[RELEASE] IL2WinWing V1.4

[ZenIT_SWE]

****** NOTE ******

If you have SimHaptic or any other software that reads telemetry from IL-2 you may have to add a second socket in the IL-2 config:

 

[KEY = telemetrydevice]
      addr = "127.0.0.1"
      addr1 = "127.0.0.1:4322"
      decimation = 2
      enable = true
      port = 29373
[END]

 

Just make sure that the port number (in this case 4322 or 29373) matches with what you have in the IL2WinWing config file (IL2WinWing.dll.config).

 

************

 

Version 1.4 was just released with a minor bug fix and a change in how it's connecting to IL-2, making it possible for other apps to listen on the same port.

 

Version 1.3 is now available. Added some more parameters to increase the responsiveness of the vibrations.

 

Version 1.2 now available with some pretty major bug fixes.

 

I recently bought a WinWing HOTAS with their "Dynamic Vibrator Motor" system and was a bit disappointed that it didn't work in IL-2. So I created this little app that works as a "proxy" between IL-2 and SimApp Pro, basically converting the data from IL-2 to a format that makes SimApp Pro think that you're flying the TF-51D in DCS.

 

The stick/throttle will vibrate based on AoA, landing gear status and when you fire the guns. Hope you'll like it ?

https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2WinWing

Edited February 7 by ZenIT_SWE
New version

[-332FG-MickX]

  

On 1/18/2024 at 9:57 PM, =NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE said:

I recently bought a WinWing HOTAS with their "Dynamic Vibrator Motor" system and was a bit disappointed that it didn't work in IL-2. So I created this little app that works as a "proxy" between IL-2 and SimApp Pro, basically converting the data from IL-2 to a format that makes SimApp Pro think that you're flying the TF-51D in DCS.

 

The stick/throttle will vibrate based on AoA, landing gear status and when you fire the guns. Hope you'll like it ?

https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2WinWing

 

 

Very exciting @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE! I’ve always been on the edge of buying it but having it only work for DCS held me back.

Does this mean you will get rumble and shakes for AoA/stall as if it were a tf-51 even if you are flying a A-20 though?

Edited January 20, 2024 by -332FG-MickX
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[ZenIT_SWE]

14 hours ago, -332FG-MickX said:

  

 

 

Very exciting @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE! I’ve always been on the edge of buying it but having it only work for DCS held me back.

Does this mean you will get rumble and shakes for AoA/stall as if it were a tf-51 even if you are flying a A-20 though?

Yes you will ?

It is possible to create custom profiles in SimApp Pro to tune the amount of vibration in different situations. This is a quite tedious process though, the UI could be better. However, Winwing is working on an SDK that I think will make it possible to implement support directly in the games as well as making it easier for 3rd party developers

[CaptainBiggles]

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE, this software is exactly what I've been looking for, however it does not seem to work with some planes, such as the Normandy planeset, D9, A8 et cetera. Is this a limitation of the game or is it a bug with the software?

[ZenIT_SWE]

I'm not sure, I haven't tried the application with those models. I will need to take a look at the telemetry data for them and see if it differs from the other ones, that's the only explanation I can think of. I'm not home until next week but I will take a look then. Another user have reported issues with the app as well that I also will have a look at. It apparently stops working after a few seconds, something I haven't experienced myself.

 

I will come back to you once I've had a look. Thank you for reporting!

[CaptainBiggles]

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE, thanks for the response. I can confirm that it sometimes stops working after a few seconds, however a game restart and also a restart of the Il-2 Winwing fixes this.
 

The software works perfectly with the P-51, P-40, and the P-38. It also works well with the Spitfire IXe. I have not tested extensively, but I can confirm it does not work with the following planes:

 

FW-190 D9

FW-190 A8

Spitfire Mk.XIV

Tempest

Typhoon

P-39.

P-47.

 

I have not tested all the planes, I haven't tested the bf109 for instance. But the ones I name I have tested, if not multiple times then at least once.

