Battle of Britain campaign

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

I know that this must have been mentioned many times, I think even by myself many years ago, but is there the slightest chance that we could see a Battle of Britain campaign in the short or distant future, we have most of the British and German aircraft needed, just need a detailed map of southern England and northern France.  Also a few rebel rousing speeches by Winston Churchill and a couple of songs from Vera Lynn.

 

Cheers

[Koziolek]

3 hours ago, taffy2jeffmorgan said:

 we have most of the British and German aircraft needed,

 

Aircrafts from 1940? Ooops, I must have missed them. When were they released?

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

17 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

Aircrafts from 1940? Ooops, I must have missed them. When were they released?

Well were shall start !   Obviously some of the  the aircraft missing would be the German bomber Dornier Do 17 and the British Boulton Paul Defiant and also the Bristol Blenheim  and a couple of Italian Bi-planes

We don't have either the Spitfire Mk 1 or 11A but I'm sure the MK VB would suffice just equipped with Browning 303's only and also the Hurricane with the same armaments'

And then the Luftwaffe would provide also the Bf 109 E7, the Bf 110 E2 and not forgetting the Ju 87 Stuka, so really that's not to bad for starters.

[Koziolek]

There is PWCG BoB already with substitutes you mentioned. Does pretty good job. But for a proper BoB campaign I think I would prefer to have a correct aircraft set.

Do not expect it to happen any time soon. If ever

[Zooropa_Fly]

Historical accuracy has always been a big thing for this game, and my observation of forum posts is that the vast majority insist on it.

So without the appropriate plane set, I doubt a fudged BoB campaign would even be considered.

The next project, possibly next two projects, are heading further East - so we're not getting BoB here for at least a few years.

CLoD is the answer for now.

[the_emperor]

2 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

CLoD is the answer for now.

 

Yep.

1. I might be wrong, but the game still doesnt support larger formation (60+ planes), but I could be wrong on that, you may correct me on that.

2. 1940s plane set is missing

3. The Damage Model in the this game is a behind compared to Cliffs of Dover where mostly all vital internal systems and engine parts  are modelled and are damageable and therefore those .303s/8mm can really take you out of the fight and are a threat even when not set ablaze.

[Lusekofte]

Main difference right now to get a historical result is the lack off Spitfires without cannons and maybe have an engine advantage over the 109 E7. 
if we allowed 109 f in and bought the spitfire coming that got 303 guns I think you can make a realistic Bob scenario. 
For the rivet counters. Go find yourself a realistic cfs , it is not this. But it is adequate. 

[PatrickAWlson]

The aircraft that we have are 1941 and not 1940.  That's why I set my fictional BoB in 1941.  We would need:

Stuka B

Me 109 E4 (although the E7 is almost OK)

Pretty sure the He-111s are not 1940

Do 17

Spitfire Mk I

Hurricane Mk I

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The aircraft that we have are 1941 and not 1940.  That's why I set my fictional BoB in 1941.  We would need:

Stuka B

Me 109 E4 (although the E7 is almost OK)

Pretty sure the He-111s are not 1940

Do 17

Spitfire Mk I

Hurricane Mk I

I think you will find that the Heinkel-111 was used extensively by the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The aircraft that we have are 1941 and not 1940.  That's why I set my fictional BoB in 1941.  We would need:

Stuka B

Me 109 E4 (although the E7 is almost OK)

Pretty sure the He-111s are not 1940

Do 17

Spitfire Mk I

Hurricane Mk I

Stuka B and D does the same thing if you restrict the bomb load.  
and most importantly about the fighters is armament accuracy and comparable attributes towards each other. The Heinkel we got was not 1940 but will do. JU 88 the same. But you are right best would be having those planes. But with coming spit you can sort of replicate a believeable BOB 

[Gambit21]

49 minutes ago, taffy2jeffmorgan said:

I think you will find that the Heinkel-111 was used extensively by the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain

I think you will find that the variant we have was not. Thus Patrick’s remark.  
 

 

[kraut1]

10 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I think you will find that the variant we have was not. Thus Patrick’s remark.  

Maybe it is not exactly the same version but the HE111-H6 of BoS has according Han's specifications an armament of the early war MG15s and the MG-FF is only optional.

From my understanding it is very similar to the Battle of Britain versions. Maybe with reinforced armor protection compared with historical BoB He111.

A new JU88-A1 or A5 for BoB is from my point of view more importent because the available -A4 has the more advanced MG81 armament.

From my point of view Ju87-D looks very different (canopy, cooler, twin MG81) to the B version.

For the BF109-E3: I am not sure but I have seen in a YouTube video that the later E3s had the propeller pitch controll already relocated to the throttle lever where it is already in the E7. If this is correct the creation of the E3 wuld be easier.

