Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Seems kinda odd to me that they refuse to tell us what theater the next version of this game will be focused on, and then show us images of planes that we have not seen yet in current theaters.   Makes me wonder if they are trying to let us know what they are up to in a sly way, or if they are just careless with secrets,or if they are trying to mislead us?

 

Sort of feels like a "Midway has a drinkable water problem" type ploy to me.

 

 

Edited January 2, 2024 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[JG27_Steini]

If it is true that there are only a limited number of russian planes, but plenty of american ones, then i am curious what the next move will be. Will we still get 8 + 2 planes and how many modules can Korea generate? 

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

I'd prefer it if they leave all the BoX baggage behind and start a new game with the new project. I wouldn't want anything in the old game holding back the new game, and I'd rather not mix in the old FMs and DMs in with the new and improved ones. A new war is the perfect opportunity to start fresh.

[kestrel79]

Do we know what model P-51 that is in the photo? Is it a D model F-51? Or will we get the H model at all? Did the H model serve in Korea or just the Ds? It looks like a D to me but hard to tell.

 

I prefer WW2 but I'm excited for Korea as well. I think they are trying to double dip marketing wise by moving to this theater. You can steal some of the DCS crowd with the jet vs jet combat, and please us ww2 fans with the high hp piston engine planes.

 

And unlike DCS this would have an actual map, missions, correct vehicles and targets on the ground.

 

I'm excited! Waiting for more info.

[Talisman]

Choppers!  Just the sort of new flying opportunities that could be on offer if IL-2 goes for Korea.

It is not all about Migs and Sabres by a long chalk.

Also, lots of new dynamic gameplay could be on offer that has not yet been provided by the IL-2 series to date.

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

Edited January 2, 2024 by 56RAF_Talisman

[Hartsblade]

I would like to remind folks that I called Korea back in November of 2022 and was poo-poo'd by some members of the community. ?

On 11/9/2022 at 5:09 PM, Hartsblade said:

My guess is the next step will be jets, maybe Korea or Vietnam. 

 

[danielprates]

What about Alan Alda, are we getting a 3D model of him, DM and all? 

[Avimimus]

 

16 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

Other planes that might be considered are the A-1 Skyraider, F-80, Sea Fury, or Meteor.

 

Likely:

- The F-80C is a definite must. It was the first jet operational in Korea after-all.

- The A-1 Skyraider is a better counterpart to the Il-10...
 

I'd love an RAAF Meteor F.8 - A lot of Commonwealth (ANZAC, British, Canadian) soldiers were dying on the ground, so it'd be nice to have the chance to fly a representative aircraft in the air.

 

I also think the F-82G should be considered. It was engaged in combat quite a bit. Furthermore, many of them had their radars removed. So a flyable version could be created without the radar. It'd be a fun plane to have.

 

Also, the F-86E/F and the Mig-15Bis are possibilities. We might also expect to see the U-2/Po-2.

 

I believe the Sea Furies operated exclusively off of ships. Is this correct? If so, we won't see it.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Talisman said:

Choppers!  Just the sort of new flying opportunities that could be on offer if IL-2 goes for Korea.

It is not all about Migs and Sabres by a long chalk.

Also, lots of new dynamic gameplay could be on offer that has not yet been provided by the IL-2 series to date.

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

Have you tried flying choppers in DCS? After that you won’t fly them in msfs. And I tested most of them. In fact spent a lot of money in order to find something useful. 
Fact is, if there is no substance to it, it will be another Waco the sailplane or a recce plane with no recce job. Cool for a while but then meh. 

In order for me to lift the eyebrow for this Korea thing it must be a good modelled flyable B 26 , Skyraider and A 26 I would not mind a chopper but damn it got to serve a purpose 

Until now we got 90 % US fighters with glass engines. 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Pretty sure the first downing of a NKAF machine was done by an F82 Twin Mustang.

[Avimimus]

 

  

2 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Seems kinda odd to me that they refuse to tell us what theater the next version of this game will be focused on, and then show us images of planes that we have not seen yet in current theaters.   Makes me wonder if they are trying to let us know what they are up to in a sly way, or if they are just careless with secrets,or if they are trying to mislead us?

 

Sort of feels like a "Midway has a drinkable water problem" type ploy to me.

 

I think you may be overthinking this. They are clearly fine with the dedicated fans figuring out what the next project will be. However, they are still likely working out the final set of flyables and features... and they haven't shown us the new map yet.

