Waco Glider mission with upcoming release?

[Blitzen]

I was thinking: wouldn’t it be great if you could include a initial Waco Glider mission with its release later this month, just to get our feet wet so to speak. I did have another thought/question : will the glider become available for QM’s with the C-47 so we could add it to already available missions or careers?

[LukeFF]

Yes, there will be SP missions included with the glider.

[Blitzen]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

Yes, there will be SP missions included with the glider.

“Be still my heart!”?

[Drano]

Hold until relieved.....hold until relieved.

[Noisemaker]

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Yes, there will be SP missions included with the glider.

Multiple missions in a single campaign?

[Trooper117]

Whatever and no matter what the mission is, it will involve being towed to a landing zone, you will be released from the tug aircraft, and then you will have a very short glide into the LZ... that's it, it won't matter if you are delivering troops, jeeps, or stores... you land, then it's endex, simple... you won't suddenly transform into a FPS shooter helping troops on the ground.

[BladeMeister]

14 hours ago, Blitzen said:

I was thinking: wouldn’t it be great if you could include a initial Waco Glider mission with its release later this month, just to get our feet wet so to speak. I did have another thought/question : will the glider become available for QM’s with the C-47 so we could add it to already available missions or careers?

Is that how they pick up the Waco's for every takeoff. I have never seen this method but honestly I have never thought about how they did this process. I bet that set you back in your seat. Whahooo!

 

S!Blade<><

[Jade_Monkey]

32 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Whatever and no matter what the mission is, it will involve being towed to a landing zone, you will be released from the tug aircraft, and then you will have a very short glide into the LZ... that's it, it won't matter if you are delivering troops, jeeps, or stores... you land, then it's endex, simple... you won't suddenly transform into a FPS shooter helping troops on the ground.

 

Hey man, nobody is forcing you to play the mission or the game at all. 

 

I understand the frustration, I'm a bit salty about the poor communication myself, but there has to be a better way to channel it.

[Trooper117]

I'm just explaining how this is likely to be used in the game, some people may think that these things might be able to soar like a modern glider.

It's going to have a very limited use, with no way to continue in any battle once on the ground.

I'm in no way frustrated, so let's rule that out straight away... I hope the dev's make a fortune with the amount of money they will make when the Waco is released, don't you?

[Lusekofte]

I am more excited for this than your favorite Korea , so this is taste and flavour kind of thing 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Noisemaker said:

Multiple missions in a single campaign?

 

Not sure yet - everything is still being compiled. 

[Trooper117]

3 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

so this is taste and flavour kind of thing 

 

Sure it is, and I hope you enjoy it...

[AndyJWest]

57 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

Is that how they pick up the Waco's for every takeoff. I have never seen this method but honestly I have never thought about how they did this process. I bet that set you back in your seat. Whahooo!

 

S!Blade<><

 

Not the normal procedure for takeoff - that was done with the tug and glider (or gliders - a C-47 could tow two Waco's) taking off from a runway. The trick with the clothesline (not really, it's a bit more sophisticated than that) was sometimes used for retrieval though.

 

Plenty of details in the Waco CG-4A Pilot Training Manual:

https://digitalcollections.museumofflight.org/items/show/57893

 

There's more interesting stuff in the USAAF Glider Flying Training manual:

https://digitalcollections.museumofflight.org/items/show/57892

 

Excerpt from the Pilot Training Manual:

Quote

Development of a special pick-up unit permits a towplane, while in flight, to snatch a fully loaded glider off the ground with little more shock than the sudden jerk of a starting trolley car.

 

Pick-up offers one major advantage over normal takeoff: Gliders may be retrieved from small, rough, or muddy fields not suitable for power planes.

 

Pick-up already has been used to a limited extent in theaters of operation, and its future development and use may prove invaluable. It not only puts back into action a glider which otherwise might be lost, but offers a return trip for pilots needed for another assignment. The evacuation of wounded on a large scale also is a future possibility.

 

Oddly enough, the average acceleration for pick-up is only 7/ 10 of one G, which lasts but 6½ seconds. This is significant if you realize that pilots catapulted from shipboard in aircraft experience 2½G's.

