Karelia map discussion

[LLv44_Kanttori]

45 minutes ago, Vendigo said:

 

That's cool and will it involve bombing raids on Leningrad? 

The missions of the bombers will not include the bombing of Leningrad, because the Finns only bombed the airfields north of Leningrad near the Finnish front. But never the city itself and I try to stick to military history as much as possible. Here is one interesting Finnish bombers mission: Counter strike on Leningrad airfields (English subtitles).

 

 

[Vendigo]

19 minutes ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

The missions of the bombers will not include the bombing of Leningrad, because the Finns only bombed the airfields north of Leningrad near the Finnish front. But never the city itself and I try to stick to military history as much as possible. 

 

I see and thank you for the video link; the point of my question was - I have a dream of creating a short bomber campaign someday, dedicated solely to raids against a big city and your upcoming Karelia map is just the right map for it.    

[Trooper117]

Very interesting video, never knew of that operation, thanks!

[ACG_Bussard]

12 hours ago, LLv44_Kanttori said:

 Here is one interesting Finnish bombers mission: Counter strike on Leningrad airfields

According to the mentioned Leningrad video, the shown Do 17 would be still missing in the presented Finnish Air Force planset. Or did I misunderstood something?

 

P.S. Great idea with your own Finnish voice recordings and the campaign missions!

Edited November 28, 2024 by ACG_Bussard

[Dead4Tetris]

I dont know if this has been asked but im guessing the map wont include Northern norway? was thinking in regards of eventually the Liberation of northern norway by the red army at the end of the war

[Juri_JS]

9 hours ago, Dead4Tetris said:

I dont know if this has been asked but im guessing the map wont include Northern norway? was thinking in regards of eventually the Liberation of northern norway by the red army at the end of the war

No northern Norway, this would be the area of a Murmask map.

[LLv44_Damixu]

10 hours ago, Dead4Tetris said:

I dont know if this has been asked but im guessing the map wont include Northern norway? was thinking in regards of eventually the Liberation of northern norway by the red army at the end of the war

Here's the Karelia mission map area announced at 21th of April 2024. I'm unsure if it got extended after the Karelia map was assigned to 1G official extension.

Edited December 3, 2024 by LLv44_Damixu

[LLv44_Damixu]

14 hours ago, Dead4Tetris said:

I dont know if this has been asked but im guessing the map wont include Northern norway? was thinking in regards of eventually the Liberation of northern norway by the red army at the end of the war

I believe the Murmansk map hobbyist work was halted about 3-4 years ago. So no hope to see Northern Norway as a mission map any time soon.

[Avimimus]

All of those lakes make me really want a float plane (of some sort, of any sort)!

 

The bush pilot in me comes out!

[Avimimus]

So, I just realised - Finland not only operated 15 Ar-196 but...

- They were more heavily armed than the German versions (one 12.7mm and two 20mm cannons forward firing, four times the bomb-load)!

- They were used in operations behind Russian lines

 

Does anyone know more about the operations of these units? Did they ever do artillery spotting (a possible alternative to the Fi-156 and Fw-189)?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

11 hours ago, Avimimus said:

All of those lakes make me really want a float plane (of some sort, of any sort)!

Somebody should make a list with all possible float planes that might fit the Karelia theater.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by FlyingShark

[JG4_Moltke1871]

11 hours ago, Avimimus said:

All of those lakes make me really want a float plane (of some sort, of any sort)!

 

The bush pilot in me comes out!

Btw, is „Il2 submarine-crew“ already in work? 😜

 

[GasTeddy]

7 hours ago, Avimimus said:

So, I just realised - Finland not only operated 15 Ar-196 but...

- They were more heavily armed than the German versions (one 12.7mm and two 20mm cannons forward firing, four times the bomb-load)!

- They were used in operations behind Russian lines

 

Does anyone know more about the operations of these units? Did they ever do artillery spotting (a possible alternative to the Fi-156 and Fw-189)?