The BF110 of BoM is very similar in respect of armament to the C variants.

 

[Robli]

If you are not after multiplayer, just use Cliffs of Dover, it will give you a better Battle of Britain experience than current GB could do.

[Sandmarken]

There is maybe more options for interesting 41 and 42 senarios with our planes and  map? Im am still waiting for someone to make a campaign with a Dieppe raid theme ?

Edited February 5, 2024 by Sandmarken

[453=SGII_Wotan]

Fortresses and Focke Wulfes  ? coming soon to CLOD

[kraut1]

53 minutes ago, Sandmarken said:

There is maybe more options for interesting 41 and 42 senarios with out planes and  map? Im am still waiting for someone to make a campaign with a Dieppe raid theme ?

In EMG you can create Operation Jubilee Missions (Dieppe Raid):

When selecting 19th August 42 the "Jubilee" extra target objectives (Battle with Landing Ships, ground units) are activated for Channel Map / Channel Front:

 

[Sandmarken]

14 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

In EMG you can create Operation Jubilee Missions (Dieppe Raid):

When selecting 19th August 42 the "Jubilee" extra target objectives (Battle with Landing Ships, ground units) are activated for Channel Map / Channel Front:

 

Thx for the tip,  i know about this tool ? I do like the quick missions builder, but i do think nothing can compare with a good human made campaign. 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I think the closest you will get is a proxy BOB scenario using the current aircraft.

 

BOB 1942_3_4_5

[PatrickAWlson]

11 hours ago, taffy2jeffmorgan said:

I think you will find that the Heinkel-111 was used extensively by the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain

Poor wording on  my part.  I meant that the He-111-H6 might be a later version than the BoB version.

[357th_KW]

The BoB era 111’s were P and early H models.  The H-6 has a bit more power, but as long as you stuck to the 7.92mm defensive armament, it’s pretty close.

 

The 109E-7 and 110E stand in pretty well for a 109E-4 and 110C.  Ju88A works well too.  The Ju87 has a bit more tail gun firepower with the double MG.

 

The big problem is no Hurricane I or Spitfire I/II.  The Hurricane IIa is sort of in between those in performance, and has the correct 8 x .303 armament.  The Spit V vastly outperforms the 109E and the cannon armament really changes the game in the scenario.  Yeah a few Spit Mk Ib’s saw action with 20mm’s but they were rare and problematic, and weren’t 20mph faster then the 109E.

 

I keep going back and forth over making BoB missions for my server (they’re otherwise perfect for the higher altitude escort/intercept theme of the server), but the lack of period correct British fighters keeps holding me back.

[Enceladus828]

It would just be best to add a flyable Defiant and Do-17 for a BoB campaign (the rest being a 1941 plane set) in this game. Those are the only major planes not currently flyable in the Dover series so it would be more profitable to add those planes in GBs instead of a complete 1940 plane set as we already have that in Blitz minus the two aforementioned planes. 

[Gambit21]

28 minutes ago, 357th_KW said:

 

The big problem is no Hurricane I or Spitfire I/II.  The Hurricane IIa is sort of in between those in performance, and has the correct 8 x .303 armament.  The Spit V vastly outperforms the 109E and the cannon armament really changes the game in the scenario.  Yeah a few Spit Mk Ib’s saw action with 20mm’s but they were rare and problematic, and weren’t 20mph faster then the 109E.

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[Senilix67]

I think 1C and Team Fusion agreed that 1C will not compete with Team Fusion with BoB campaign when CoD was handed over. Not sure about this though

[EAF19_Marsh]

19 hours ago, 357th_KW said:

The Spit V vastly outperforms the 109E and the cannon armament really changes the game in the scenario.  Yeah a few Spit Mk Ib’s saw action with 20mm’s but they were rare and problematic, and weren’t 20mph faster then the 109E.

 

Could you not say that such elements would not be reflective of massive 1940s British Balls?

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, Senilix67 said:

I think 1C and Team Fusion agreed that 1C will not compete with Team Fusion with BoB campaign when CoD was handed over. Not sure about this though

 

There was never a formal agreement about this but yes, it was judged to be best to not have the two titles compete with each other.

[Lusekofte]

I think a Bob scenario can be made by a skilled mission maker today. With restricted payloads and not too rivetcounting audience. Even better when the new spit arrive with 303 guns. But honestly. I would not fly bombers in that campaign. In this game they do not stand a chance. This is why I am deeply grateful for clod. 

[357th_KW]

Is there any possibility of a Spitfire Mk I/II and Hurricane I collector in the future?  They would flesh out the channel set, and the Hurricane I saw service on the eastern front.  Those two would sell like crazy as well.

 

22 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

There was never a formal agreement about this but yes, it was judged to be best to not have the two titles compete with each other.