Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[Gambit21]

Some of you are cracking me up.

B-29 saw service in Korea.

[Koziolek]

5 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Did they also say they couldn't do 4 engine'ed bombers ? 

 

and boom a B-29. I guess this new engine has allowed them to do things they couldn't do before.  

As I remember it wasn't that they could not, it was a question of economics. And this B29 might be AI only

Edited December 30, 2023 by Koziolek

[Avimimus]

  

5 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Did they also say they couldn't do 4 engine'ed bombers ? 

 

and boom a B-29. I guess this new engine has allowed them to do things they couldn't do before.  

 

The benefits of them going away for a year without spending time giving us lots of updates ? Looks like they were working hard afterall...

 

P.S. We actually got a lot of development diaries / updates... maybe not as often as in previous years, but still a lot compared to many other companies.  

 

1 minute ago, Koziolek said:

As I remember it wasn't that the could not, it was a question of economics. And this B29 might be AI only

 

True. But they are also talking about larger formations (although I wonder if that'll come with larger system requirements)? I do suspect some optimisation has been going on though.

[deathmisser]

Anyone fount this area yet lol

[DragonDaddy]

2 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Some of you are cracking me up.

B-29 saw service in Korea.

Dropped 160,000 tons of bombs over 1000+ days

[Jade_Monkey]

Glad to hear a bit more of what's coming, sounds promising.

 

Some notes from the second half of the video for those who cannot listen yet:

 

Maps

• Karelia – Phase 1 on Spring 2024 (without Leningrad, phase 2)
  • New building objects
  • With Quick missions
  • Potentially career
• Odessa – End of 2024
• New project – TBD

Planes:

• Ta 152 H1 (high alt)
  • With Nitrogen Oxide
• La-7
• Yak-3
• Ju 87 D5
• I 153 Chaika 

Technologies:

• New interface API
• New (upgraded) audio API (FMOD)
  • New radio comms and sounds 
• Graphics:
  • PBR
  • Ray tracing for ambient lighting
• Damage model enhanced with internal parts (engine and control systems, power system, airframe load bearing elements, and different sections of the airframe)
• Enhanced ground unit damage model and VFX
• More detailed 3d models
• Uneven airfield surfaces
• Night illumination for airfields and towns
• New Foliage tech from scratch
• Improved transportation routes (roads and railroads) + working tunnels
• "Making the Single mode air flights much more massive" - (larger scale SP missions with more units?)
   

Edited December 30, 2023 by Jade_Monkey

[Koziolek]

4 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

  

 I wonder if that'll come with larger system requirements)? 

Every new game comes with larger system requirements ?

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

I'm happy for anything that doesn't include Germany to add more variety. Thanks for the damage model info, more systems to damage for real and adding more depth will help with the weirdness in the damage model and make it more fun and realistic.

[Avimimus]

5 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

• Ju 87 D4 (torpedo)

 

99% sure that should read:

 

Ju-87D5 (no torpedo)

 

The Ju-87D5 should give it 20mm cannons and possibly some modifications for night bombing. The one in Il-2 1946 had a bombing computer (giving CCIP like in the Me-410), but I believe they weren't equipped operationally? Our Ju-88A4 could be realistically upgraded to have such a dive-bombing sight, but not the Ju-87 if I recall correctly.

 

Btw. I believe the Ju-87D5 is also usable Prokhorovka/Kursk map - but only for the last couple of months.

[Trooper117]

20 minutes ago, tattywelshie said:

Well, the tank is an IS-1 isn’t it? That didn’t see action in Korea did it?

 

A small number where used by the North Koreans, not sure whether they saw much action though... and the tank is an IS-2.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Trooper117

[Koziolek]

4 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

A small number where used by the North Koreans, not sure whether they saw much action though... 

probably a bit more than IL-10 over Japan ?

[Jaegermeister]

33 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

"Small number of IS-2s; unknown number deployed in combat in the Korean War. Remains both active and reserve within the KPA."

 

It's not a big mystery really. They just didn't show screenshots of any jets...

 

Spoiler

B-29, F4U-4, Yak 9, IL10, IS2 tank, M2 American pontoon bridges all of that supports the same theory

 

 

 

 

Perhaps 100 or less (exact numbers are evasive) were also sent to the Chinese in 1950. It is not known how many took part in the great North Korean counter-offensive in the summer of 1951. Several were also sent to the North-Vietnamese fighting the French colonial forces. In Korea, according to U.S. data actions, the fighting involved four separate tank regiment manned by Chinese volunteers, each of which had three companies of T-34/85s and one of IS-2s.

 

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_is-ii.php

 

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Jaegermeister

[sevenless]

30 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

  

 

I wonder if they could add two more 1944 aircraft and make it a 'half module'? Might increase sales if we have to buy all of them to get one? It'd be nice if they found a way to fund another twin-engined aircraft for that period (A-20G? Tu-2? Ju-188?)... that is what I'm thinking.