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by AndyJWest

[Noisemaker]

30 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Not sure yet - everything is still being compiled. 

Compiled into a single mission? 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Sure it is, and I hope you enjoy it...

I will , but bear in mind I fly gb maybe once every other month in coop. So a few sessions a week with this will be refreshing 

[Blitzen]

8 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Not the normal procedure for takeoff - that was done with the tug and glider (or gliders - a C-47 could tow two Waco's) taking off from a runway. The trick with the clothesline (not really, it's a bit more sophisticated than that) was sometimes used for retrieval though.

 

Plenty of details in the Waco CG-4A Pilot Training Manual:

https://digitalcollections.museumofflight.org/items/show/57893

 

There's more interesting stuff in the USAAF Glider Flying Training manual:

https://digitalcollections.museumofflight.org/items/show/57892

 

Excerpt from the Pilot Training Manual:

 

Can we just assume hat the above quote is a masterpiece of military understatement?

[tattywelshie]

Will it be part of the career mode? As in, intercept and/or escort missions?

[Avimimus]

On 12/13/2023 at 7:02 AM, LukeFF said:

Yes, there will be SP missions included with the glider.

 

Any word on SP training missions for artillery spotting and recon? Currently we're having to learn how to do this in campaign missions... at least that is what I had to do (I might've missed something)??

[MAJ_stug41]

19 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Is that how they pick up the Waco's for every takeoff. I have never seen this method but honestly I have never thought about how they did this process. I bet that set you back in your seat. Whahooo!

 

S!Blade<><

That is the Glider Aerial Retrieval System, generally for field recovery.

 

The standard method is well represented in A Bridge Too Far, though with Horsas, not Wacos.

 

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, tattywelshie said:

Will it be part of the career mode? As in, intercept and/or escort missions?

 

Right now the plan is to be able to tow it in C-47 career missions. Beyond that, not sure. 

 

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Any word on SP training missions for artillery spotting and recon? Currently we're having to learn how to do this in campaign missions... at least that is what I had to do (I might've missed something)??

 

Not that I am aware of, but training missions should be coming for the new artillery features in Tank Crew.

[MarcoPegase44]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

Right now the plan is to be able to tow it in C-47 career missions. Beyond that, not sure. 

 

 

Not that I am aware of, but training missions should be coming for the new artillery features in Tank Crew.

 

Will there be a static object version of the Waco to populate the map of Normandy in the fields after June 6?
This will increase the realism of the map.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

Will there be a static object version of the Waco to populate the map of Normandy in the fields after June 6?
This will increase the realism of the map.

 

I will try to find out.

[MAJ_stug41]

On that note, map objects like hedgerows, rommelspargel, and flooded areas would help bring the beach part of normandy up to par.

[Blitzen]

On 12/13/2023 at 10:47 PM, Trooper117 said:

Whatever and no matter what the mission is, it will involve being towed to a landing zone, you will be released from the tug aircraft, and then you will have a very short glide into the LZ... that's it, it won't matter if you are delivering troops, jeeps, or stores... you land, then it's endex, simple... you won't suddenly transform into a FPS shooter helping troops on the ground.

In European Glider ops they could “look forward” to a tricky take off a long a bumpy flight across the channel at about 150mph and a quick roller coaster ride and very dangerous landings , and after that the glider pilots would continue their day with the infantry they just unloaded…Now we can’t do that last bit, but you can get an idea ( depending on the FM of struggling with the controls f the CG-4A while being towed behind a C-47 on the very long flight across the Channel- fun huh?

( BTW, I’m betting there were many of the troops and even pilots were very airsick during the flight and couldn’t wait to get down on the ground despite the horrendous decent ! I believe even with VR it won’t be able to duplicate this factor-thank goodness !)

[Blitzen]

On 12/13/2023 at 11:50 PM, AndyJWest said:

 

Not the normal procedure for takeoff - that was done with the tug and glider (or gliders - a C-47 could tow two Waco's) taking off from a runway. The trick with the clothesline (not really, it's a bit more sophisticated than that) was sometimes used for retrieval though.

