Developer blog #353: Flying Circus map and aircraft updates, Waco glider news

[IckyATLAS]

7 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

The airship carried fighters was a 1920s thing. 

Oups! sorry for that. Let's remain with bombs and other throwable stuff then.

[JFM]

22 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Work on FC4 it sounds like has begun that's all... We have already been informed that there will be no seaplanes, no channel map, no WWI Eastern Front map or planes, no plans for the other Albatros D.II Late that is missing, no FM improvements planned etc... 

 

At least we'll have the seasons, I'm happy for that! Although, as per the new screenshots, those winter trees are the worst. Just like ROF, fully-leafed deciduous trees in winter? I don't think so. Fortunately, a guy made a mod for RoF that removed the leaves to reveal the bare trunks/branches. I assume/hope the same mod becomes available for ROF.  

[JG4_Moltke1871]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

Oups! sorry for that. Let's remain with bombs and other throwable stuff then.

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 11/25/2023 at 5:59 PM, Rhan_N_Singh said:

Did anyone else notice something peculiar in this last line?  " ...the work on recreating a bit more of the WWI land-based aircraft in the world of "Great Battles" will continue in the near future, the work on it has already begun."   The statement of land-based aircraft...  Why state "Land-based"?  To me this would appear as a hint that the long awaited sea-based aircraft are in the works??

 

I beseech thee to confirm my hopes and dreams of returning to sea planes, the like of which I have not seen since the original IL-2 games.?

 

Yeah, I was also a bit puzzled by that.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, JFM said:

At least we'll have the seasons, I'm happy for that! Although, as per the new screenshots, those winter trees are the worst. Just like ROF, fully-leafed deciduous trees in winter? I don't think so. Fortunately, a guy made a mod for RoF that removed the leaves to reveal the bare trunks/branches. I assume/hope the same mod becomes available for ROF.  

 

The map is still very much a work in progress, so it's best to withhold judgment until you have the finished article in your hands. ?

[szelljr]

...the best winter map it is  in RDR2 !!  ?.   

[PatrickAWlson]

On 11/25/2023 at 12:42 PM, Trooper117 said:

 

Work on FC4 it sounds like has begun that's all... We have already been informed that there will be no seaplanes, no channel map, no WWI Eastern Front map or planes, no plans for the other Albatros D.II Late that is missing, no FM improvements planned etc... 

 

I thought the rest of the planes were going to be sold as collector planes - i.e. no FC4, just more planes.

[migmadmarine]

They have used the term FC 4 in the past, but it seemed like this referred to a remaining set of collector planes, which may or may not be sold as a pack

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Are there plans to create single player missions for the Waco glider like operation Tonga or include em into the career mode?

How about German gliders? I read about that DSF 230 or Gotha 242 was used in eastern front supply missions so it should be possible implement em in a historical context into the game. I really think a German glider is necessary also to create similar tasks for online servers.

On the images a Gotha 242 in 1942 in Cholm, Russia.

 

[sevenless]

15 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

The map is still very much a work in progress, so it's best to withhold judgment until you have the finished article in your hands. ?

 

We also need coniferous trees! Western europe forests are 50% coniferous trees. Rhineland, Normandy and the FC maps right now have none. Just take them from the moscow map and implement them. Shouldnt be that hard to do.

 

Forest (europa.eu)

 

Tree species distribution data and maps for Europe - Publications Office of the EU (europa.eu)

 

SoEF_2020.pdf (foresteurope.org)

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by sevenless

[Juri_JS]

30 minutes ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

How about German gliders? I read about that DSF 230 or Gotha 242 was used in eastern front supply missions so it should be possible implement em in a historical context into the game. I really think a German glider is necessary also to create similar tasks for online servers.

On the images a Gotha 242 in 1942 in Cholm, Russia.