 

It does appear to be temperamental,  in that sometimes the planes will work one time and not another (the ones I list above never worked), I have not had time to test extensively as I have said before. But it always works perfectly with the P-51D, sometimes it will stop working after a few seconds of being spawned in but this is rare.

 

I'm currently away so I can't test anymore until next week, but the above planes I have spawned in, single and multiplayer for some of them, and I have not been getting any haptic feedback, even when firing the guns. It also sometimes stops working after I have respawned, whether I am in the same plane or not.

 

Thanks so much for making this software, it's exactly what I have been looking for since I got my Winwing a couple of months ago.

 

[ZenIT_SWE]

On 3/15/2024 at 1:30 PM, =DW=_CaptainBiggles said:

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE, thanks for the response. I can confirm that it sometimes stops working after a few seconds, however a game restart and also a restart of the Il-2 Winwing fixes this.
 

The software works perfectly with the P-51, P-40, and the P-38. It also works well with the Spitfire IXe. I have not tested extensively, but I can confirm it does not work with the following planes:

 

FW-190 D9

FW-190 A8

Spitfire Mk.XIV

Tempest

Typhoon

P-39.

P-47.

 

I have not tested all the planes, I haven't tested the bf109 for instance. But the ones I name I have tested, if not multiple times then at least once.

 

It does appear to be temperamental,  in that sometimes the planes will work one time and not another (the ones I list above never worked), I have not had time to test extensively as I have said before. But it always works perfectly with the P-51D, sometimes it will stop working after a few seconds of being spawned in but this is rare.

 

I'm currently away so I can't test anymore until next week, but the above planes I have spawned in, single and multiplayer for some of them, and I have not been getting any haptic feedback, even when firing the guns. It also sometimes stops working after I have respawned, whether I am in the same plane or not.

 

Thanks so much for making this software, it's exactly what I have been looking for since I got my Winwing a couple of months ago.

 

I have looked into this now and found a couple of things that hopefully will fix the issue with the app crashing. I have tested the app on all the aircraft you mentioned above and it works for me. It did that previously as well but I found that I didn't keep SimApp Pro in sync when pausing the game or switching aircraft, that is hopefully not the case anymore. The updated version can be found here:
https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2WinWing/releases/tag/v1.2

 

I would appreciate if you gave me some feedback whether it works or not!

Edited March 19, 2024 by =NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE

[CaptainBiggles]

On 3/19/2024 at 5:32 PM, =NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE said:

I have looked into this now and found a couple of things that hopefully will fix the issue with the app crashing. I have tested the app on all the aircraft you mentioned above and it works for me. It did that previously as well but I found that I didn't keep SimApp Pro in sync when pausing the game or switching aircraft, that is hopefully not the case anymore. The updated version can be found here:
https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2WinWing/releases/tag/v1.2

 

I would appreciate if you gave me some feedback whether it works or not!

Thanks so much for looking into it, sorry I have taken so long to respond, thought I had set it to ping me when there was a new post here but obv not I'm installing the new version now and I will hope to have feedback for you by the end of the week 👍

[CaptainBiggles]

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE, sorry once again I've taken a while to get back to you. IRL is very hectic right now!

 

Thanks so much for fixing the bugs, it now works flawlessly (every single plane I've thrown at it works perfectly) and the only problem I've ever had since installing the new version was the first time I tried it after the new update I loaded into various planes, tested them etc and then after two planes the third one wouldn't work. I since have not been able to replicate this so I don't know what happened, I can provide additional info if you require. But that was a week ago now, and I haven't had a single issue since then.

 

Thanks once again, it's so much fun to be able to "feel" the plane through the vibrations. I hope that soon WinWing will make it so we can have individual profiles per plane like in DCS, that would be amazing.

 

Regards, Biggles

[ZenIT_SWE]

2 hours ago, =DW=_CaptainBiggles said:

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE, sorry once again I've taken a while to get back to you. IRL is very hectic right now!

