Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

6 hours ago, blitze said:

That and the updating of landscape lighting and sky in the new title.  I think that will make a huge improvement (lighting) for VR users.  At the moment it is quite tricky to keep track of transports one's escorting and ground pounders.  Within a few km these puppies should be easier to keep tabs on.

 

Maybe a 25 release with some tasty new GPUs to match.

 

More multi threading of the game engine would be appreciated too.  Normandy Beach Patrols hit me hard yet the CPU ain't doing much but all that crunching is being done on limited threads. 

THIS

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, deathmisser said:

I would imagine the first module will be mainly props if there is enough interest then they may go for the second one.    

 

Something like this 

 

USSR/NK

La-7
Il-10
Tu-2

 

Collectors 

Yak-9P

 

US/SK
F4U
A-1
B-26

 

Collectors 
F-51K

 

 

Just look at you... all over this Korea thing eh?

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

7 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Air war is always more romantic then grunts slogging it out in the mud or snow.(unless you happen to be in a bomber that is) Korea saw jet duels that has the same feeling as Spitfires and Messerschmitts over England 1940. 

 

I'm not sure I agree with or believe this. I am an American who has loved WW2 history since being a little boy. I know many others like me, albeit typically much older. I don't know anyone who knows much about the Korean War, F-86/Mig-15 duels, etc. The Battle of Britain--in the West at least--is still perceived as a world-historical event that "saved the world" by curtailing German conquest. True or not, this is a common cultural perception and inspires many to invest in games like IL-2, CLoD, etc. Korea is not called a forgotten war for nothing...I can't even name one battle and I've studied WWII (and some WWI) air combat as a hobby my whole life. The stakes were just so much lower in Korea which makes it seems so much less important. In fact, the conflict is still unresolved.

 

That being said, it may end up being a blast in VR, but the RPG element will have us all feeling more like mercenaries than airmen. So I don't know if I would call that "romantic" in any way. Berlin is more romantic than Korea IMO.

[Trooper117]

If you were there at the time you would have known it was all about stopping the advancement of communism... seen by many nations of the world as a major threat.

[BraveSirRobin]

31 minutes ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

The only comment that doesn't fit with Korea IMO is calling it a "romantic setting." 

That was probably a translation issue.

31 minutes ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

Edited December 31, 2023 by BraveSirRobin

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

1 minute ago, BraveSirRobin said:

That was probably a translation issue.

Perhaps.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I look forward to the last stand of the prop fighters.  My history in this IP forces me to be on the side of reciprocating power plants.  When the first Me 262s came out in old IL2 I promptly shot down the first one I encountered, whilst piloting a Brewster.  So give me a super Corsair, or an F82 or Sea Fury and let the rage flow.

 

☠️

 

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Edited December 31, 2023 by BlitzPig_EL

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

7 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

If you were there at the time you would have known it was all about stopping the advancement of communism... seen by many nations of the world as a major threat.

Again, I understand the rationale behind the war, but the war itself just feels very different from WWII.

[DD_Arthur]

22 minutes ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

The only comment that doesn't fit with Korea IMO is calling it a "romantic setting." It is anything but, no? To me, romantic scenery screams Italy/Sicily/Greece, but that doesn't match the screenshots. Maybe these are purposeful subterfuge.

Yes

Try to look at this project through Russian eyes.

 

Soviet aviation rotated thousands of pilots and ground crew through the Korean theatre over three years.

They were based north of the Yalu in Chinese territory and operated over the North Korean highlands; a sparsely populated area of green mountains, deep valleys and high plateau.

 

In Russia, the view directly westwards from the Ural Mountains is nearly a thousand miles of flat forest and marsh bisected by big rivers.

 

Manchuria has a certain kind of beauty.

 

[Gunfreak]

26 minutes ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

I'm not sure I agree with or believe this. I am an American who has loved WW2 history since being a little boy. I know many others like me, albeit typically much older. I don't know anyone who knows much about the Korean War, F-86/Mig-15 duels, etc. The Battle of Britain--in the West at least--is still perceived as a world-historical event that "saved the world" by curtailing German conquest. True or not, this is a common cultural perception and inspires many to invest in games like IL-2, CLoD, etc. Korea is not called a forgotten war for nothing...I can't even name one battle and I've studied WWII (and some WWI) air combat as a hobby my whole life. The stakes were just so much lower in Korea which makes it seems so much less important. In fact, the conflict is still unresolved.

 

That being said, it may end up being a blast in VR, but the RPG element will have us all feeling more like mercenaries than airmen. So I don't know if I would call that "romantic" in any way. Berlin is more romantic than Korea IMO.

I said nothing about the notoriety.

I said it had the same feel. Two very evenly matched aircraft, dueling it out. 

Last time two even aircraft dueled in the sky and last time they dueled mainly with guns. 

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

3 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

It's not harsh at all.  That is how they survive.  And as long as they survive it's a good business plan.