 

That picture is certainly not from Finland, even the page claims it to be from Vyborg bay.  Rather from Norway, but Arados w/ Finnish insignia never operated there. Photoshop.

 

[Avimimus]

41 minutes ago, GasTeddy said:

 

That picture is certainly not from Finland, even the page claims it to be from Vyborg bay.  Rather from Norway, but Arados w/ Finnish insignia never operated there. Photoshop.

 

 

Ah! Yes, looking at the photo it is very suspicious.

 

The question is: Is the textual information related to Finnish use of the Ar-196 also incorrect?

[Dead4Tetris]

15 hours ago, LLv44_Damixu said:

I believe the Murmansk map hobbyist work was halted about 3-4 years ago. So no hope to see Northern Norway as a mission map any time soon.

Ahhh okay  Karelia looking great though

[GasTeddy]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Ah! Yes, looking at the photo it is very suspicious.

 

The question is: Is the textual information related to Finnish use of the Ar-196 also incorrect?

 

Most probably yes, as Finnish Air Force archives claim, only 3 Ar196s were used, 1943-1944, in German markings. Never seen Ar 196 in Finnish colors and history of mentioned TLe.Lv.12 & TLe.Lv.14 does not mention Arados at all.

[Heliopause]

Just some info and pics of Fokker D21 in thread:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29666-fokker-d21/#comment-1277106

[Avimimus]

On 12/4/2024 at 12:55 PM, GasTeddy said:

Most probably yes, as Finnish Air Force archives claim, only 3 Ar196s were used, 1943-1944, in German markings. Never seen Ar 196 in Finnish colors and history of mentioned TLe.Lv.12 & TLe.Lv.14 does not mention Arados at all.

 

Thank you! I'm so used to looking for AI art I can't believe I let my guard down enough to be taken in by an old school photoshop... and not a very expert one at that! I guess it is easy to believe what one wants to believe if one is in a rush! Apologies all around. Of course, I'd be interested in any more information on the use of those Arados which did exist - they're neat planes.

[LLv44_Kanttori]

Introducing the upcoming Fiat G.50 fighter 3D model

Our Italian professional 3D modeler Alessandro Schimicci has completed the external 3D model of the Fiat G.50 fighter, here are some pictures of it. More fighter planes of the Finnish Air Force are coming later. The Fiat G.50 was used in both the Winter War and the Continuation War. You can find more information and pictures about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.50_Freccia

https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Fiat-G50/FAF.html

 

 

 

 

[Missionbug]

Great to actually see one of the aircraft intended for this theater, beautiful, congratulations to the modeller on a job well done.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[CzechTexan]

Surprising to see new aircraft coming!  New maps and new aircraft are keeping things interesting and exciting for Great Battles.

[LW_Pilot777]

Fantastic looking model  that`s the spirit 😄 ... is there any chence to MS406 looking as good as this Fiat ? Best Wishes !!!  

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by LW_Pilot777

[Viktor33_33]

Cool! When are you going to show Brewster?

Edited December 23, 2024 by Viktor33_33

[Avimimus]

A nice Christmas surprise! I do hope that it ends up being relatively straightforward meeting all of the specifications, and development/import goes smoothly. Looking forward to this!

[sevenless]

Yes! 👍

[Nickkyboy99]

G.50.. can't wait!!!! 

 

 

[Hemuwi]

On 12/3/2024 at 1:00 PM, Avimimus said:

All of those lakes make me really want a float plane (of some sort, of any sort)!

 

The bush pilot in me comes out!

Yeah I would love to have for example Junkers W 34 to transport "long-range patrols" behind enemy lines.

 

Spoiler

 

Edited January 3 by LukeFF
Swastikas

[Avimimus]

4 hours ago, Hemuwi said:

Yeah I would love to have for example Junkers W 34 to transport "long-range patrols" behind enemy lines.