 

Thanks so much for fixing the bugs, it now works flawlessly (every single plane I've thrown at it works perfectly) and the only problem I've ever had since installing the new version was the first time I tried it after the new update I loaded into various planes, tested them etc and then after two planes the third one wouldn't work. I since have not been able to replicate this so I don't know what happened, I can provide additional info if you require. But that was a week ago now, and I haven't had a single issue since then.

 

Thanks once again, it's so much fun to be able to "feel" the plane through the vibrations. I hope that soon WinWing will make it so we can have individual profiles per plane like in DCS, that would be amazing.

 

Regards, Biggles

Absolutely no need to apologize man! I'm glad to hear that it works for you, I have been loosing myself in iRacing so to be honest I haven't done any IL-2 other than a few test runs.

 

Regarding the profiles you can in fact make customize the profile in SimApp Pro but the UI is among the worst I've seen and the process is a pain in the but.

[Louna07]

Hello, 

i was searching for a way to bind my winwing hotas to IL2. currently i'm using RS mapper, but thats not optimized at all. 
I was wondering if I can put keybinding from winwing software directly into IL2. 
Otherwise, would like to know how do you proceed to bind all the controls on your winwing hotas . 

 

[ZenIT_SWE]

On 4/21/2024 at 3:54 PM, YoubiOO7 said:

Hello, 

i was searching for a way to bind my winwing hotas to IL2. currently i'm using RS mapper, but thats not optimized at all. 
I was wondering if I can put keybinding from winwing software directly into IL2. 
Otherwise, would like to know how do you proceed to bind all the controls on your winwing hotas . 

 

As far as I know you bind it just as you bind any other joystick/throttle. However, in order to use all the buttons/axes on the throttle you have to enable the 4x32 mode in SimApp Pro

[Roover]

Hi.

 

Just found your little app and it does not seem to work on my side. Must be my bad.

 

First I launch SimAppPro - do I have to go to the Dynamic vibration motor tab and run the TF-51D profile ?

Second I launch your program, nothing indicate me that it is working, is it ok ?

Third I launch Il2 GB, no vibration at all on any planes.

 

What do I do wrong. Sorry for all the problems.

 

Thanks again for this little app. Just wish it will work

 

Have a good day.

[ZenIT_SWE]

On 5/17/2024 at 10:40 PM, Roover said:

Hi.

 

Just found your little app and it does not seem to work on my side. Must be my bad.

 

First I launch SimAppPro - do I have to go to the Dynamic vibration motor tab and run the TF-51D profile ?

Second I launch your program, nothing indicate me that it is working, is it ok ?

Third I launch Il2 GB, no vibration at all on any planes.

 

What do I do wrong. Sorry for all the problems.

 

Thanks again for this little app. Just wish it will work

 

Have a good day.

Sorry for the late reply! I've been checking in on the forum from time to time and thought that I would get notified if someone wrote something in this thread but apparently I don't so I've completely missed your post!

 

Does vibrations work in DCS or any other sim? Since I haven't played IL-2 for quite some time I haven't tried it with the latest versions of SimAppPro. If you get vibrations in other sims it could be that they've introduced some breaking changes in SimAppPro that I will have to deal with.

[Roover]

Thanks for the reply =NOSIG.

 

Yes, I've got no problem with DCS. I know that there were an update lately with their software and firmware, might be it.

 

Don't mind it just for me. I was just curious to try vibration with IL2.

 

Have a good day sir

 

[ZenIT_SWE]

3 hours ago, Roover said:

Thanks for the reply =NOSIG.

 

Yes, I've got no problem with DCS. I know that there were an update lately with their software and firmware, might be it.

 

Don't mind it just for me. I was just curious to try vibration with IL2.

 

Have a good day sir

 

I will definitely have a look, it's probably an easy fix (last famous words)

[102nd-YU-Duko]

Hi,

IL2:

I updated SimAppPro to 1.15.14 and Vibrations stopped working, before it was just perfect, I enjoyed it a lot. Here are the release notes.

