seems a bit odd to me

[HazMatt]

After flying many different sims and reading many books written by allied and axis pilots over the years the modeling for the Brit planes seems a bit odd for me.

 

Seems I can chase down d9s and g14s with a spit IX for example. (Please don't respond with the trim comment as the spit was not in perfect trim either)

 

The tempest seems to turn like a spit at low speeds. (please don't respond with the trim comment as I was flying the tempest and it was not in perfect trim)

 

There are a few other things that seem to make some of the Brit planes handle much better then I have seen modeled in other sims.

 

I don't get how I can out turn a g4 with a tempest or how I can chase down a d9 with a spit 9. Some of this stuff makes me wonder about the "modeling"

 

 

Edited February 13, 2024 by HazMatt

[R33GZ]

1 hour ago, HazMatt said:

After flying many different sims and reading many books written by allied and axis pilots over the years the modeling for the Brit planes seems a bit odd for me.

 

Seems I can chase down d9s and g14s with a spit IX for example. (Please don't respond with the trim comment as the spit was not in perfect trim either)

 

The tempest seems to turn like a spit at low speeds. (please don't respond with the trim comment as I was flying the tempest and it was not in perfect trim)

 

There are a few other things that seem to make some of the Brit planes handle much better then I have seen modeled in other sims.

 

I don't get how I can out turn a g4 with a tempest or how I can chase down a d9 with a spit 9. Some of this stuff makes me wonder about the "modeling"

 

 

 

I'm guessing you're talking about single player career or quick missions? 

 

I know I've outrun 4x Spitfire Mk IXe in a D9 at low level on Combat Box. Once I was boost and low level trimmed no way they could catch me... until I ran out of go juice ?

[Avimimus]

6 hours ago, HazMatt said:

I don't get how I can out turn a g4 with a tempest or how I can chase down a d9 with a spit 9. Some of this stuff makes me wonder about the "modeling"

 

 

Maybe you were flying at lower altitude?

 

Bf-109 G4

Maximum performance turn at sea level: 21.2 s, at 270 km/h IAS.

Maximum performance turn at 3000 m: 27.2 s, at 270 km/h IAS.

 

Tempest:

Maximum performance turn at sea level: 20.0 s, at 270 km/h IAS.
Maximum performance turn at 3000 m: 27.8 s, at 270 km/h IAS

 

 

Maybe the D-9 had to drop to combat mode (from emergency power) and you weren't at low altitude?

 

Fw-190 D-9

Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Emergency: 607 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 2000 m, engine mode - Emergency: 641 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 5200 m, engine mode - Emergency: 694 km/h

Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Combat: 565 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 3200 m, engine mode - Combat: 623 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 6500 m, engine mode - Combat: 663 km/h

 

Spit IXe Merlin 70 engine:

Maximum true air speed at sea level, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 532 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 4900 m, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 634 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 8500 m, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 677 km/h

[Lusekofte]

Is this a fight against ai? Any British fighter can out turn Luftwaffe ai pilots. AI is good on bouncing you and they can fly fast. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Flew the Spitfire IX on Combat Box a lot over the years and while its a fast and competitive fighter, we always knew that if a Bf109K-4 or Fw190D-9 (flown by a human who knew their aircraft's capabilities) was determined to disengage and they had speed... they'd get away. We'd never catch them.

[Youtch]

10 hours ago, R33GZ said:

 

I'm guessing you're talking about single player career or quick missions? 

 

I know I've outrun 4x Spitfire Mk IXe in a D9 at low level on Combat Box. Once I was boost and low level trimmed no way they could catch me... until I ran out of go juice ?

Fw190D9 and Bf109G6 Late have much better acceleration that all Allies fighters, so that they can appear to outrun quite faster planes in the initial phase.

 

Make the mistakes a couple of time to shut down the boost too early and the Mustang or Spits where right on my back.

[HazMatt]

10 hours ago, R33GZ said:

 

I'm guessing you're talking about single player career or quick missions? 

 

I know I've outrun 4x Spitfire Mk IXe in a D9 at low level on Combat Box. Once I was boost and low level trimmed no way they could catch me... until I ran out of go juice ?

Nah. I'm talking about online. I know it's not skill cause I don't trim correctly and I've only been playing a few months. It my experience online it just seems like the spits are very fast compared to what I've seen in other sims.

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

 

Maybe you were flying at lower altitude?

 

Bf-109 G4

Maximum performance turn at sea level: 21.2 s, at 270 km/h IAS.

Maximum performance turn at 3000 m: 27.2 s, at 270 km/h IAS.

 

Tempest:

Maximum performance turn at sea level: 20.0 s, at 270 km/h IAS.
Maximum performance turn at 3000 m: 27.8 s, at 270 km/h IAS

 

 

This makes sense. We were on the desk.

 

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Maybe the D-9 had to drop to combat mode (from emergency power) and you weren't at low altitude?

 

Fw-190 D-9

Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Emergency: 607 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 2000 m, engine mode - Emergency: 641 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 5200 m, engine mode - Emergency: 694 km/h

Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Combat: 565 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 3200 m, engine mode - Combat: 623 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 6500 m, engine mode - Combat: 663 km/h

 

Spit IXe Merlin 70 engine:

Maximum true air speed at sea level, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 532 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 4900 m, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 634 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 8500 m, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 677 km/h

This one I'm not sure about. The D9 dove for the deck and I'm guessing was in using boost and such but over a few miles I was able to catch him on the desk with the spit.

[Avimimus]

If it was online there could have been issues with various engine settings, or even simply damaging the engine from overspeeding in the dive etc.

[R33GZ]

5 hours ago, Youtch said:

Fw190D9 and Bf109G6 Late have much better acceleration that all Allies fighters, so that they can appear to outrun quite faster planes in the initial phase.

 

Make the mistakes a couple of time to shut down the boost too early and the Mustang or Spits where right on my back.

What type of spitfire I guess. I was able to easily run a long race from the Mk IX... but a griffin engined spitfire would be a totally different story

[HazMatt]

I caught the d9 with a spit 9 which surprised me. I've caught many d9s with the spit XIV which didn't surprise me.

[Hook_Echo]

Kuban autumn at sea level.

A Spit IX with 150 octane goes 355 mph for 5 mins at 25 lbs boost and 3000 rpm or 10 mins at 25 lbs boost and 2900 rpm.

 

A D9 goes 375 mph with water methanol and the cowls closed for 10 mins. It goes slower with the thermostat open, I think around 360 mph. It's possible whoever you were chasing had the thermostat open or they don't know you have to engage the boost with a key bind. Without boost it goes 349 mph.

 

On winter maps the planes go faster, but I don't think the D9 gets as much of a speed boost. I'll test that.

 

Regarding the Tempest's turning abilities, there is a huge thread about that in the flight modeling section of the forum. The theory being the CL max is calculated incorrectly.

[HazMatt]

Thanks for the info. It's very helpful to a newer player like me.

[FeuerFliegen]

On 2/13/2024 at 6:22 AM, Avimimus said:

Spit IXe Merlin 70 engine:

Maximum true air speed at sea level, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 532 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 4900 m, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 634 km/h
Maximum true air speed at 8500 m, 3000 RPM, boost +18: 677 km/h

 

You should use the Merlin 66 engine's specifications, as it is faster at low to medium altitudes; people rarely take the Merlin 70 unless they plan on flying over 7.5km