Belgium

[deathmisser]

I got a friend that want's to know how much Belgium stuff is in/ coming in IL-2.

So far I counted three aircraft.

[Jaegermeister]

For WWI there is a small amount of the Belgian area of operations on the FCII map and 3 Belgian airfields. They were used by the British who were responsible for the area as far north as Ypres, but they are in Belgium. I found this with a quick internet search, I have not verified it.

 

In April 1919 the Aviation Militaire (Belgian Air Force) had eight squadrons, three of them fighter squadrons, including these types of aircraft: Harriot H.D.1s, Sopwith Camels, Nieuport XVIIs, Spad VIIs, and Fokker D. VIIs. 

Those planes are all represented in IL2 Flying Circus.

 

In WWII a large part of the Rhineland (BoBP) map and many airfields are in Belgium.

 

in 1938 20 Hawker Hurricane I fighters were delivered. Then in March 1939 80 Hurricanes were license built. The Belgian Hurricanes were armed with 4 .50 caliber machine guns, though original British design had 8 .303 caliber machine guns. On the day of the invasion the DAT had 11 groups containing 73 squadrons stationed at Deurne, Goetsenhoven, Bierset, Schaffen, Nivelles, and Evere Air Force Bases.

 

During WWII Belgians flew Spitfires with 349 and 350 squadron RAF. 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Jaegermeister

[MajorMagee]

Belgium Is Coming, But Not Here

[PatrickAWlson]

19 hours ago, MajorMagee said:

Belgium Is Coming, But Not Here

 

Not so fast.  PWCG has 2 Belgian squadrons available now with more to come when the map expands.  Two scout units and two recon.  The scout unit flies the Nieuport, then the Hanriot, and finally the Camel.  The observation unit flies the Farman (FE2b in drag), Strutter (when it becomes available) and Breguet.

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 12/11/2023 at 3:56 AM, Jaegermeister said:

 

in 1938 20 Hawker Hurricane I fighters were delivered. Then in March 1939 80 Hurricanes were license built. The Belgian Hurricanes were armed with 4 .50 caliber machine guns, though original British design had 8 .303 caliber machine guns.

 

 

This I did not know. Much obliged to you. 4 x .5s is a better armament and while I understand why the UK continued the .303 it would have been better to make the jump and adopt the larger weapon.

[kestrel79]

Never knew the 4 x .50 call setup on the Hurris. That's pretty cool. How did they fair against the Germans?

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, kestrel79 said:

Never knew the 4 x .50 call setup on the Hurris. That's pretty cool. How did they fair against the Germans?

 

Most of the Belgian Hurricanes never got off the ground before being bombed.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Sadly no chocolate, waffles or pomme frits will be modelled.

Edited December 12, 2023 by -TBC-AeroAce

[PatrickAWlson]

19 hours ago, -TBC-AeroAce said:

Sadly no chocolate, waffles or pomme frits will be modelled.

 

Pomme frits on a waffle covered in chocolate - Yummy!

[Trooper117]

19 hours ago, -TBC-AeroAce said:

Sadly no chocolate, waffles or pomme frits will be modelled.

 

Good job as well... how many fat overweight WWI scout pilots have you seen!

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Good job as well... how many fat overweight WWI scout pilots have you seen!

Gőring and a few other senior officers in Luftwaffe was not exactly proportional 

[Trooper117]

He wasn't a big fat knacker as a WWI pilot, weight was an important factor in early scout aircraft...

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Trooper117

[Lusekofte]

Yes I know. But you did not specify 

[Jaegermeister]

On 12/13/2023 at 3:32 PM, Trooper117 said:

He wasn't a big fat knacker as a WWI pilot, weight was an important factor in early scout aircraft...

 

 

They didn't like him then either...

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 12/13/2023 at 6:27 PM, Trooper117 said:

 

Good job as well... how many fat overweight WWI scout pilots have you seen!

They started off trim, but teaching nuns home economics can really start to pile on the pounds.

[Soilworker]

On 12/13/2023 at 9:32 PM, Trooper117 said:

He wasn't a big fat knacker as a WWI pilot, weight was an important factor in early scout aircraft...

 

 

I think the bigger factor is that the Central Powers (well, at least Germany) were nearly starving by 1918... 

[EAF19_Marsh]

2 hours ago, Soilworker said:

 

I think the bigger factor is that the Central Powers (well, at least Germany) were nearly starving by 1918... 

 

I doubt that, compared to many, he was quite as starving.

 

If you read the accounts of RFC pilots, they seemed to have had a few large meals a week and much the rest was alcohol. Particularly during periods like Spring 1918 when the more traditional values had died with the older men and life became a little more cold and brutal.. 24-year olds running squadrons in 1918 does not make for a 'Wellness' culture.

[Soilworker]

6 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

I doubt that, compared to many, he was quite as starving.

 

If you read the accounts of RFC pilots, they seemed to have had a few large meals a week and much the rest was alcohol. Particularly during periods like Spring 1918 when the more traditional values had died with the older men and life became a little more cold and brutal.. 24-year olds running squadrons in 1918 does not make for a 'Wellness' culture.

 

Well RFC is a totally different story but seeing as the German civilians had survived "The Turnip Winter" in '16 to '17 and worse the following winter and the troops were struggling to find food I highly doubt the pilots were having 3 square meals a day. ?