1.15.14
1.Fix the issue where XPlane cannot activate vibration configurations.

2.Fix the issue where SimAppPro does not initialize the default vibration configuration on startup.

3.Fix the issue where SimApp activates multiple vibration configuration files due to network fluctuations.

 

Not sure if this was the case before in 1.15.13 but all 3 sets for the vibration in 1.15.14 have 3 options: off, default and set by user,  I tried all 3 without success.

 

Have a good day sir.

[ZenIT_SWE]

On 8/18/2024 at 12:45 PM, 102nd-YU-Duko said:

Hi,

IL2:

I updated SimAppPro to 1.15.14 and Vibrations stopped working, before it was just perfect, I enjoyed it a lot. Here are the release notes.

1.15.14
1.Fix the issue where XPlane cannot activate vibration configurations.

2.Fix the issue where SimAppPro does not initialize the default vibration configuration on startup.

3.Fix the issue where SimApp activates multiple vibration configuration files due to network fluctuations.

 

Not sure if this was the case before in 1.15.13 but all 3 sets for the vibration in 1.15.14 have 3 options: off, default and set by user,  I tried all 3 without success.

 

Have a good day sir.

Hi!

Sorry for not responding earlier. I will definitely have a look at this! Unfortunately WinWing has to my knowledge not published any documentation of the API so I have to sniff the network traffic in order to figure out how it's changed so I can't tell how long that's going to take but I will have a look tonight and hopefully it's an easy fix.

[ZenIT_SWE]

So I've finally managed to have a look at this and it's working as usual on my end. If you have an issue I would like to suggest checking the following:

1. In SimAppPro under Dynamic Vibration Motor, make sure that you have Default selected for your device(s)
2. Make sure that your startup.cfg contains the following lines (located in the data folder where you've installed IL-2):
   [KEY = telemetrydevice]
         addr = "127.0.0.1"
         decimation = 2
         enable = true
         port = 4322
   [END]
   
   alternatively:
   [KEY = telemetrydevice]
         addr = "127.0.0.1"
         addr1 = "127.0.0.1:4322"
         decimation = 2
         enable = true
         port = 29373
   [END]
3. Make sure that the "IL2TelemetryPort" setting in IL2WinWing.dll.config (located in the IL2WinWin installation folder) is 4322 or the same as in the startup.cfg

 

If it still doesn't work you can try and switch to Advanced and then back to Default for each device in SimAppPro.

 

Please let me know if this works or not.

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by =NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE

[ZenIT_SWE]

After some more testing it seems like WinWing have tuned the default response curves a bit, I do get vibrations when I fire the guns etc but it takes a very high AoA before I feel any vibrations. I will try and fix that.

[ZenIT_SWE]

v1.3 now available here: https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2WinWing/releases/tag/v1.3

[102nd-YU-Duko]

Hi,

In startup.cfg the whole [KEY = telemetrydevice] block was missing!  I added it and the vibrations are back: guns, wheels ... ! AoA not checked yet (will come back on that). Thanks! Strange, how could it work in the first place? Two weeks ago I installed winwing pedals, I see you don't have that in the system. That is the only thing changed on my side, not sure, maybe something to do with that? Test avove under these conditions: Your latest ILWinWing version v1.3 and SimAppPro 1.15.13 (winwing support sent me that version on my request).

I will test ILWinWing V1.3 with SimAppPro 1.15.14, and give you my feedback as well.

 

Thanks for the help =NOSIG!

[ZenIT_SWE]

20 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Duko said:

Hi,

In startup.cfg the whole [KEY = telemetrydevice] block was missing!  I added it and the vibrations are back: guns, wheels ... ! AoA not checked yet (will come back on that). Thanks! Strange, how could it work in the first place? Two weeks ago I installed winwing pedals, I see you don't have that in the system. That is the only thing changed on my side, not sure, maybe something to do with that? Test avove under these conditions: Your latest ILWinWing version v1.3 and SimAppPro 1.15.13 (winwing support sent me that version on my request).

