Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[BraveSirRobin]

4 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Some sort of radar bombing must be implemented 

Not really.  It’s AI.  They’ll magically drop it on the target.

[Trooper117]

We have seen a B-29 so if that is in the mix, it's got to be AI in my view, so, daytime bombing as we all know initially, that means the F-80c will be in there as well as they were tasked to protect them, and it was the Shooting Star that shot down the first MiG-15 in the worlds first jet versus jet combat. They accounted for 17 aircraft kills, 3 of them being MiGs.  

[BraveSirRobin]

30 minutes ago, sevenless said:

If I read that correctly, B-29 operations in Korea was switched exclusively to night time bombing after the loss of 28 bombers at daytime. Interested to see how they will model that in the new module.

I think you’ll see that the B 29 bombardiers, pilots, and navigators will have remarkable night vision.  Oddly the gunners won’t be able to see attacking fighters under any light conditions until it is too late.

[LuftManu]

5 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

We have seen a B-29 so if that is in the mix, it's got to be AI in my view, so, daytime bombing as we all know initially, that means the F-80c will be in there as well as they were tasked to protect them, and it was the Shooting Star that shot down the first MiG-15 in the worlds first jet versus jet combat. They accounted for 17 aircraft kills, 3 of them being MiGs.  

Another really cool aircraft I would love to see

 

 

[sevenless]

2 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

We have seen a B-29 so if that is in the mix, it's got to be AI in my view, so, daytime bombing as we all know initially, that means the F-80c will be in there as well as they were tasked to protect them, and it was the Shooting Star that shot down the first MiG-15 in the worlds first jet versus jet combat. They accounted for 17 aircraft kills, 3 of them being MiGs.  

 

The B-29s flew in Wing formations back then? 3 times 15 planes. Right? Or did the squadrons flew alone? Would be interesting to see whether the new title can manage 45 bombers + 30 escort + X attackers. In GB, as we all know, time dilation will kick in with such a setting.

[Trooper117]

At the end of the day we will be playing a game... if they can't show a whole Wing of B-29's it won't be the end of the world... I'm thankful that they have included them to be honest, but then again, there wasn't anything they could put in as a stand in, lol!

 

[CountZero]

52 minutes ago, sevenless said:

If I read that correctly, B-29 operations in Korea was switched exclusively to night time bombing after the loss of 28 bombers at daytime. Interested to see how they will model that in the new module.

That happend after almost a year of MiG-15s attacking day raids, so i dont expect exlusive night time B-29s.  

[Lusekofte]

44 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Not really.  It’s AI.  They’ll magically drop it on the target.

Well you are right, I would say going for Korea make me hope for some sort of radar implementation  A mod in 'DCS A4 have this. And I bet it is more complicated than it seems. But it is a very simple bombing radar and easy to use

Edited January 5, 2024 by Lusekofte

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, danielprates said:

 

Insofar we're guessing about those jets, any jets, right? I mean we've only seen prop planes which "must" mean Korea. Unless there's some other source I am missing. Dont get me wrong I "assume" any Korea sim worthy of the name will likely include the essential jets of the age but, tbh, this threas has whole pages mentioning the jets we are 'sure' to be getting, maybe it is healthy to do a reality check here.

its obvious they dont wont to make it clear what they are planing, so even now you have ppl thinking they are doing Late war east front or late war japan from what was shown. If they showed any part of any jet from Korea they could not pretend to tease new teater like they can now.

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, Lusekofte said:

Well you are right, I would say going for Korea make me hope for some sort of radar implementation 

 For AI?  It makes no sense to simulate a complex radar bombing system that no one who plays the game is going to use.  

[MajorMagee]

1 minute ago, CountZero said:

That happened after almost a year of MiG-15s attacking day raids, so i don't expect exclusive night time B-29s.  

But wouldn't this be fun?

 

 

 

 

(I know they just barely missed still being in service for the Korean War)

[Lusekofte]

Just now, BraveSirRobin said:

 For AI?  It makes no sense to simulate a complex radar bombing system that no one who plays the game is going to use.  