 

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I'd love that myself! The aviation museum where I grew up in Canada had a Junkers W.34 Bushplane!

[ITAF_Rani]

 

 

Edited January 10 by ITAF_Rani

[DBFlyguy]

On 12/22/2024 at 4:27 AM, LLv44_Kanttori said:

Introducing the upcoming Fiat G.50 fighter 3D model

Our Italian professional 3D modeler Alessandro Schimicci has completed the external 3D model of the Fiat G.50 fighter, here are some pictures of it. More fighter planes of the Finnish Air Force are coming later. The Fiat G.50 was used in both the Winter War and the Continuation War. You can find more information and pictures about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.50_Freccia

https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Fiat-G50/FAF.html

 

 

 

 

If you guys are still looking for modellers for the the other aircraft you'd like to do for this, have you considered expanding your searches to other communities like MSFS and DCS, places like r/hoggit, r/flightsim, r/msfs2000, r/msfs2024 on reddit.  The FSDdeveloper forums etc... just a suggestion. 

[357th_KW]

On 10/11/2024 at 10:54 PM, LLv44_Kanttori said:

WE ARE LOOKING FOR 3D MODELERS FOR THE FAF WARBIRDS BELOW!

Our Finnish KarttaKomppania now also has an "Airplane Factory" whose primary purpose is to produce Finnish fighters and bombers for the map of Karelia. I agreed with Daniel "Han" Tuseev last September that we can make as many aircrafts of the Finnish Air Force as we see necessary when we recruit professional 3D modelers for them.
 

The first picture shows the fighters and bombers that will be made very first: Brewster 239 (project started in October 2022), Fiat G.50 (project started in October 2024), Curtiss Hawk 75A and Fokker D.XXI, and of course the Bristol Blenheim Mk. IV bomber and reconnaissance plane.
 

The world's only Brewster has already been accurately photographed for photogrammetric modeling and the Finnish Air Force Museum's original factory drawings has been obtained for it. The Fiat original factory drawings (samples below) have also been delivered to our new Italian professional modeler, Luce. Fokker D.XXI and Blenheim Mk. IV are waiting at the FAF Museum.  The Curtiss Hawk 75 A-1 is a airworthy museum plane in the Fighter Collection, Duxford Airfield - England. The original factory drawings needed to model them can be obtained from our FAF Museum as soon as the creators have been found.

KarttaKompania also has a spec General requirements for single-seat aircraft list provided by 1CGS, which is delivered to our modelers. The original factory drawings of the Finnish warbirds and all the data needed for the flight models can be obtained from the Finnish Air Force Museum. We forward the airplane drawings to their modelers and also deliver the original factory data needed for the flight models and, above all, the Finnish test flight data to 1C Game Studios. 1CGS professionals make flight models for each FAF plane, from which a valid 3D model with cockpits has been obtained. Please note that here we use specifically and only genuine data delivered from the FAF Museum.

If you are interested in this modeling job, please contact me privately here in IL-2 Forum on Discord where I am called like here LLv44_Kanttori. At the same time, you have to deliver pictures of completed airplanes or other complex devices that have already been modeled - without work samples, it is pointless to offer to work.

The first picture above shows the current production situation of the "FAF Aircraft Factory" and these pictures show samples of Fiat's drawings.

Before the rugged exterior of the Fiat makes you smile please notice that the Fiat relatively achieved the most victories in the real air combat situations of the Finnish Continuation War. Each Fiat shot down by an enemy pilot cost the other side 44 Fiats shot down - so the ratio was 44:1.  For Brewster, the number was 32:1 and for Bf 109 G "Mersu", 25:1. 



