Spit IX cockpit differences vs DCS

[Mmaruda]

Foreword:

Before I even ask the question, I am well aware that this might turn out to be a touchy subject, so in case there's a riot and the forum police shows up, it's not my intention to start a realism vs. discussion here, nor do I care which is better according to whom. Both have their place, fans and design philosophy and let's leave it at that.

 

Introduction (or thanks for reading my blog):

So here's the thing, yes I have been flying some DCS warbirds lately and yes it's good for me, because it teaches me not to half-ass things and it translates tremendously to precise flying in IL-2. I still think IL-2 is more "comfy" in that it actually allows me half-ass things, because whatever I do wrong I can "feel" and correct, but DCS knowledge is great in that once you get a routine going and following the same patterns in IL-2 makes things so much easier and satisfying. But then you notice the small differences and you wonder...

 

The actual question:

In DCS when you start the MK IX you flip the fuel lever forward. That lever is right next to the left of the throttle and cannot be missed. In IL-2, you only have that lever in the MK XIV, but also a similar one in the same place in the MK V, where  it acts as a mixture lever and full rich is actually fully back and full lean is fully forward. What I would like to know is, what is correct for each variant?

 

I'm pretty sure that IL-2 devs didn't just yolo the cockpit, but I fail to see where the control for fuel flow is in the MK IXs. I don't really care if there's anything wrong here, just really want to know what it looked like in the real MK IX and possibly how many variants there were. I am also aware that IL-2 has field mods and different engines come into play here, so I'm assuming there's quite a lot to be learned about that.

[Barnacles]

1 minute ago, Mmaruda said:

Foreword:

Before I even ask the question, I am well aware that this might turn out to be a touchy subject, so in case there's a riot and the forum police shows up, it's not my intention to start a realism vs. discussion here, nor do I care which is better according to whom. Both have their place, fans and design philosophy and let's leave it at that.

 

Introduction (or thanks for reading my blog):

So here's the thing, yes I have been flying some DCS warbirds lately and yes it's good for me, because it teaches me not to half-ass things and it translates tremendously to precise flying in IL-2. I still think IL-2 is more "comfy" in that it actually allows me half-ass things, because whatever I do wrong I can "feel" and correct, but DCS knowledge is great in that once you get a routine going and following the same patterns in IL-2 makes things so much easier and satisfying. But then you notice the small differences and you wonder...

 

The actual question:

In DCS when you start the MK IX you flip the fuel lever forward. That lever is right next to the left of the throttle and cannot be missed. In IL-2, you only have that lever in the MK XIV, but also a similar one in the same place in the MK V, where  it acts as a mixture lever and full rich is actually fully back and full lean is fully forward. What I would like to know is, what is correct for each variant?

 

I'm pretty sure that IL-2 devs didn't just yolo the cockpit, but I fail to see where the control for fuel flow is in the MK IXs. I don't really care if there's anything wrong here, just really want to know what it looked like in the real MK IX and possibly how many variants there were. I am also aware that IL-2 has field mods and different engines come into play here, so I'm assuming there's quite a lot to be learned about that.

I don't know for sure on the details, but the IL2 Spit IXe used to be modelled with a mixture lever (the one that's in the DCS spit IX) but it was later removed in an update (I can't remember which one) because emergent documentation showed that by the period simulated in game, that system had been superseded. 

The DCS spit is a 43 era one IIRC but IL2 attempts to pick Mid 44 onwards if it can.

 

[Mmaruda]

1 minute ago, Barnacles said:

I don't know for sure on the details, but the IL2 Spit IXe used to be modelled with a mixture lever (the one that's in the DCS spit IX) but it was later removed in an update (I can't remember which one) because emergent documentation showed that by the period simulated in game, that system had been superseded. 

The DCS spit is a 43 era one IIRC but IL2 attempts to pick Mid 44 onwards if it can.

 

 

I thought there was something to it! I kind of remembered the lever being there at some point in time, but I just assumed I remembered it wrong. Holly hell, that solves it! Thanks a lot.

[Barnacles]

4 minutes ago, Mmaruda said:

 

I thought there was something to it! I kind of remembered the lever being there at some point in time, but I just assumed I remembered it wrong. Holly hell, that solves it! Thanks a lot.

Yeah, it's not the whole answer, but basically, if there's a long production run the chances are there's going to be significant differences between airframes within the same Model/Mark.

 

[Jaegermeister]

 

 

[CSW_Tommy544]

54 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

 

 

The problem is that our Mk.IXe doesn't have either of those. The new Mk.IXc that was just released has the "ring" (which I think doesn't move during start up sequence, unless I missed that). In my mind, one of the two controls should be added to the IXe cockpit.

[86Cheese]

I was curious about this as well, part of why I was excited to see the Mk IXc in GB was to see how it differed from DCS. It's really interesting to me to see how the sims differ. The P51 for instance looks and feels nearly identical aside from DCS' extreme dutch roll/torque tendency and some general instability that effects all of the war birds. 

 

Aside from some scaling things, I think the Mk IX is maybe the most significant difference I've noticed between the two.

 

Speaking of scaling  anyone else feel like GB's Mk IX feels a lot roomier? Kind of the opposite of the jugs, sort of interesting.

 

I'd also like to say thanks to the mods for not immediately 86ing this thread. Even replying to this would get you banned on the DCS forums. 

[Jaegermeister]

52 minutes ago, CSW_Tommy544 said:

 

The problem is that our Mk.IXe doesn't have either of those. The new Mk.IXc that was just released has the "ring" (which I think doesn't move during start up sequence, unless I missed that). In my mind, one of the two controls should be added to the IXe cockpit.

 

I believe you would pull the ring to cut the engine off at idle, but I would have to  look into it a little more.