 

I suspect they will make an official announcement, along with a proper list of features, aircraft, and pictures of the terrain, when they are ready to start taking pre-orders. That way they can get maximum impact from the announcement at the time they are taking sales. That is my guess anyway, they are simply waiting until they have everything complete enough. But it is just a guess.

 

I don't think it has to be more complicated than that though. They aren't wizards. I mean, I know it feels like they are wizards sometimes (e.g. they can program a computer game and know about fluid dynamics)... but they aren't actually wizards... I think anyway.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

I think you may be overthinking this. They are clearly fine with the dedicated fans figuring out what the next project will be. However, they are still likely working out the final set of flyables and features... and they haven't shown us the new map yet.

 

I suspect they will make an official announcement, along with a proper list of features, aircraft, and pictures of the terrain, when they are ready to start taking pre-orders. That way they can get maximum impact from the announcement at the time they are taking sales. That is my guess anyway, they are simply waiting until they have everything complete enough. But it is just a guess.

 

I don't think it has to be more complicated than that though. They aren't wizards. I mean, I know it feels like they are wizards sometimes (e.g. they can program a computer game and know about fluid dynamics)... but they aren't actually wizards... I think anyway.

Probably right,  just seems odd..

[Avimimus]

 

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Pretty sure the first downing of a NKAF machine was done by an F82 Twin Mustang.

 

Yes... and a bunch of them had their radars removed when they switched over to ground attack, so there is no need to model the radar.

 

 

3 hours ago, kestrel79 said:

Do we know what model P-51 that is in the photo? Is it a D model F-51? Or will we get the H model at all? Did the H model serve in Korea or just the Ds? It looks like a D to me but hard to tell.

 

If I recall correctly, the more advanced Mustangs (H/K) had alloys which made them harder to maintain, the F-51D thus outlasted them in service. So I'm pretty sure we'll get an F-51D. As mentioned above, the F-82 would be neat to have (if we were getting an exotic Mustang).

[R33GZ]

28 minutes ago, Hartsblade said:

I would like to remind folks that I called Korea back in November of 2022 and was poo-poo'd by some members of the community. ?

 

You win! ?

[DragonDaddy]

3 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Sort of feels like a "Midway has a drinkable water problem" type ploy to me.

 

“AF has a drinkable water problem”

[Hartsblade]

5 minutes ago, R33GZ said:

You win! ?

YAY!!!?

[tvcasualty]

Really liking the word "module" that's been used in this tread!  I can almost hear those 30mm cannons thumpin ?

Also the B-29!!!  Even as AI this is super exciting to me as it points towards a 4 engine future!

 

Not really understanding the logic of being able to bring WWI into a WWII flight sim (and tanks too for that matter) but not be able to bring in something after WWII.

We've already seen new technologies improve the BoX series several major times before, why not hope for more?

 

What's the name of the new module going to be?

MiG Alley ?

Forgotten Battles ?

B o M*A*S*H ?

 

Now to get me some Tony Paco's

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Hartsblade said:

I would like to remind folks that I called Korea back in November of 2022 and was poo-poo'd by some members of the community. ?

 

It took you till November to figure it out?

 

 

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, JG27_Steini said:

If it is true that there are only a limited number of russian planes, but plenty of american ones, then i am curious what the next move will be. Will we still get 8 + 2 planes and how many modules can Korea generate? 

Here is list of airplanes used in war:

https://www.korean-war.com/AirWar/AircraftType-LossList.html

 

also day by day air war events:

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/1000korea/

[Gunfreak]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Likely:

- The F-80C is a definite must. It was the first jet operational in Korea after-all.

- The A-1 Skyraider is a better counterpart to the Il-10...
 

I'd love an RAAF Meteor F.8 - A lot of Commonwealth (ANZAC, British, Canadian) soldiers were dying on the ground, so it'd be nice to have the chance to fly a representative aircraft in the air.

 

I also think the F-82G should be considered. It was engaged in combat quite a bit. Furthermore, many of them had their radars removed. So a flyable version could be created without the radar. It'd be a fun plane to have.

 

Also, the F-86E/F and the Mig-15Bis are possibilities. We might also expect to see the U-2/Po-2.

 

I believe the Sea Furies operated exclusively off of ships. Is this correct? If so, we won't see it.

Yeah real shame we won't get carriers

US navy, marines and British fleet air arm. Was really the only proper air support the first weeks of the war. They held back the enemy ground forces. And even by the end of the war. Navy and marines were still by far the best close air support guys. Would love if we could get a fleet air arm and us navt career mode. Flying off carriers with water so cold you'd freeze to death in a few minutes.