The rest of the pictures below are from the wonderful 3D models of our new 3D-modeling expert LUCE, who started last week, for the DSC sim. Since Luce is Italian, of course he makes their beloved and beautifully ugly Fiat! 😍

 

 

 

It’s amazing that you guys are building the aircraft to flesh out this map!  Are you focusing solely on Finnish aircraft, or is there a possibility of seeing some of the Russian aircraft from this theater as well?  Stuff like the SB and DB-3 or lend-lease aircraft like the Hurricane Mk I or P-40 B/C?

 

[LLv44_Kanttori]

17 hours ago, 357th_KW said:

 

 

It’s amazing that you guys are building the aircraft to flesh out this map!  Are you focusing solely on Finnish aircraft, or is there a possibility of seeing some of the Russian aircraft from this theater as well?  Stuff like the SB and DB-3 or lend-lease aircraft like the Hurricane Mk I or P-40 B/C?

 

We are looking for modelers only for the missing and important aircraft of the Finnish Air Force. The aircraft situation of the Soviet Air Force is good enough at the moment.

[Avimimus]

On 1/28/2025 at 9:31 AM, LLv44_Kanttori said:

We are looking for modelers only for the missing and important aircraft of the Finnish Air Force. The aircraft situation of the Soviet Air Force is good enough at the moment.

 

Hypothetically, if a modeller volunteered who only wanted to make one of the Soviet or German aircraft on your original list - would you turn them down?

[LLv44_Kanttori]

On 2/19/2025 at 4:52 PM, Avimimus said:

Hypothetically, if a modeller volunteered who only wanted to make one of the Soviet or German aircraft on your original list - would you turn them down?

Of course not if there is a use for that warbird on our map.

[Avimimus]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:00 PM, LLv44_Kanttori said:

Of course not if there is a use for that warbird on our map.

 

I figure that some people might be willing to put in the hours, but only for a plane they are obsessed with. So, I thought the clarification might be useful (even if it isn't that likely that someone will come forward).

 

As for me - my hopes are more that you'll find a way to add some kind of Axis warship (to act as a counterpart to the Russian and American destroyers) - and possibly a PTRD team or some infantry/machine gun positions (to complement the British/American infantry). Either of those would be very neat additions to have.

 

[YoYo]

https://il2sturmovik.com/news/872/dev-blog-367/

 

Why in the last blog no one mentioned about planes for Karelia map? From what has been mentioned, we will receive the map at the end of the year, togheter with Odessa map.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, YoYo said:

https://il2sturmovik.com/news/872/dev-blog-367/

 

Why in the last blog no one mentioned about planes for Karelia map? From what has been mentioned, we will receive the map at the end of the year, togheter with Odessa map.

 

Official word is that the module won't include any of the Finnish aircraft (only the eight aircraft which are announced for Odessa). Any Finnish aircraft will presumably be released as Collector Planes or as a separate mini-DLC later.

 

This makes a lot of sense as it allows the third parties to go at their own pace. It also is consistent with the overall pattern of not announcing presales until just before release (when timelines and features are more predictable).

 

I'm sure the actual KarttaKomppania people can shed more light on the situation, this is just what I've inferred.

[LW_Pilot777]

2 hours ago, YoYo said:

Why in the last blog no one mentioned about planes for Karelia map?

 

Good question

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, YoYo said:

https://il2sturmovik.com/news/872/dev-blog-367/

 

Why in the last blog no one mentioned about planes for Karelia map? From what has been mentioned, we will receive the map at the end of the year, togheter with Odessa map.

 

And BlackSix already answered your question and you responded to his reply in the main dev blog discussion topic. 🙂

[YoYo]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

And BlackSix already answered your question and you responded to his reply in the main dev blog discussion topic. 🙂

 

Hi Luke! He replied regarding the Odessa package. Now that is clear but I wonder about the discrepancy in the case of Karelia.

The information is that the maps will probably come out together. So can we understand that these planes for the Karelia map will appear separately, as "Collector planes" or as a separate package - DLC for Karelia map? But it won't be together with the Karelia map as before with the other titles? This is still a mystery to me.