 

 

Well, my estimate is they are still 3 years away from a release date for the "next game", so they will fill up all sorts of 1941 and 1944 gaps for Karelia and Odessa career mode with collector planes. There are plenty of possibilities.

[Jade_Monkey]

14 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

99% sure that should read:

 

Ju-87D5 (no torpedo)

 

The Ju-87D5 should give it 20mm cannons and possibly some modifications for night bombing. The one in Il-2 1946 had a bombing computer (giving CCIP like in the Me-410), but I believe they weren't equipped operationally? Our Ju-88A4 could be realistically upgraded to have such a dive-bombing sight, but not the Ju-87 if I recall correctly.

 

Btw. I believe the Ju-87D5 is also usable Prokhorovka/Kursk map - but only for the last couple of months.

 

 

Yeah my bad, updated 

[Avimimus]

1 minute ago, sevenless said:

Well, my estimate is they are still 3 years away from a release date for the "next game", so they will fill up all sorts of 1941 and 1944 gaps for Karelia and Odessa career mode with collector planes. There are plenty of possibilities.

 

Yes, it is just that twin engined aircraft tend to cost more to develop... so the patter of combining maps/objects/fighters/twin-engined into one package is a way of reducing risk and covering the costs of some elements that could be less profitable (e.g. twin-engined) or will be given away (e.g. AI objects)... to provide a better experience overall.

  

Just now, Jade_Monkey said:

Yeah my bad, updated 

 

I just don't want myself (or anyone else) getting too excited over torpedoes (when we have no evidence of them).

[Trooper117]

No mention of FC4... 

[RoteDreizehn]

• Ta 152 H1 (high alt)
  • With Nitrogen Oxide

Would be nice to have the Ta152 C3 (DB 603L/LA) too... Dont understand why they wont do... 

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by RoteDreizehn

[Picchio]

58 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

I'm not sure. Does anyone know more about rendering pipelines? Isn't it possible to have an engine that can run non-PBR textures alongside PBR textures?

 

Sure: they will simply look like ? Which can happen when older assets get recycled without being properly updated. Examples? Three letters ?

 

38 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Ray tracing for ambient lighting

 

What was said was "ambient lighting model that uses ray-tracing principles", which isn't quite the same thing. It's a bit like when the sky was updated "for a more physically-based appearance". I'm no expert and please correct me if I'm wrong but phrased like that it doesn't really mean anything.

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Picchio

[Avimimus]

4 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

No mention of FC4... 

 

No. Last year, they announced that the remaining land based aircraft from Rise of Flight would be released (it seems to me as individual Collector Planes...)

 

No word on the seaplanes/floatplanes and Channel Map. There are definitely enough interesting WWI aircraft to do an FC4 with the Channel Map... so they could return to it in the future if they wanted to... but there are no plans announced.

 

I am hoping that we'll get a couple of 1916 two-seaters (i.e. ones slow enough for the E.III, Halberstadt D.II, N.11, and D.H.2 to catch) as Collector Planes... but that is just my personal hope... nothing to suggest it is likely.

[sevenless]

35 minutes ago, RoteDreizehn said:

• Ta 152 H1 (high alt)
  • With Nitrogen Oxide

Would be nice to have the Ta152 C3 (DB 603L/LA) too... Dont understand why they wont do... 

 

 

Because it (the C) never went beyond the prototype stage? H0 and H1 in contrast were used operationally by JG 301 from Alteno, Sachau and Neustadt/Glewe.

Edited December 30, 2023 by sevenless

[Avimimus]

2 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Because it (the C) never went beyond the prototype stage? H0 and H1 in contrast were used operationally by JG 301 from Alteno and Neustadt/Glewe.

 

Hey! Neither of those are on the Reinland map! Aren't the He-162 operational units even closer?

[ACG_Bussard]

Well, does today's presentation sound like a new engine, which is incompatible with the previous content, or like an engine update, which is compatible with (most of) the previous content?

 

I'm not sure about this question. The screenshots shown look more like the current engine with upgrades.

[migmadmarine]

6 minutes ago, Picchio said:

 

What was said was "ambient lighting model that uses ray-tracing principles", which isn't quite the same thing. It's a bit like when the sky was updated "for a more physically-based appearance". I'm no expert and please correct me if I'm wrong but phrased like that it doesn't really mean anything.

There was a fair bit of slightly clunky translation in there, so I think we should be cautious reading deep into phrasing. 

[sevenless]

17 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Hey! Neither of those are on the Reinland map! Aren't the He-162 operational units even closer?