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

if they are just careless with secrets

 

LOL no, these images were chosen and approved by 1CGS's managers and directors. Nothing was shown by accident.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

24 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Yeah real shame we won't get carriers

US navy, marines and British fleet air arm. Was really the only proper air support the first weeks of the war. They held back the enemy ground forces. And even by the end of the war. Navy and marines were still by far the best close air support guys. Would love if we could get a fleet air arm and us navt career mode. Flying off carriers with water so cold you'd freeze to death in a few minutes.

I did not hear them say anything about carriers in the latest stream..  maybe I missed it?   I know carriers were a non starter in the current setup, but i would assume they are back in the plan for the "new and improved " iteration?

[[CPT]Crunch]

Biggest thing these guys said that I'm liking is the expanded overall feeling of this new world they're working on, much higher fidelity atmospheric and lighting works going on.  That alone interests me to the highest degree.  Tired of the older cartoon looking maps that bear little resemblance to earth, each major valley and mountain range should have enough detail for an individual signature where one can immediately recognize it with familiarity.  And fixing the sun, about time.

 

Already know they can do planes quite well, added improvements welcome, but nothing overall new there.  Get a ground war going with believable functioning flak and you got a deal, I really don't care what the war is, as long as you can get these things up to suspension of disbelief levels.  Flak guns in coordinated batteries should scare the snot out of any player, not a single computerized gun bot.  So far ground wars have been an after thought, sterile.  About time we saw some movement of men and materials on the battle fields.

[Koziolek]

2 hours ago, Hartsblade said:

I would like to remind folks that I called Korea back in November of 2022 and was poo-poo'd by some members of the community. ?

 

Congratulations! I am really impressed

[354thFG_Leifr]

4 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

I did not hear them say anything about carriers in the latest stream..  maybe I missed it?   I know carriers were a non starter in the current setup, but i would assume they are back in the plan for the "new and improved " iteration?

 

We were told PBR wasn't a possibility a few months back because 1CGS desired to reuse as many existing BoX assets as possible, and now PBR has been acknowledged for the future of the IL2 series. Personally, I wouldn't take anything for truth until the product is before our own eyes. Despite the interview and the soft-confirmation of Korea, there's still no admission from 1CGS.

 

(By the way, when's the Q&A appearing? I thought that was what the big hoo-haa was for?)

[Koziolek]

1 hour ago, tvcasualty said:

What's the name of the new module going to be?

MiG Alley ?

Forgotten Battles ?

B o M*A*S*H ?

 

IS-2 Sturmovik ?

8 minutes ago, 367th_Leifr said:

 

 

(By the way, when's the Q&A appearing? I thought that was what the big hoo-haa was for?)

Luke said after they finish translation, but I don't know if he meant our questions or their answers ?

[LukeFF]

10 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

Luke said after they finish translation, but I don't know if he meant our questions or their answers ?

 

The Q&A portion has been recorded, but since it runs for about an hour, it was decided to split this off into a separate video. You can probably expect it sometime next week since Orthodox Christmas is on Sunday the 7th.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 hour ago, tvcasualty said:

What's the name of the new module going to be?

SPADVII: Wings Over Korea ?.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Enceladus828]

What's the reason for them not ready to share the historical context about the next installment, if we're seeing WIP images of the aircraft that will be in this installment then where it will be is known?

[Bonnot]

MASH  :  Suicide is painless  ?

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, Hartsblade said:

I would like to remind folks that I called Korea back in November of 2022 and was poo-poo'd by some members of the community. ?

 

 

They will probably award you a free collectors aircraft for your foresight, plus a mention in despatches at the very least!

[Gambit21]

44 minutes ago, 367th_Leifr said:

 

We were told PBR wasn't a possibility a few months back because 1CGS desired to reuse as many existing BoX assets as possible, and now PBR has been acknowledged for the future of the IL2 series. Personally, I wouldn't take anything for truth until the product is before our own eyes. Despite the interview and the soft-confirmation of Korea, there's still no admission from 1CGS.

 

(By the way, when's the Q&A appearing? I thought that was what the big hoo-haa was for?)

 

The whole "no PBR"  thing was never realistic, and frankly it had me scratching my head. There's just no way they can be competitive without it.

[Art-J]

4 hours ago, kestrel79 said:

Do we know what model P-51 that is in the photo? Is it a D model F-51? Or will we get the H model at all? Did the H model serve in Korea or just the Ds? It looks like a D to me but hard to tell.

