Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[Robli]

41 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Have they said this? I haven't seen them say this.

 

Yes, they have said this directly. 

[CountZero]

5 hours ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

Just dont understand why we will get probs when a) they were used by russians very limited and b) you will get annihilated in SP or in MP as it was in RL.

 

I also dont understand why mix types of planes. The majority wont fly slow props in MP or SP. If it is really Korea, then they should name it Sabre vs Mig, because this will be the final result. Slow fighter/bomber will just be annihilated by +100mph faster jet fighter. Any variety and kind of balance we have now, will be over. Unlike most other theatres Korea is very unbalcanced at the end. Modern vs old planes type and huge variety US planes vs limited russian type of planes. Korea is in many aspects a dead end in my mind. I cant see a living MP community with interesseting settings like whe have now in GB.

I can talk from expiriance i had in old IL-2 46 with hsfx mods that had most of Korean airplanes and few maps of area. It was from time to time that you could see popular full real servers runing korea missions in MP, on spits vs 109s or aces over pacific later on, they run it few times and it was good change from ww2 , but it could not be popular for long time as ppl wont their ww2 airplanes. It was like you expect 80-90% ppl flying Mig-15s, F9Fs, F-84s and F-86s and few doing GA with props (mostly UN side) , AI B-29s raids mostly, few times players would take it for a spin. I expect same in MP here if they do Korea next. But it will get boring realy fast and not ww2 to go back to next day, so i dont expect MP scene to be lively, it will be probably less populated then we have here in GB. Also i played planty of SP Korea missions from mission4today, they varied from fantasy fun ones to day by day historical ones, also most were for jets, few were focused on props. With Mission editor we have i dont expect many player made missions like then, so i guess focus will also be on whats popular like its now here, fighters, and two main ones will be F-86 and MiG-15. Played and organiased few seow campaigns, tink of it like 100ppl+ dinamic coop wars, in Korea settings, again most liked flying jets but because of atricion they/we did had to fly props and this was only enviroment i realy saw use of most airplanes available, but in this game you realy dont see that and i dont expect it will start to happend in next one.

So i have your point of view, i know why otther airplanes were important, but i can see only use for few most popular ones, i dont even expect they gona waist time on chopers at start. While they gona probably do yak-9p, la-9/11, il-10 and maybe Tu-2 to add to MiG15s , if they just did MiG15 it would probably had no impact on gameplay i expect in SP or MP. Thouse slots could be probably better used for more UN jets or variants of F-86, if we expect they gona keep this 10 slots per game. 

Edited January 4, 2024 by CountZero

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, Robli said:

Yes, they have said this directly. 

 

Where?

[Talisman]

21 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Salute 

I repeat I do not mind choppers in Korea module. Not at all. But experiences from this franchise tells me it won’t be as useful unless logistics around it is built. My first chopper experience except early msfs was modded in old il 2. And pretty decent it was. 
This time I will be damn sure it won’t be another Waco glider. I can loop in it with full load. I was looking forward to a challange a basically overloaded brick with wings. And got a sailplane. We need to be more demanding when it comes to fm

 

Yes, I think perhaps you make a good point regarding fm.  I had thought the Waco would be more of a challenge and I particularly miss the wake turbulence  when under tow, if I don't fly below the slipstream of the tug ac.  I hope they model wake turbulence in the next version of the sim.

 

Happy landings,

 

 

Talisman

Edited January 4, 2024 by 56RAF_Talisman

[Trooper117]

28 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Where?

 

I can't remember exactly where, but I'm sure it was stated in the past as I've always understood that was the case...

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

2 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

Im working in the IT and you can upgrade or migrate engines and modules. depends wich way you choose.
In this case the best example is DCS, they have an universal name, nothing like il2 (brand) and you fight in the Golan heights... 

Yes , everyone knows that. But somehow not all do it , sometimes it's better for start from scratch and do not dealing with spaghetti code.

[JG27_Steini]

3 hours ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

There's a easy solution for that. Just like how in Current BoX if you want the Hurricane/E7 to shine you don't include later planes like the 51/K4, if you want to build a mission where the Korean props shine then just trim the set to give a good matchup of prop planes only. I'm sure there will be servers where it's Mig/Sabre or GTFO and that's fine, but they don't all have to be that way, if you want a change of pace.

 

Sure that will work and at the end it will be a server like Zeros vs. Wildcats earlier. There are no true Mig15 / Sabre successors. People are stuck with those planes. It will work for some time, and it will be fun, but we will never have the variety of airwar we have now. Zeros vs Wildcats was a great fun, but only for a short time. People went back to IL2 after a short while.

[76IAP-Black]

11 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

Yes , everyone knows that. But somehow not all do it , sometimes it's better for start from scratch and do not dealing with spaghetti code.

