, and there will be others

 

Makes me wonder what other aircraft could be added. I think for 1941 the SB-2 would be a must have and for 1944 maybe late Il-2, P-39Q or A-20G. Axis aircraft would be more difficult. The Ju-87 D-5 and Fw 189 would be possible for 1944 and maybe two Romanian aircraft for 1941, for example Bf-109 E-3, He-112, IAR 37 or Potez 633.

[CountZero]

29 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

 

Makes me wonder what other aircraft could be added. I think for 1941 the SB-2 would be a must have and for 1944 maybe late Il-2, P-39Q or A-20G. Axis aircraft would be more difficult. The Ju-87 D-5 and Fw 189 would be possible for 1944 and maybe two Romanian aircraft for 1941, for example Bf-109 E-3, He-112, IAR 37 or Potez 633.

early yak-1, early lagg-3

[Avimimus]

25 minutes ago, CountZero said:

early yak-1, early lagg-3

 

 With the La-7, Yak-3, I-153, and Ju-87D-5, late Il-2 that'd bring us to seven. That possibly leaves room for one to three more. Possibly Fw-190A-9 (although they might not have been used in the theatre)? I think a swcond P-39 variant would be nice.

 

An early A-20G-1 or an early Pe3 wpuld seem possible. Ju-87R would fit. Ar 196 were in the area (might be possible if the floatplane physics from Rise of Flight can still function in the current codebase). I'll be quitely hoping for an Fi-156 or Fw-188. It'll be interesting to find out more about exactly what units were present.

 

It'd also be very cool if the 3rd party devs could expand the Flying Circus plans to release a couple of slower 1916 two seaters, maybe one more plane, and make the next release into a full Flying Circus IV (insread of collector planes). IiMHO they could just make a slightly tweaked 1916 version of the map (they wouldn't need to create a new map or Channel map)... so we're talking adding two or three much needed planes (for historical accuracy) as being the only thing keeping it from becoming a full module.

[Juri_JS]

37 minutes ago, CountZero said:

early yak-1, early lagg-3

I don't think there were any Yak-1 and Lagg-3 based in the region in 1941.

 

14 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

 Possibly Fw-190A-9 (although they might not have been used in the theatre)? 

No Fw-190 A-9 in the theatre.

[CountZero]

31 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

I don't think there were any Yak-1 and Lagg-3 based in the region in 1941.

 

No Fw-190 A-9 in the theatre.

i think none la7 or yak-3 were there also but they anounced them, i do not belive they gona make any more bombers, twin engined maybe 110 variant, and i do not think odessa is gona be dlc type like we got before, i just remenber in video they said 6 vvs airplanes are planed and they mentioned early yak-1 and early lagg-3, so with yak-3, la-7, i-153 and il-2 late thats 6

 

for more axis collector airplanes with before mentined ju-87D5 from them, i expect they gona do 109g10 and 190a9 as its airplanes that are popular and easy to make and on top fit BoBp dlc, and maybe then 110F

 

i expect odessa to be something like bondle offered on steam, collector airplanes new or from already existing differant dlcs that fit it historicly

Edited March 23, 2024 by CountZero

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

early yak-1, early lagg-3

 

This. Also usable in Moscow module, the Karelian map and Stalingrad. Both of them would make a lot of sense. IMHO.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I hope the team gives serious consideration to adding the P39-Q.  The P39 was the plane I first "got good" in back in the original IL2 series, so I have a soft spot for it to this day.

Edited March 23, 2024 by BlitzPig_EL

[357th_KW]

How does the La-7 fit into a late Odessa campaign?  That was wrapped up by the end of April 1944, and Romania had been overrun by the end of August.  According to various sources the La-7 didn’t start it’s combat trails until September 1944.

[purK]

22 hours ago, Han said:

 

Yup ))

 

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I hope the team gives serious consideration to adding the P39-Q.  The P39 was the plane I first "got good" in back in the original IL2 series, so I have a soft spot for it to this day.

Please Han we beg you, P39N/Q... dare I say P63? ☺️

 

Edited March 23, 2024 by Krupnski

[CountZero]

42 minutes ago, 357th_KW said:

How does the La-7 fit into a late Odessa campaign?  That was wrapped up by the end of April 1944, and Romania had been overrun by the end of August.  According to various sources the La-7 didn’t start it’s combat trails until September 1944.

it does not , but at this point i doubt it mathers , other airplanes in game can be used on map

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

1 hour ago, 357th_KW said:

How does the La-7 fit into a late Odessa campaign?  That was wrapped up by the end of April 1944, and Romania had been overrun by the end of August.  According to various sources the La-7 didn’t start it’s combat trails until September 1944.

Yeah, for La-7 you would need a Baltic map or the Odessa map would have to stretch all the way to Hungary.