 

All former "Ps" became "Fs" with a stroke of a pen in 1948, not long after USAF was created. "H" Mustangs never served outside of continental US. It's a "D" allright. I also wouldn't read too much into that sreenshot - after all one of the next ones shows early Yak from the current game (not the 9P version from wireframe model) in new WIP lighting - so most likely a placeholder. Same might apply to Mustang then (albeit that would open another can of speculations about converting existing assets for new gx engine ) 

 

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

If I recall correctly, the more advanced Mustangs (H/K) had alloys which made them harder to maintain, the F-51D thus outlasted them in service. So I'm pretty sure we'll get an F-51D. 

"K" was just a regular "D" all around with the only difference of being equipped with Aeroproducts prop instead of run of the mill Hamilton Standard. And thus, ordinary spec, dime a dozen Ds were indeed just available in huge numbers, together with spare parts.

[CountZero]

38 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

What's the reason for them not ready to share the historical context about the next installment, if we're seeing WIP images of the aircraft that will be in this installment then where it will be is known?

Probably what Avimimus said in few posts abow:

 

"I suspect they will make an official announcement, along with a proper list of features, aircraft, and pictures of the terrain, when they are ready to start taking pre-orders. That way they can get maximum impact from the announcement at the time they are taking sales. That is my guess anyway, they are simply waiting until they have everything complete enough. But it is just a guess."

 

Probably there was some traumas from previous DLCs where they promised stuff and then had hard time to deliver so now they wont to be sure that they can do stuff and when they are sure they will anounc it.

 

[Avimimus]

4 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Probably there was some traumas from previous DLCs where they promised stuff and then had hard time to deliver so now they wont to be sure that they can do stuff and when they are sure they will anounc it.

 

 

Well, I wouldn't say a hard time to deliver... many games get delayed by two or three years these days afterall, and we're talking about a delay of a few months in most cases... but, the forums do seem to get pretty agitated if anything takes three or more months than expected ? Given how complicated software development is, and how complicated simulations in particular are, I'm surprised that they are so good at keep tight schedules (honestly).

 

12 minutes ago, Art-J said:

"K" was just a regular "D" all around with the only difference of being equipped with Aeroproducts prop instead of run of the mill Hamilton Standard. And thus, ordinary spec, dime a dozen Ds were indeed just available in huge numbers, together with spare parts.

 

Ah, I've gotten rusty. Must just be the H then which was retired early!

[Hartsblade]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

It took you till November to figure it out?

 

 

Of 2022...

[blitze]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Biggest thing these guys said that I'm liking is the expanded overall feeling of this new world they're working on, much higher fidelity atmospheric and lighting works going on.  That alone interests me to the highest degree.  Tired of the older cartoon looking maps that bear little resemblance to earth, each major valley and mountain range should have enough detail for an individual signature where one can immediately recognize it with familiarity.  And fixing the sun, about time.

With you here Cpt.  Fixing sun and bloom issues both in non HDR / and HDR would make things  much nicer in VR.  Using HDR in VR is nice but you get halos around assets  and the Sun - blinding just in the general direction of the thing, not  even looking directly at it (and this is with bloom in the cfg file set to 0).  Yet on the other hand, using HDR makes it much easier to track and spot aircraft. 

 

Would like HDR lighting toned down with smaller sun size and way less bloom  (even with it turned off  in config). Anyway - I hope this stuff can be back ported to the current series  as with comms and  more air assets at the same time. 

 

Keeping WW2 relevant ?

[Hartsblade]

54 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

They will probably award you a free collectors aircraft for your foresight, plus a mention in despatches at the very least!

Oh I hope so!!!

1 hour ago, Koziolek said:

Congratulations! I am really impressed

I knew you would be! I'm rather impressed as well.

[Gambit21]

14 minutes ago, Hartsblade said:

Of 2022...

 

Yes I know. 

[Enceladus828]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I suspect they will make an official announcement, along with a proper list of features, aircraft, and pictures of the terrain, when they are ready to start taking pre-orders. That way they can get maximum impact from the announcement at the time they are taking sales.

I dunno, to me that would be the case if they weren't certain on the plane set, only providing us a tentative list, or they were certain on it and after they started taking pre-orders it turned out a plane couldn't be made, people may complain that when they made their pre-order they were technically promised that plane. When an installment is announced even if it would be a bit before they can start taking pre-orders, everyone here is going to be dedicated to getting it with most pre-ordering it on Day 1. But as you said it's just a guess.

 

Maybe in the spring when the announcement finally comes we'll know why marketing elected not to have an announcement detailing where it would be and the plane set with a more official announcement later. Given how long it's taken I wonder when EA will start ?