“Designed to force” is a little harsh. If developing and selling a rounded product is ‘forcing’ then you might want to check your terminology. I do not agree with a lot of their approach, but your verbiage is quite the pejorative and - perforce - suggests an exception to other business practices.

 

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

It’s going to be a great module.

Some guys will be happy just with MiG vs Sabre all day (and who can blame them) while others will explore other jets or props. 
 

I personally wouldn’t ignore the Corsair or La-11 even though my primary love is that F-86 and even more so the MiG. 

I cheerfully disagree: the more interesting parts are everything beyond those 2.

[BraveSirRobin]

36 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

“Designed to force” is a little harsh. If developing and selling a rounded product is ‘forcing’ then you might want to check your terminology. I do not agree with a lot of their approach, but your terminology is quite the pejorative and - perforce - suggests an exceptional to other business practices.

Except that is exactly what they’re doing.  Except for the collector aircraft you are forced to buy aircraft that you might not want in order to get aircraft that you do want.  I have absolutely no problem with that.  It’s how they can sell so many aircraft at a relatively cheap price. 

 

And the only reason I brought this up is because someone suggested that they should separate props from jets for Korea.  That absolutely is not going to happen.  They need people to buy both.  There is absolutely nothing pejorative about that.  It’s how they stay in business.

[TheSNAFU]

Maybe it’s primarily a B29 sim in which the B29 is tasked with carrying and dropping an Abomb. If it is shot down the Japanese will get some points thing (more planes we can buy) an if it makes it to the target and drops the bomb it is game over! Obviously tongue in cheek. Im tiring of the guess what we’re making. 

Edited January 1, 2024 by TheSNAFU

[Gambit21]

37 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

“Designed to force” is a little harsh. If developing and selling a rounded product is ‘forcing’ then you might want to check your terminology. I do not agree with a lot of their approach, but your verbiage is quite the pejorative and - perforce - suggests an exception to other business practices.

I cheerfully disagree: the more interesting parts are everything beyond those 2.

 

Yeah I'm sure if well modeled, the rest of the aircraft will be fun to explore...F-84, F-80 etc. and like I said I'd definitely look into the La-11 and even the Yak-9p.

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, TheSNAFU said:

Maybe it’s primarily a B29 sim in which the B29 is tasked with carrying and dropping an Abomb. If it is shot down the Japanese will get some points thing, if it makes it to tarvtand drops the bomb it is game over! Obviously tongue in cheek. Im tiring of the guess what we’re making. 

The only people still guessing are the ones who didn’t bother to watch the video.  It’s Korea.

[deathmisser]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Just look at you... all over this Korea thing eh?

M8 the whole thing about being a human is to learn and adapted the important thing is not to be an a*s about it : D . And right now I'm learning if Korea is compatible with GB then I can let it slide if not then yea. 

 

Edited January 1, 2024 by deathmisser

[Gambit21]

2 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

M8 the whole thing about being a human is to learn and adapted the important thing is not to be an a*s about it : D . And right now I'm learning if Korea is compatible with GB then I can let it slide if not then yea. 

 

 

A few "I'm gone if it's Korea!" types aside, it has wide appeal and variety (read marketability)...that's a big reason why they chose it I think. That and the opportunity to finally model a very cool, early Cold War Russian jet.

 

[Lusekofte]

Happy new year everybody. 
I’m signing out, nothing more to see here. 
And the discussion now is wether you say tomato or that other tomato. 

[deathmisser]

7 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

A few "I'm gone if it's Korea!" types aside, it has wide appeal and variety (read marketability)...that's a big reason why they chose it I think. That and the opportunity to finally model a very cool, early Cold War Russian jet.

 

Ngl it will be the new weather effects that will sell it for me can't wait to see that new lighting model, 

 

I wonder how evenings will work as some here in Britain we have a wide range of colours 

[LukeFF]

Guys, once again, let's please stay on topic and discuss the video, instead of making veiled references to current-day political issues or sarcastic replies to someone's post. 

[DD_Arthur]

3 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Happy new year everybody. 
I’m signing out, nothing more to see here. 
And the discussion now is wether you say tomato or that other tomato. 

You say B29, I say Tu4?

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, TheSNAFU said:

I know it’s Korea genius. But thanks for enlightening me. I said I was being tongue in cheek. If you don’t know what that means look it up. I meant I am tiring of guessing the meat of what they’re doing. There is presumably a detailed plan and they don’t choose to share much of it which is their right but not everyone has to like it. Apparently you do. 

I’m sorry, I thought when you said “Im tiring of the guess what we’re making”, you meant that “Im tiring of the guess what we’re making”.  My mistake.

[TheSNAFU]

2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

I’m sorry, I thought when you said “Im tiring of the guess what we’re making”, you meant that “Im tiring of the guess what we’re making”.  My mistake.

Yes your mistake. 

[CzechTexan]

Why make a B-29 before we get a B-17?  Don't make sense to me.