 

Plenty of details in the Waco CG-4A Pilot Training Manual:

https://digitalcollections.museumofflight.org/items/show/57893

 

There's more interesting stuff in the USAAF Glider Flying Training manual:

https://digitalcollections.museumofflight.org/items/show/57892

 

Excerpt from the Pilot Training Manual:

 

FYI At the end of the 1945 film”Objective Burma” there is a short bit featuring another view of a Waco glider pick up.It is not the smooth version featured in the gif, but a very stomach churning first few seconds of the glider going nearly vertical just after being” snatched”. It must have been a horror show inside the cockpit and I doubt that troops were loaded and picked up in this fashion.Fun to watch though !

I do wonder if this option will be loaded in the sim- I doubt it.

[Art-J]

Another full pickup sequence is shown in that documentary about one of the most remarkable rescue operations of the war...

 

 

Would love to replicate it in GB, but we ain't got New Guinea map available yet (hint hint ?). By the way, I highly recommend a book about this particular op (albeit, the video spoils the ending already  ). "Lost in Shangri-La" by Mitchell Zuckoff.

[Jaegermeister]

11 hours ago, Blitzen said:

I believe even with VR it won’t be able to duplicate this factor-thank goodness !)

 

Don't count on that. Its a pretty quick descent from 500 feet, but amusing.  

[[806th]_RipGZW]

On 12/13/2023 at 11:58 PM, BladeMeister said:

Is that how they pick up the Waco's for every takeoff. I have never seen this method but honestly I have never thought about how they did this process. I bet that set you back in your seat. Whahooo!

 

S!Blade<><

i think this was after Operation Market Garden to recover lost Gliders 

[Trooper117]

I'd like to see them recover a Hamilcar!

[Blitzen]

On 12/12/2023 at 11:02 PM, LukeFF said:

Yes, there will be SP missions included with the glider.

I bought my brand new Waco Glider yesterday & am now ready o sail it in the real digital world of Great Battles Normandy world,can you give me their location in SPmissions or name. From wha I’ve read hey are also available now in the early C-47 D-Day Campaign is this so? If so are they simply dropped by my C-47 or is there an option to pilot them after drop. Finally is here a key option to make troops ( or Jeep,) leave he glider after landing ?

Thanks!

Edited December 20, 2023 by Blitzen

[Trooper117]

45 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

Finally is here a key option to make troops9 or Jeep,) leave he glider after landing ?

 

Yes, you have to shout very loud ''GET OUT YOU MORONS... MOVE IT!)... or words to that effect.

[Koziolek]

19 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Yes, you have to shout very loud ''GET OUT YOU MORONS... MOVE IT!)... or words to that effect.

But then, all my neighbors stand in front of the building asking what happened ?

[Blitzen]

23 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Yes, you have to shout very loud ''GET OUT YOU MORONS... MOVE IT!)... or words to that effect.

Maybe they all bumped their heads ( badly) while I landed/controlled crashed ?

Edited December 20, 2023 by Blitzen

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Blitzen said:

I bought my brand new Waco Glider yesterday & am now ready o sail it in the real digital world of Great Battles Normandy world,can you give me their location in SPmissions or name. From wha I’ve read hey are also available now in the early C-47 D-Day Campaign is this so? If so are they simply dropped by my C-47 or is there an option to pilot them after drop. Finally is here a key option to make troops ( or Jeep,) leave he glider after landing ?

 

No, the troops and jeep will stay put after you have landed.

The single-player mission is called "Chicago Night." 

 

In career mode, there are glider towing missions with most C-47 squadrons (they are based on the dates and times they were actually flown). When you reach the release point your virtual navigator will tell you to release the glider, with the Jettison Stores command (the tow cable release handle is behind the co-pilot's seat).

[DakkaDakkaDakka]

I look forward to seeing how the CG-4A may figure in MP maps. Having to land X number of gliders at a specific objective point in order to (help) win the map's scenario seems like a natural application of this asset, and historically relevant, too.