 

Nope, even further north. JG 1 flew from airfields north of the river Elbe north of Hamburg. Furthermore JG 1 flew the He-162 operationally starting in 04/45 for only four weeks until VE-day. JG 301 in contrast flew the Ta-152 H0/H1 from 02/45. IIRC first plane documented to be lost 01/02/45 was WnNr. 150 037, Uffz Hermann Dürr.

[deathmisser]

20 minutes ago, Bussard* said:

Well, does today's presentation sound like a new engine, which is incompatible with the previous content, or like an engine update, which is compatible with (most of) the previous content?

 

I'm not sure about this question. The screenshots shown look more like the current engine with upgrades.

The way I understood it, it's just a major engine overall allowing more detailed things  

[Art-J]

If there are still doubts whether it could also be August '45 in Manchuria that's coming up (after all, dash-4 Corsair and Superfortress could barely kind-of fit such scenario IF parts of mainland Japan were implemented, not to mention both Il-10 and IS-2 fit it as well), I think that Yak-9 settles Korea for good. If that transparent section behind the canopy indicates a window (like the canopy and windscreen do), then that's a -P variant we're looking at, which is post-1946 airplane.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Art-J

[LukeFF]

I am shocked no one has posted an IS-2 meme yet. ?

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, deathmisser said:

Anyone fount this area yet lol

 

Could well be a shot from the Karelia map.

 

[Jade_Monkey]

Im assuming the Yak 3 and La7 are just collector planes and not part of the new project?

 

Based on the wording, it seems like the new project will indeed be a separate game that will leave behind the current GB generation and start anew with less baggage although inheriting many technologies and knowledge.

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Im assuming the Yak 3 and La7 are just collector planes and not part of the new project?

 

yep

 

[BraveSirRobin]

17 minutes ago, Art-J said:

If there are still doubts whether it could also be August '45 in Manchuria that's coming up (after all, dash-4 Corsair and Superfortress could barely kind-of fit such scenario IF parts of mainland Japan were implemented, not to mention both Il-10 and IS-2 fit it as well), I think that Yak-9 settles Korea for good. If that transparent section behind the canopy indicates a window (like the canopy and windscreen do), then that's a -P variant we're looking at, which is post-1946 airplane.

Pretty sure there are no doubts.  There is absolutely no chance that they’d put the work necessary for a B-29 and then put it into a Manchuria module.  They would be mocked mercilessly.

[Gambit21]

21 minutes ago, Art-J said:

If there are still doubts whether it could also be August '45 in Manchuria that's coming up (after all, dash-4 Corsair and Superfortress could barely kind-of fit such scenario IF parts of mainland Japan were implemented, not to mention both Il-10 and IS-2 fit it as well), I think that Yak-9 settles Korea for good. If that transparent section behind the canopy indicates a window (like the canopy and windscreen do), then that's a -P variant we're looking at, which is post-1946 airplane.

Like I said - Korea

 

 

[Koziolek]

3 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Like I said - Korea

 

 

Oh, yes. Probably more times that there were Koreans then. On both sides ?

[deathmisser]

13 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Based on the wording, it seems like the new project will indeed be a separate game that will leave behind the current GB generation and start anew with less baggage although inheriting many technologies and knowledge.

Why do people still believe there is a new game coming out ? 

 

I still think it's part of the original game  

[Lusekofte]

This means Korea. That is it for me, cheers ?

[Koziolek]

11 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Why do people still believe there is a new game coming out ? 

 

I still think it's part of the original game  

Probably because when they were telling about new Karelia and Odessa maps the were saying Great Battles and about Korea it was "a new project" and I don't think there was GB words used. But maybe it will be clearer after the second part of the video

Edited December 31, 2023 by Koziolek

[BlitzPig_EL]

Korea it is.

 

Cool.

[Guest deleted@83466]

If Korea, and if I decide to invest in the new thing, I can only pity the rest of you multiplayer people.  I’ve been flying what I think is the definitive Sabre simulation for years.  I’m a virtual jet fighter.  Online, I am going to kick your ass from here to kingdom come.  It won’t even be funny.

 

????

 

 

[deathmisser]

5 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

Probably because when they were telling about new Karelia and Odessa maps the were saying Great Battles and about Korea it was "a new project" and I don't think there was GB words used

Mhm I just hope it's not a totally new game, I mean if they have the guys working on that and GB then that is ok.

If they are compatible then I won't be worried.  Just that if this new thing not only take way the work from GB but the death of it. Then I will be pi**ed. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by deathmisser

[Koziolek]

1 minute ago, SeaSerpent said:

If Korea, and if I decide to invest in the new thing, I can only pity the rest of you multiplayer people.  I’ve been flying what I think is the definitive Sabre simulation for years.  I’m a virtual jet fighter.  Online, I am going to kick your ass from here to kingdom come.  It won’t even be funny.

 

????

 

 

We still have years to train