[Nickkyboy99]

 

 

Since Odessa will most likely be a paid module, it'll be exciting because it opens up the opportunity to add new and unique aircraft! Both Rumania and Hungary operated a "rich" variety of aircraft types, Rumania for instance used British, German, Polish and indigenous fighters in combat against the VVS! They also used French, German, Polish, British, Italian and indigenous bombers! The Macchi C.200, Bristol Blenheim, SM.79 Sparviero, PZL P.11/24, PZL.37 Łoś, Potez 633, etc!!

But the question is, will it be a regular module with 10 aircraft? Or a smaller and cheaper one with fewer aircraft (6-8) like FC3/4?

 

I would prefer an early-war module because it would introduce a fresh load of new aircraft. While for a late-war module, yes, we will have the La-7 and Yak-3; however, we already have a large number of German late-war aircraft. In my opinion, selling it as an early-war module, with the La-7 and Yak-3 available as collector aircraft, would be preferable.

 

Hoping that it will be an early war module since it'll feature a taste of new and unique Axis aircraft, (and of course more early-war Soviet aircraft), here's a possible lineup: 

 

Allies:

- I-153

- I-16 Type 29

- Su-2 (M-88)

- Ilyushin Il-4 OR Ilyushin DB-3 OR Tupolev SB

- MiG-3 series 10 (Collector)

 

Axis: 

- He 112B-2

- CR-42

- Ju 87B-2

- Bristol Blenheim

- PZL P.24E (Collector) OR Macchi C.200 (Collector)

 

[Existing aircraft that took part in the battle for career mode: Bf 109 E-7, IAR-80, He-111 H-6, Pe-2, Il-2]

 

But since this is the last module, I doubt they'll add twin-engined aircraft since they're more focused on their new project. ?

[[CPT]Crunch]

Or it's a bad translation and understanding, you can also read that as a response to the second part of the original statement, since the original writer proposed to view points.

 

As in "Yup" your reading too much into it.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I hope the team gives serious consideration to adding the P39-Q.  The P39 was the plane I first "got good" in back in the original IL2 series, so I have a soft spot for it to this day.

And do the P 40 renovation on current ?

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Sneaksie did the majority of the work with translating it to English, and then I gave it a review to make sure it all sounded right. 

 

Glad you liked it. ?

Luke, you done a great job keeping us as informed as possible. I know I make you a hard time. But your effort is much appreciated 

[Avimimus]

7 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

No Fw-190 A-9 in the theatre.

 

 I figured.

 

7 hours ago, CountZero said:

i do not belive they gona make any more bombers, twin engined maybe 110 variant

 

I agree. Although there is a chance they might let a third party make one.

 

The reason why I suggested a slight possibility for the Pe-3 (early) and A-20G-1, is that they are very similar to the variants we already have in the sim. The Pe-3 reinforces the nose to replace the ShKAS with a second UB heavy machine gun, and replaces the rear gunner and some of the bomb-load with fuel tanks. The A-20G-1 has a solid nose with 4x20mm Hispano, but retains the early narrow rear fuselauge and early turret. So the coding changes would be pretty minimal.

 

P.S. If I were pitching the Fw-189 - I'd argue it was actually just one big cockpit!

[ForceToast]

An Odessa map for 1941 would be amazing. The place names are very difficult to find and its not clear where they are really located I’m assuming that you’ll be able to fly from Odessa  in the surrounding area and the map will be as detailed as the others.

Can’t wait…

[Sandmarken]

Bristol blenheim woud also work great for another new map ?

 

[FliegerAD]

tbh, I cannot see them releasing an early war module with so many "niche" aircraft. Yes, we as a special needs group would love an He 112 e.g., but I doubt it would sell all that well.

 

A late war Odessa module on the other hand runs into the problem that we already have the necessary Axis fighters, and the setting is too early for the obvious candidates (G-10, A-9). But then it is too early for the La-7, so who knows...

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Nickkyboy99 said:

 

 

Since Odessa will most likely be a paid module, it'll be exciting because it opens up the opportunity to add new and unique aircraft! Both Rumania and Hungary operated a "rich" variety of aircraft types, Rumania for instance used British, German, Polish and indigenous fighters in combat against the VVS! They also used French, German, Polish, British, Italian and indigenous bombers! The Macchi C.200, Bristol Blenheim, SM.79 Sparviero, PZL P.11/24, PZL.37 Łoś, Potez 633, etc!!

But the question is, will it be a regular module with 10 aircraft? Or a smaller and cheaper one with fewer aircraft (6-8) like FC3/4?

 

I would prefer an early-war module because it would introduce a fresh load of new aircraft. While for a late-war module, yes, we will have the La-7 and Yak-3; however, we already have a large number of German late-war aircraft. In my opinion, selling it as an early-war module, with the La-7 and Yak-3 available as collector aircraft, would be preferable.