Well I think late korea will make a call for it. A 26 did night missions, but I have no idea if they got ground radar

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, Lusekofte said:

Well I think late korea will make a call for it. A 26 did night missions, but I have no idea if they got ground radar

Assuming we get flyable A-26.

[sevenless]

32 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

At the end of the day we will be playing a game... if they can't show a whole Wing of B-29's it won't be the end of the world... I'm thankful that they have included them to be honest, but then again, there wasn't anything they could put in as a stand in, lol!

 

 

Ok, seems like until Black Thursday (end of day raids in 04/1951) it seems like most raids were done in wing size, largest one was two wing size (70 planes 08/11/1950) and quite some in one-squadron or two-squadron size. So lets see what they can come up with.

 

https://nuclearcompanion.com/data/b-29-superfortress-chronology-korean-war/

[Guest deleted@83466]

If there are nighttime operations, the radars that are important are the GCI radars to vector the MiGs, (in MP probably want a dedicated player controller slot like dcs) and the airborne ones in nightfighters like the Skyknight, which did a lot of escort of the Superfortresses at night.  Skyknights even hunted Po-2s which only operated at night.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by SeaSerpent

[Freycinet]

Quite chuffed about Korea. Glorious planes in that theatre. Also good expansion possibilities if they focus on the early days first.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

The real reason I'm a bit sad about them abandoning the GB engine for Korea, which seems highly probable, is that it could possibly be a decade or more before we have another WW2 VR flight sim with tons of planes and theaters with a large community. If the new game is incompatible with the existing game, that is exactly what will happen as the community will be split between WW2-holdouts and early adopters. There will be years where both games will have unpopulated servers, just like there was around 2013-2016 when you had IL-2 1946, CLoD, and Stalingrad/Moscow. It seems like a great time to plan a 3-5 year hiatus from sims, but the passion is just too strong. ?

Edited January 6, 2024 by =DW=_drewm3i-VR

[Guest deleted@83466]

Well, don’t be so sad.  You know, there are other things to do in life besides flight simulators and video games.

[deathmisser]

39 minutes ago, =DW=_drewm3i-VR said:

The real reason I'm a bit sad about them abandoning the GB engine for Korea,

I'm keep seeing these types of comments,

 

But what about that P-51 that we seen demonstration the lighting effects on the runway ? 

 

Plus that early Yak too they were in the "next title" bit. 

These looks like the planes we have already. 

Spoiler

 

[Gambit21]

4 hours ago, CountZero said:

 even now you have ppl thinking they are doing Late war east front or late war japan from what was shown. If they showed any part of any jet from Korea they could not pretend to tease new teater like they can now.

 

Yep. They count on the "oh, it must be battle of Endor" peeps.

[deathmisser]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Yep. They count on the "oh, it must be battle of Endor" peeps.

Me dreaming for a Battle of Football module lol. 

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

12 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

Me dreaming for a Battle of Football module lol. 

Like the Football War ? ( Honduras vs El Salvador 1969 ) ?

[deathmisser]

2 minutes ago, GOA_Karaya_VR said:

Like the Football War ? ( Honduras vs El Salvador 1969 ) ?

Yea that one hehe 

[Rjel]

54 minutes ago, GOA_Karaya_VR said:

Like the Football War ? ( Honduras vs El Salvador 1969 ) ?

Those Corsairs are too stubby looking. No Hog Nose there and the wingspan looks too short.

[HAWKEYES007]

I hope POT also expect to landing on the Enterprise~~

[Guest deleted@83466]

What do you have, maybe 50 knots relative speed when you’re landing on that thing?  Carriers are no big deal, but they can quickly become a pain in the neck in multiplayer.  Hoping that if they get carriers, the AI opponents are second to none, so it can be played convincingly offline.  Edit: yes they are a big deal, but I think carrier ops are complicated, and they might not lend themselves to the survey sim genre these days, if we are just talking authentic sim here.  Offline, strikes can be scripted, but online it just sounds like chaos to me.  I didn’t fly in those “good old days” that people frequently refer to here.