Maybe they're just teasing with B-29 pics to get y'all to follow down the Korea rabbit hole ?  Meanwhile, they're really working on a B-17!

haha!  HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Edited January 1, 2024 by CzechTexan

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Curious if carriers will be a part of next game for 1st release. 

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

If it's Korea, fine. I'll buy it. If they're bringing the Skyraider, I'll be ecstatic! I don't see how we can have a Corsair or Skyraider without a carrier. 

 

Another interesting thought....helicopters?

 

Surely they will be modeling new ground assets as well. 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

9 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Curious if carriers will be a part of next game for 1st release. 

My guess would be probably not

Korea without helicopters would be like M*A*S*H without Alan Alda.

[MAJ_stug41]

They already stated there will not be carriers in the "new project", so if it is korea, it will be exceptionally disappointing.

[Guest deleted@83466]

17 minutes ago, MAJ_stug41 said:

They already stated there will not be carriers in the "new project", so if it is korea, it will be exceptionally disappointing.

 

Well, not necessarily.  Some peer-pressure guys in DCS got me to buy the MiG-15, and one of the first times I took it online (used the provided auto-start key press to get it started), I shot down a human-flown Sabre, on some online server  Those WW 2 skills will translate directly to Sabres and MiGs.  I think if you like air to air guns-only combat in IL-2 you might very well like it with early jets.  You just need to open up your mind to new things.

[AWC]

17 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I am not moaning about Korea. I think it is a neutral choice. 
Not spectacular, and not a huge money collector as some say. To me it seems like another bodenplatte map, with planes of interest get to be ai. And fast food for the masses. But time will tell. 
I really hoped for a New Guinea or Burma. 
This has no interest for me what so ever, but I do not understand the hostile attitude against it. 
Just do like me , completely ignore it and watch it once in a while in case it actually got something that will bring interest. 
For me there is other stuff to do 

ww2 seems to have a great future  even when GB leave it 

 

What is this model of the Lancaster? Is it related to IL-2 Great Battles?

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, =EXPEND=CG_Justin said:

If it's Korea, fine. I'll buy it. If they're bringing the Skyraider, I'll be ecstatic! I don't see how we can have a Corsair or Skyraider without a carrier.

 

[Jaegermeister]

2 hours ago, =EXPEND=CG_Justin said:

I don't see how we can have a Corsair or Skyraider without a carrier. 

 

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, Soto_Cinematics said:

 

What is this model of the Lancaster? Is it related to IL-2 Great Battles?

 

Cliffs of Dover I believe.

[Rjel]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

While I don’t think the series age very well, apparently a good number of posters here never watched Baa Baa Blacksheep. 

[migmadmarine]

 

 

 

Can be some very fun skinning for Korea

 

Edited January 1, 2024 by migmadmarine

[JG27*PapaFly]

I'd love Korea. There's so much great stuff we PvP folks can look forward to.

- Great landscape

- Carrier ops

- Skyraider vs IL-10 battles

- A boatload of interesting planes that I like and never had the chance to fly: F-86, MIG-15, Bearcat, F9F, Tigercat, B-26 Invader, Skyraider, F-80

- Flying early, underpowered jets would be a nice challenge.

Edited January 1, 2024 by JG27*PapaFly

[Koziolek]

5 hours ago, MAJ_stug41 said:

They already stated there will not be carriers in the "new project", so if it is korea, it will be exceptionally disappointing.

I would say, Midway without carriers would be more disappointing ?

[ITAF_Artiglio]

So I deduce that between the maps of Karelia and Odessa, the developers also thought about developing the type of aircraft such as the Fiat G.50, Macchi M.C.200, MS-406_Mörkö-Morane, Gladiator etc... etc... etc...?

 

And anyway: Happy New Year everyone.

[=_=HeavenAndClouds]

I would buy a Korea module even if it only has a MiG15 and F86 alone and perhaps B29. 

[CountZero]

9 minutes ago, ITAF_Artiglio said:

So I deduce that between the maps of Karelia and Odessa, the developers also thought about developing the type of aircraft such as the Fiat G.50, Macchi M.C.200, MS-406_Mörkö-Morane, Gladiator etc... etc... etc...?

 

And anyway: Happy New Year everyone.

Probably they did think about it, and then they decided to make airplanes like Ta-152, La-7 and Yak-3, for whome we dont have maps but more ppl will buy ?

At this point in GB i think youll have to count on some 3rd party to make less apealing airplanes, iar80 and i153 would not be made if devs had to do it. Their focus will be on sure things, and new game probably.

 

7 hours ago, CzechTexan said:

Why make a B-29 before we get a B-17?  Don't make sense to me.

Maybe they're just teasing with B-29 pics to get y'all to follow down the Korea rabbit hole ?  Meanwhile, they're really working on a B-17!

haha!  HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Like that leaked picture of La-5F was just some tests and not next collector airplane