 

Hoping that it will be an early war module since it'll feature a taste of new and unique Axis aircraft, (and of course more early-war Soviet aircraft), here's a possible lineup: 

 

Allies:

- I-153

- I-16 Type 29

- Su-2 (M-88)

- Ilyushin Il-4 OR Ilyushin DB-3 OR Tupolev SB

- MiG-3 series 10 (Collector)

 

Axis: 

- He 112B-2

- CR-42

- Ju 87B-2

- Bristol Blenheim

- PZL P.24E (Collector) OR Macchi C.200 (Collector)

 

[Existing aircraft that took part in the battle for career mode: Bf 109 E-7, IAR-80, He-111 H-6, Pe-2, Il-2]

 

But since this is the last module, I doubt they'll add twin-engined aircraft since they're more focused on their new project. ?

so they say they are at aroun 10% focused on GB compared to new project, they anounced 3rd party airplanes, mostly uber popular types, how come you belive now is the time to make obscure types, im realy puzzeld by some ppls expectations at this point in game. 10+ years of mostly well known airplanes when they were 1000% focused on GB, but now is time for PLZs or sutch...

 

most likely axis airplanes we gona get are more 109s and 190s

[BlackSix]

21 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

I don't think there were any Yak-1 and Lagg-3 based in the region in 1941.

A quick study of the issue shows that the LaGG-3s were in service with the 247th IAP from the Air Force of 51st Army (the regiment was based in Crimea and one flight to the Odessa region was known). The Yak-1 fighters were armed with the Black Sea Fleet Air Force regiments, which were sent to help Odessa.

[Lusekofte]

17 hours ago, CountZero said:

so they say they are at aroun 10% focused on GB compared to new project, they anounced 3rd party airplanes, mostly uber popular types, how come you belive now is the time to make obscure types, im realy puzzeld by some ppls expectations at this point in game. 10+ years of mostly well known airplanes when they were 1000% focused on GB, but now is time for PLZs or sutch...

 

most likely axis airplanes we gona get are more 109s and 190s

I am exited. Where else do you got to fly these things

[FliegerAD]

4 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I am exited. Where else do you got to fly these things

 

I understand you, and I would love to get my hands on an Avia B-135 but I do not want to know how many people would have to google that plane (even among the members of the forum).

 

They need money and unless a third-party developes the aircraft, the investment in development will be spend on stuff that sells. And late war 109s or 190s are a pretty save choice.

Tbh, I am not sure how well even a La-7 oder Yak-3 will sell, although I want that Yak badly.

 

Btw, what about the Il-10? I find it weird that it is not mentioned for GB, although it surely will be in Korea.

The Il-10 is the Soviet late war plane I want, the pinnacle of the Il-2 series that gave the game its name.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

For me a Barbarossa Odessa 1941 Module would be the right choice.

We need more early planes now.

H-123, He112, Do17/217, early soviet bomber, FW189, etc

Edited March 24, 2024 by =gRiJ=Roman-

[Eisenfaustus]

On 3/22/2024 at 7:11 PM, Han said:

 

Yup ))

As this could also reply to the question "did I read to much into it?" I'll ask this:

 

Does this mean you actually plan to release a full Odessa module?

[Ironman7789]

4 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

 

I understand you, and I would love to get my hands on an Avia B-135 but I do not want to know how many people would have to google that plane (even among the members of the forum).

 

They need money and unless a third-party developes the aircraft, the investment in development will be spend on stuff that sells. And late war 109s or 190s are a pretty save choice.

Tbh, I am not sure how well even a La-7 oder Yak-3 will sell, although I want that Yak badly.

 

Btw, what about the Il-10? I find it weird that it is not mentioned for GB, although it surely will be in Korea.

The Il-10 is the Soviet late war plane I want, the pinnacle of the Il-2 series that gave the game its name.

Arguably, before an Il-10 a 1944 version of the Il-2 would be sorely needed. If 3rd party fevelopers were to be involved in additional aircraft, I see no reason why a lot of love projects wouldn't come to reality at some point. An A-20G would be heavenly, just like a RAF appropriate version of the Boston (it's pretty dull to have the B version with FABs).

[sevenless]

20 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

As this could also reply to the question "did I read to much into it?" I'll ask this:

 

Does this mean you actually plan to release a full Odessa module?

 

Lots of potential. Lets see. Release is 2025. We will learn, I guess.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Barbarossa-Odessa-Luftwaffe-Strikes-Bessarabia/dp/185780273X

 

The Air Battle for Odessa: August to October 1941, A Day-by-Day Account (From Barbarossa to Odessa): Amazon.co.uk: Dénes Bernad, Jean-Louis Roba, Dmitriy Karlenko: 9781857802801: Books

 

 

Edited March 25, 2024 by sevenless

[Enceladus828]

I hope we get this plane set:

 

Soviet:

La-7

Yak-3

P-39Q

early LaGG-3

early Yak-1

Pe-2 1944*

IL-2M (Collector)

 

Luftwaffe

Ju-87B-2

Hs-123

Ju-87G-2 or Ju-88P-2

Bf-110F (Collector)

 

*I was going to suggest an IL-4 or Tu-2 but then realized that for a brand new flyable bomber, a flyable B-25 would be the better bang in the buck than a flyable IL-4 or Tu-2.