 

Edited January 6, 2024 by SeaSerpent

[R33GZ]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Yep. They count on the "oh, it must be battle of Endor" peeps.

Battle of endor would be damn cool... but "slightly" off expected delivery ?

[Koziolek]

7 hours ago, HAWKEYES007 said:

I hope POT also expect to landing on the Enterprise~~

Soon. Ok maybe 2-3 years soon

[ACG_Bussard]

When you´ll hope to experience this:

 

 

But your experience is:

 

I can already hear the whining of the piston engine pilots on the online servers and soon they will only be flown exclusivly offline.

Edited January 6, 2024 by Bussard*

[Trooper117]

43 minutes ago, Bussard* said:

 

I can already hear the whining of the piston engine pilots on the online servers and soon they will only be flown exclusivly offline.

 

Everyone likes realism, they are always crying out for it... here's a bit of realism for you. There were quite a lot of WWII prop pilots who stayed in the air force after the war ended, and they suddenly found themselves a short time later flying in Korea... I'll bet that not one of them didn't relish getting that transition from props to jets.

Think about it, they transitioned onto jets... that's 'realism' for you.

[Avimimus]

Hmm... in peace time there was quite a bit of concern though. Moving to jets and swept wings killed a number of pilots. The transition still killed a lot more in Korea, but I bet they tended to prefer the extra performance when flying in a wartime environment where your plane isn't the only thing trying to kill you.

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, Bussard* said:

When you´ll hope to experience this:

 

 

But your experience is:

 

I can already hear the whining of the piston engine pilots on the online servers and soon they will only be flown exclusivly offline.

There will be situations where DF betwen jets gets down low and slow and at that point some jets will get killed by prop, like now in MP fighters get jumped and gun down by GA airplanes like 129/110 or Il-2/a20 from time to time, but yes it will be jets vs jets galor online

Edited January 6, 2024 by CountZero

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Bussard* said:

can already hear the whining of the piston engine pilots on the online servers 

Well when I started this GB thing 14 years ago it was the air war that interested me. 
If you want a Mig vs sabre game. This can very well be it. To me it is a bit empty. 
I am not happy for the choice they made, but one can hardly debate whether it was wise or not. Sales will tell you that. Not a single players subjective opinion. 
I am more curious on the game engine and how improved it is. In any sain people mind that part should be positive for all 

[ACG_Bussard]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Everyone likes realism, they are always crying out for it... here's a bit of realism for you. There were quite a lot of WWII prop pilots who stayed in the air force after the war ended, and they suddenly found themselves a short time later flying in Korea... I'll bet that not one of them didn't relish getting that transition from props to jets.

Think about it, they transitioned onto jets... that's 'realism' for you.

Then let yourself be realistically transformed into the fifties!

 

P.S. Just a small question: Are you also online with GB? Haven't see you ever online ...

[Guest deleted@83466]

30 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Hmm... in peace time there was quite a bit of concern though. Moving to jets and swept wings killed a number of pilots. The transition still killed a lot more in Korea, but I bet they tended to prefer the extra performance when flying in a wartime environment where your plane isn't the only thing trying to kill you.

 

I don’t think those planes are “trying to kill you.”  They really shouldn’t be any harder to fly than pistons, and the engines aren’t Jumos.  The biggest gotcha I can see is in the engine spool time, which is considerable back then.  You can’t just firewall the engine on a go-around, and get instant power and blown lift.  And then you go down short of the runway or do a ramp strike on a carrier.  So people just need to tighten up their technique and stay ahead of the plane, which they should probably be doing anyway, whether piston or turbojet.

Edited January 6, 2024 by SeaSerpent

[LuftManu]

3 hours ago, Bussard* said:

When you´ll hope to experience this:

 

But your experience is:

I can already hear the whining of the piston engine pilots on the online servers and soon they will only be flown exclusivly offline.