I will test ILWinWing V1.3 with SimAppPro 1.15.14, and give you my feedback as well.

 

Thanks for the help =NOSIG!

Maybe the setup.cfg is overwritten when IL-2 is updated?

[102nd-YU-Duko]

Hi,

I am still on SimAppPro 1.15.13 and ILWinWing V1.3, it works fine so far, I am not going to update SimAppPro at this moment. I also added HF8 and SimShaker to my set, interesing thing that I found out is that IL2WinWing and Simshaker work together only if I start SimShaker first. Applications use different ports, not sure why is that, I have already reported this to Andre.

Another thing I noticed is that the SRS Combat box doesn't connect to IL2 when the game starts, IL2WinWing and SRS use the sampe port forwarding, any idea how to fix this?

[ZenIT_SWE]

1 hour ago, 102nd-YU-Duko said:

Hi,

I am still on SimAppPro 1.15.13 and ILWinWing V1.3, it works fine so far, I am not going to update SimAppPro at this moment. I also added HF8 and SimShaker to my set, interesing thing that I found out is that IL2WinWing and Simshaker work together only if I start SimShaker first. Applications use different ports, not sure why is that, I have already reported this to Andre.

Another thing I noticed is that the SRS Combat box doesn't connect to IL2 when the game starts, IL2WinWing and SRS use the sampe port forwarding, any idea how to fix this?

I don't unfortunately have SimShaker so I can't test that but I think I might have an idea why you have to start them in a particular order.

 

Regarding running SRS and IL2WinWing simultaneously I have made a fix that might resolve that issue from my end but I think it will require the same fix in SRS. It may work without it so I built a "beta version" that you can try. It may require you to start SRS first and then IL2WinWing. Please report back if it worked. This also include a potential fix for the SimShaker starting order.

 

IL2WinWing_v1.4-beta.zip

Edited September 27, 2024 by =NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE

[102nd-YU-Duko]

Hi Nosig,

srs + il2winwing:

If I start srs first and after that il2winwing: I can see in that il2winwing starts actually 2 times and after that it crashes.

If I start il2winwing first and after that srs no differences from the v1.3, il2 doesn't connect to srs.

 

il2winwings + SimShaker:

this works! I start il2winwing first, after that SimShaker and SimShaker works.

 

[ZenIT_SWE]

1 hour ago, 102nd-YU-Duko said:

Hi Nosig,

srs + il2winwing:

If I start srs first and after that il2winwing: I can see in that il2winwing starts actually 2 times and after that it crashes.

If I start il2winwing first and after that srs no differences from the v1.3, il2 doesn't connect to srs.

 

il2winwings + SimShaker:

this works! I start il2winwing first, after that SimShaker and SimShaker works.

 

Yes, I can confirm that for IL2WinWing to run in parallel with SRS the latter must implement the same fix as I did (basically allow other processes to use the same port). I checked out the code for SRS and patched it and it worked for me so for now I would recommend you to use the following SRS build: https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2-SimpleRadioStandalone/releases/tag/1.0.2.0-patched

[102nd-YU-Duko]

HI, 

I can't downlaod it, my system detects a virus in the zip file....hmm

I solved the problem by using another pc with another antivirus software. When I run installer I have an error message. Attached installer-log.txt. I am working on it.

installer-log.txt

Edited September 28, 2024 by 102nd-YU-Duko

[ZenIT_SWE]

16 minutes ago, 102nd-YU-Duko said:

HI, 

I can't downlaod it, my system detects a virus in the zip file....hmm

Ok, that's strange. I guess you'll have to wait and see if the guy that maintain the IL2 SRS will implement the patch in his code then. His most recent update was 9 month ago so I don't know how active he is though 🫤

[102nd-YU-Duko]

HI,

I can start IL2-SR-ClientRadio.exe first start il2winwing get a il-2 connection (server connection and voip connection only manually! no automatic start with the game) but I stay in the lobby, even I change the radio and channels, tower doesn't here me. I will need more time to test it...