[tbauchot]

The addition of the Yak-3 is very good news, the Normandie-Niemen will be able to be reborn !

Thank you so much !

However, I would have a suggestion to offer : As you have redone ROF to current standards, could you redo the old obsolete BoB in order to integrate it into Great Battle ? Extension of existing maps, addition of a career mode, and then addition of some iconic planes from this period which could be used, who knows, in a possible Battle of France project ? ?

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

With the release of the IAR, and the announcement about Odessa and the new collector planes, is there any chance we can get an outline for 2024 like we did last year? This was really helpful for keeping track of what's next. 

Spoiler

 

Edited March 27, 2024 by =SqSq=SignorMagnifico

[Avimimus]

On 3/27/2024 at 8:35 AM, =SqSq=SignorMagnifico said:

With the release of the IAR, and the announcement about Odessa and the new collector planes, is there any chance we can get an outline for 2024 like we did last year? This was really helpful for keeping track of what's next. 

 

It looks like Odessa will be fully released next year. I suspect that the I-153 might take that long. I'm not sure about the other aircraft associated with it.

 

I'm certain we will have several WWI aircraft (e.g. Roland C.II, Sopwith Pup, Albatros D.III, Airco D.H.2, Fokker E.III) before then. We'll also have the Ta-152. I suspect that the Ju-87D-5 might be released earlier as well - since the modifications are not as extensive (mainly the new wing).

 

I suspect we'll have announcements of a few more WWII aircraft (e.g. associated with Odessa) once the contracts with the third party artists are complete and there is some progress to show. We'll also start getting more details about Korea.

 

Note: This is all just based on my inferences using publicly released information.

 

P.S.  Given the number of WWI aircraft in the list, I'm somewhat glad it isn't released (I'm tired of hearing people complain that WWI is getting all the attention when the aircraft are updated from Rise of Flight without new field modifications, engine variants, or 1916 two-seaters to allow more realistic campaigns, and without any of the floatplanes/seaplanes... it just isn't true that WWI is getting more attention than other areas). Anyway, back to Odessa!

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

28 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

It looks like Odessa will be fully released next year. I suspect that the I-153 might take that long. I'm not sure about the other aircraft associated with it.

 

I'm certain we will have several WWI aircraft (e.g. Roland C.II, Sopwith Pup, Albatros D.III, Airco D.H.2, Fokker E.III) before then. We'll also have the Ta-152. I suspect that the Ju-87D-5 might be released earlier as well - since the modifications are not as extensive (mainly the new wing).

 

I suspect we'll have announcements of a few more WWII aircraft (e.g. associated with Odessa) once the contracts with the third party artists are complete and there is some progress to show. We'll also start getting more details about Korea.

 

Note: This is all just based on my inferences using publicly released information.

 

P.S.  Given the number of WWI aircraft in the list, I'm somewhat glad it isn't released (I'm tired of hearing people complain that WWI is getting all the attention when the aircraft are updated from Rise of Flight without new field modifications, engine variants, or 1916 two-seaters to allow more realistic campaigns, and without any of the floatplanes/seaplanes... it just isn't true that WWI is getting more attention than other areas). Anyway, back to Odessa!

Thank you for this.

[Juri_JS]

Do we already know the size of the map area? For 1944 it would be nice to have Iasi on the map where lots of fighting happened. Moreover we would need important airfields like Balti, Tecuci, Zilistea or Husi to show the fighting from May 1944 onward.

[Aapje]

Not as far as I know.

Edited March 30, 2024 by Aapje

[Juri_JS]

4 hours ago, Aapje said:

Not as far as I know.

The reason why I am asking is, that I have an idea for a JG 52 campaign taking place in May 1944 during the fighting around the Dniestr bridgeheads. It's one of the forgotten battles of ww2, but an interesting example of a successful German operation on the Eastern Front in the last year of the war. The campaign would require the airfield at Leipzig. - Not Leipzig in Germany, but a village of the same name populated by Bessarabia Germans 100 km west of Odessa.

Edited March 30, 2024 by Juri_JS

[Avimimus]

By the way. Axis seaplanes and floatplanes were operating in this area. Many were based on Constanza, but there was a refuelling station in Sevastopol (and it was upgraded to act as a fully float-plane base for about five months)... so Ar-196 and Bv-138 are theoretically possible (given that float-plane physics were already created for Rise of Flight).

 

Likely? No! But still interesting to daydream about.