I absolutly agree with you, thats the question that is not answered.
We had a nice "reveal" video and thats it ... nothing new or important for the community.

We have no road for 2024, no info about GB and the new project, so.. all in all 12 pages full of no real info again ... Im impressed, again ... 

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Luftgangster said:

 

There's a reason the series is titled IL-2 Sturmovik and not P-47 Thunderbolt...

 

Aye...so was the original. 

[deathmisser]

For the people hoping choppers they will be in there maybe not officially but no doubt ether ai or community made.

As remember we have gliders so a Korean module would spark someone somewhere to make helicopters.   

[Guest deleted@83466]

That module will come later, and be called “MiG-15 Fagot: Rise of Choppers”

[Blitzen]

Oh why not toss in the F-7-f and F-8-f as long as we're dreaming just for the fun of it?

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Where?

Han made comments here on the forum, might have been the “where’s Jason” thread. 

28 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

That module will come later, and be called “MiG-15 Fagot: Rise of Choppers”

You win

/thread

 

[Luftgangster]

26 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Aye...so was the original. 

 

So you must have had little interest in the series until recently because the original focus of IL-2 Sturmovik was the Eastern Front.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, JG27_Steini said:

Zeros vs Wildcats was a great fun, but only for a short time. People went back to IL2 after a short while.

What are you talking about?

That was probably the best Room to fly in when coops were slow, and there was more available than the Zero and Wildcat.

 

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

1 hour ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

Sure that will work and at the end it will be a server like Zeros vs. Wildcats earlier. There are no true Mig15 / Sabre successors. People are stuck with those planes. It will work for some time, and it will be fun, but we will never have the variety of airwar we have now. Zeros vs Wildcats was a great fun, but only for a short time. People went back to IL2 after a short while.

Well see how it goes I guess, though I wouldn't underestimate the draw of upgraded graphics, fms, dms, game modes, etc. And they are interesting potential props, like being able to fly 2 mustangs at once, or the skyraider with a stupid amount of firepower. But ultimately we don't need the majority to have a good time, we just need enough players in the server to get a good game going.

[Gambit21]

13 minutes ago, Luftgangster said:

 

So you must have had little interest in the series until recently because the original focus of IL-2 Sturmovik was the Eastern Front.

Essentially yes. Call it limited interest.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2024 by Gambit21

[Metrallaroja]

23 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

Oh why not toss in the F-7-f and F-8-f as long as we're dreaming just for the fun of it?

Please it is F4U-, F8F-, F7F- not F-4U, F-8-F, F-7-F
Im getting an aneurysn everytime you post it wrong 

[Blitzen]

4 minutes ago, Metrallaroja said:

Please it is F4U-, F8F-, F7F- not F-4U, F-8-F, F-7-F
Im getting an aneurysn everytime you post it wrong 

Sorry I learned the nomenclature when I was much younger and it stuck...

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, Art-J said:

The same will apply to the "new project" (unless, God forbid, they decide to make it a multiplayer oriented only - everything's possible with Albert being the boss again).

 

Nothing like that is going to happen.

[Art-J]

Glad to hear that, thanks.

[Metrallaroja]

2 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

Sorry I learned the nomenclature when I was much younger and it stuck...

Sad but yes those planes would be amazing.

I can see F7F-3N, about the F8F I dont think any saw combat in korea tho

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

I can't remember exactly where, but I'm sure it was stated in the past as I've always understood that was the case...

31 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Han made comments here on the forum, might have been the “where’s Jason” thread. 

 

I recall a comment along the lines that Pacific would be planned to come after the next module... which isn't exactly saying that it would be the next module...

 

I took it more as an expression of interest in doing the Pacific, while clarifying that it would be done immediately but could be done later. Anyway, until I read a very clear statement myself - I definitely won't be expecting anything.

[Art-J]

^ That's what I recall as well from the previous Q&A session and forum posts later. PTO as something to be done in unspecified future, but there certainly was no declaration about getting there right after next "project". And even if there was, we're talking about perspective of at least 5+ years in the future. Who knows what 1C business plans will be then and who's going to be the CEO of the team responsible for simulation projects.

 

People remember what they want to remember, not what was actually said.

[Metrallaroja]

Some korean videos of take offs and landings:
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/22057

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/22225

[Avimimus]

12 minutes ago, Art-J said:

^ That's what I recall as well from the previous Q&A session and forum posts later. PTO as something to be done in unspecified future, but there certainly was no declaration about getting there right after next "project". And even if there was, we're talking about perspective of at least 5+ years in the future. Who knows what 1C business plans will be then and who's going to be the CEO of the team responsible for simulation projects.

 

People remember what they want to remember, not what was actually said.