[ZenIT_SWE]

3 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Duko said:

HI,

I can start IL2-SR-ClientRadio.exe first start il2winwing get a il-2 connection (server connection and voip connection only manually! no automatic start with the game) but I stay in the lobby, even I change the radio and channels, tower doesn't here me. I will need more time to test it...

I just built it and ran the installer to update my installed SRS. Then I started SRS and IL2WinWing (don't remember the order but that shouldn't matter now) and both applications connected to IL-2 and I was also able to connect to Combat Box.

[102nd-YU-Duko]

Hi,

is it a very new build or your SRS build from Friday, 1.0.2.0-patched?

Thanks,

Dusan

[ZenIT_SWE]

30 minutes ago, 102nd-YU-Duko said:

Hi,

is it a very new build or your SRS build from Friday, 1.0.2.0-patched?

Thanks,

Dusan

I removed the build since it clearly caused some issues with anti-virus. It has some old dependencies that contain vulnerabilities that I suspect might be the cause of that but upgrading all those libraries is a bit out of scope for me at this point.

[ZenIT_SWE]

I updated the dependencies containing vulnerabilities and created a new patched release: https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2-SimpleRadioStandalone/releases/tag/1.0.2.0-patched

Hopefully this will cause less of an issue with anti-virus. Other than the updated dependencies and my fix it's the exact same as the regular 1.0.2.0 release of IL2-SimpleRadioStandalone. If in doubt you can check the differences here: https://github.com/ciribob/IL2-SimpleRadioStandalone/compare/master...AndersHogqvist:IL2-SimpleRadioStandalone:master

[CaptainBiggles]

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE,

 

I've been really enjoying using the vibrator software in IL-2, so much so that I struggle to fly without it now xD

 

Not urgent, but I noticed that when I enter the gunner seat of an aircraft, the software stops working and I have to restart it. Not a huge issue for me as I don't fly bombers very often, but I just thought I'd let you know anyway!

 

Cheers

[ZenIT_SWE]

12 minutes ago, =DW=_CaptainBiggles said:

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE,

 

I've been really enjoying using the vibrator software in IL-2, so much so that I struggle to fly without it now xD

 

Not urgent, but I noticed that when I enter the gunner seat of an aircraft, the software stops working and I have to restart it. Not a huge issue for me as I don't fly bombers very often, but I just thought I'd let you know anyway!

 

Cheers

I'm glad you like it!

 

And thank you for reporting. I haven't thought of trying that since I never fly bombers but will have a look at it, I'm sure it can be fixed

[ZenIT_SWE]

On 10/1/2024 at 6:01 PM, =DW=_CaptainBiggles said:

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE,

 

I've been really enjoying using the vibrator software in IL-2, so much so that I struggle to fly without it now xD

 

Not urgent, but I noticed that when I enter the gunner seat of an aircraft, the software stops working and I have to restart it. Not a huge issue for me as I don't fly bombers very often, but I just thought I'd let you know anyway!

 

Cheers

This bug should be fixed now. Please download version 1.4 here: https://github.com/AndersHogqvist/IL2WinWing/releases/tag/v1.4

[ZenIT_SWE]

Unfortunately it doesn't work when you choose a gunner station or similar, I tried it and the telemetry data from IL-2 doesn't contain any information. But at least the app doesn't crash 🙂

[CaptainBiggles]

Hi @=NOSIG=ZenIT_SWE, apologies for taking so long to reply. I have just seen that there is a new version of the app, will download and try it. Thanks!

Regards, Biggles

[SKIMITAR]

I see in the debugger that it is getting data from IL2 but the vibrations dont work. I think something is not going right in SimAppPro. Is it required to also have DCS installed?