 

Guys, we have to understand that the "Public Dogfight mission" is not the whole community image. Nor it should be. People want the fastest and best ride. It's a fact. But it happens the same when you are in a Moscow Scenario or in a Bodenplatte one.

There are tons of SP players and some squadrons that fly COOP. In fact, the most fun bombing missions I had in the game were in some coordinated COOP missions with my squad. There is also realistic events in public MP.

So I wouldn't worry about this. People seeking realism will be able to find it and "Open Dogfight missions" was not the best place to find it in the first place. The same can be said about late ETO. Tons of Luftwaffe numbers against the allies. 

[Trooper117]

18 minutes ago, Bussard* said:

Are you also online with GB? Haven't see you ever online ...

 

When the old IL2 came out I was always online with an online Squadron, and Hyperlobby was the place to be, I loved it... but over those years I just met too many tossers who would eff things up for all concerned and I got sick of it.

I was there to work with others to complete the missio/objective, to hopefully get back with the rest of the flight in one piece and survive, plus the large online wars were a real treat... I wasn't there to  just get kills, it was all about working as a team.

But with GB, it wasn't the same, tried it briefly, met the usual low life's and then couldn't be bothered... I don't care about MP anymore.

However, when Combat Pilot comes out I just might get interested again.

Anyway, why do you want to know if I go online, what's that got to do with anything?

[LuftManu]

Sometimes that has to do with the people you fly with rather than the setting. Of course, variety helps to represent and recreate certain events in history (and to have coordination too) but if people are not willing to do something realistic you will end up with the "top rides only" or "tossing" even with the greatest planeset ever presented. 

For example, I create and organize some events in my squad for realistic flying and setting. Even sometimes against AI and we have tons of fun.

Reason? We create a lot of context and work behind scenes with everybody willing to take part and portray a realistic scenario.

 

I am now working on a Battle of Stalingrad campaign. With a simple text editor we can recreate a supply and service.

We have 2h sessions with a realistic front. AI spawning in both sides, doing intercepts and trying to represent the numbers.

Players can join several real squadrons from the Soviet side. Those squadrons have some "supply" in number of planes and "resources". Those resources mean that every time a plane takes off: it takes "points". If the plane is lost, more points. If the pilot also dies, even more.  We also decide what to attack and advance the battle, but nothing out of the "what happened in reality" limit.

Pilots then try to save their planes and of course their virtual lifes. Also resources depend on each side and time of battle.
So squadrons and people have to carefully manage resources to not "deplete" a squadron. (Flying only the best figther variant won't work ?) And even only flying withouth loses is already taking a toll in resources as it's taking points "servicing" and "arming those aircraft".

All of this done with a simple text editor and the willingness of participants. I hope if it's Korea, we can also do these Virtual frontlines.

 

My two cents and I let go of the offtopic now or I will have to correct myself! ?

[ACG_Bussard]

28 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Anyway, why do you want to know if I go online, what's that got to do with anything?

Quite simply, my original post referred to the expected online experience. After your reply, I just wanted to make sure whether you had any online experience or not. However, with the mentioned reservations and prejudices from your singular point of view, this does not seem to be the case in the last decade. Thanks for the clarification, I'm know for now on. By the way, I do off- and online, so that's why.  

[ACG_Bussard]

21 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

They stated this about FC in future plans:

 

With the bolded statement I doubt they'll pack in it for GBs anytime soon: there will still be game updates to it.

This is still hardly necessary with regard to FC, if you look at the state of the NML or the still missing AQM. However, this does not have to be seen as the addition of new content, but can certainly be seen as the subsequent delivery of content that already exists in other modules.

 

But I have to admit, they've made a real progress with the dynamic campaign since my last visit. My cudos!

 

The drop tanks are probably more of a wishful thinking. That has long been a thing of the past. Wake up!