 

Yes, it is always a risk. ? I've been a victim of it too.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Would be nice to know if next iteration of this game will include carriers. 

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I recall a comment along the lines that Pacific would be planned to come after the next module... which isn't exactly saying that it would be the next module...

Well by that logic (“after” meaning between 2 and 40 years) he could have mentioned Vietnam, or a Su-27.

No I think (IMHO of course) that  “after” meant directly after.

[Trooper117]

Well, I'll be remembering 'what I want to remember' if that's ok... I'm not into being pedantic, so I'll remember it as coming after the new project, as in next, thank you 

Edited January 4, 2024 by Trooper117

[Avimimus]

3 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Well by that logic (“after” meaning between 2 and 40 years) he could have mentioned Vietnam, or a Su-27.

No I think (IMHO of course) that  “after” meant directly after.

 

I'd interpret after as maybe the second or third module after the next one... I suspect that they might need some flexibility... I don't think anyone who has experience with game development, software development, or engineering would feel like it is reasonable to expect them to be able to predict all of the factors. I could definitely see an expansion for Korea, or even a WWII module, leading to at least a couple of years delay... especially if there are research issues or they want to develop and release carrier tech for Korea first or something along those lines.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

I'd interpret after as maybe the second or third module after the next one... I suspect that they might need some flexibility... I don't think anyone who has experience with game development, software development, or engineering would feel like it is reasonable to expect them to be able to predict all of the factors. I could definitely see an expansion for Korea, or even a WWII module, leading to at least a couple of years delay... especially if there are research issues or they want to develop and release carrier tech for Korea first or something along those lines.

You could right - it will be interesting to see where things go in any case.

 

[Avimimus]

 

2 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Well, I'll be remembering 'what I want to remember' if that's ok... I'm not into being pedantic, so I'll remember it as coming after the new project, thank you 

 

You can. Just... well, expect an 'I told you so' and try not to cause too much trouble for us poor moderators when you get disappointed. ? Remember, we don't get to make the decisions, we just keep the peace.

 

P.S. I sincerely hope you won't be disappointed.

[Gambit21]

2 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Well, I'll be remembering 'what I want to remember' if that's ok... I'm not into being pedantic, so I'll remember it as coming after the new project, thank you 

As I said, from a revenue standpoint it would seem essential. That’s just an outsiders educated guess though.

[Avimimus]

 

1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

You could right - it will be interesting to see where things go in any case.

 

 

That's it, isn't it? It'll be interesting no matter what.

 

I just hope that WWI doesn't get dropped for another ten years, and that if it does, we get a couple of things polished first.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

That's it, isn't it? It'll be interesting no matter what.

 

I just hope that WWI doesn't get dropped for another ten years, and that if it does, we get a couple of things polished first.

I hope WWI is expanded and fleshed out.

[Trooper117]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

try not to cause too much trouble for us poor moderators when you get disappointed.

 

I won't be disappointed in any way shape or form mate... I'll be flying Pacific in at least another two flight sims by that time!

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, deathmisser said:

For the people hoping choppers they will be in there maybe not officially but no doubt ether ai or community made.

As remember we have gliders so a Korean module would spark someone somewhere to make helicopters.   

 

Only the developer can add aircraft to the game.

[[CPT]Crunch]

One things for certain, the old plane pack system is dead.  Many people won't bother buying the first installment if it only contains a small amount of flyable's and no AI to flesh out the war with targets, that would include me, I'd wait until it gets reasonably populated, even if it takes three packs or more.  Korea just won't work limiting the amount of plane types.

[sevenless]

18 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

One things for certain, the old plane pack system is dead.  Many people won't bother buying the first installment if it only contains a small amount of flyable's and no AI to flesh out the war with targets, that would include me, I'd wait until it gets reasonably populated, even if it takes three packs or more.  Korea just won't work limiting the amount of plane types.

 

They still could try to go the DCS way of releasing things 80/20 in early access. However before someone bites, they need at least some map, environmental stuff and AI assets ready. Maybe they tell us once they make the official announcement in spring.

[deathmisser]

23 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

One things for certain, the old plane pack system is dead.  Many people won't bother buying the first installment if it only contains a small amount of flyable's and no AI to flesh out the war with targets, that would include me, I'd wait until it gets reasonably populated, even if it takes three packs or more.  Korea just won't work limiting the amount of plane types.

Yea I too would like at least a few packs for Korea before switching to another theatre.  Like early Korean war you still had aircraft from late WW2. 

Like the Firefly and the Seafire for an example it's will be a bit odd to go from,

 

3 Eastern front packs

2 Western front packs  

 

Go for only one Korean pack then immediately go for the Pacific.  Like I've already pointed out you could make 3 modules at a push with Korea.  

Edited January 4, 2024 by deathmisser