I agree, in my opinion German gliders would be more interesting, because they were not just used during airborne landings but also saw wide spread use during supply operations (Kuban bridgehead, Budapest, Cholm, Demyansk, Velikie Luki, etc.). Moreover Stuka units used gliders during transfers to transport their equippment.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Though about Waco the glider, flying behind enemy lines as is it normal operation and  can't fly it back to friendly territory.

How to use it the multiplayer scenario and not end up as "captured"  after finishing the mission ? Do we need new exceptional mechanic for that to be implemented or used?

[EAF19_Marsh]

Cannot wait to shoot down a Ta-152 in my Waco.

[JFM]

20 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

The map is still very much a work in progress, so it's best to withhold judgment until you have the finished article in your hands. ?

Okay, good point. ?

[kraut1]

5 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

I agree, in my opinion German gliders would be more interesting, because they were not just used during airborne landings but also saw wide spread use during supply operations (Kuban bridgehead, Budapest, Cholm, Demyansk, Velikie Luki, etc.). Moreover Stuka units used gliders during transfers to transport their equippment.

and the area of Fort Eben Emael is on the Rhineland map available too...

[BlitzPig_EL]

Guys, I think some of you may be confusing the Waco glider with a sailplane.  I don't know what it's fully loaded glide ratio is, but once detached from the tow aircraft I suspect you had better be looking for a spot to put it down immediately.

It's not a Schweizer after all.  You won't be catching thermals and staying aloft for long at all.  It's really just a controlled descent cargo landing pod.  A U-Haul rental trailer with wings.

Edited November 27, 2023 by BlitzPig_EL

[EAF19_Marsh]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

You won't be catching thermals and staying aloft for long at all.  It's really just a controlled descent cargo landing pod.  A U-Haul rental trailer with wings.

 

I think you underestimate my gliding abilities...

[R33GZ]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I don't know what it's fully loaded glide ratio is

Similar to throwing a brick out the window I suspect. You'd need a roaring forest fire to extract any thermal climb out of that crate

[Blitzen]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Guys, I think some of you may be confusing the Waco glider with a sailplane.  I don't know what it's fully loaded glide ratio is, but once detached from the tow aircraft I suspect you had better be looking for a spot to put it down immediately.

It's not a Schweizer after all.  You won't be catching thermals and staying aloft for long at all.  It's really just a controlled descent cargo landing pod.  A U-Haul rental trailer with wings.

It probably picks it's own spot to crash,.

[Gunfreak]

3 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

I think you underestimate my gliding abilities...

 

[migmadmarine]

5 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Guys, I think some of you may be confusing the Waco glider with a sailplane.  I don't know what it's fully loaded glide ratio is, but once detached from the tow aircraft I suspect you had better be looking for a spot to put it down immediately.

It's not a Schweizer after all.  You won't be catching thermals and staying aloft for long at all.  It's really just a controlled descent cargo landing pod.  A U-Haul rental trailer with wings.

according to a guy called Budd Davidson "We could actually thermal the thing in Texas, and with a normal load it had a glide ratio around 12:1.", which is quite impressive given what the thing is. I assume the thermaling statement is with minimum load. 

12 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Are there plans to create single player missions for the Waco glider like operation Tonga or include em into the career mode?

How about German gliders? I read about that DSF 230 or Gotha 242 was used in eastern front supply missions so it should be possible implement em in a historical context into the game. I really think a German glider is necessary also to create similar tasks for online servers.

On the images a Gotha 242 in 1942 in Cholm, Russia.

 

For these supply missions, what sorts of location were they delivering to? Just places with no formal airfields or reliable roads?

[Juri_JS]

13 minutes ago, migmadmarine said:

For these supply missions, what sorts of location were they delivering to? Just places with no formal airfields or reliable roads?

That depended on the situation. In the Kuban bridgehead and in the Demyansk pocket gliders landed at regular airfields. At Velikie Luki and Cholm at improvised landing zones.

[kraut1]

55 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

That depended on the situation. In the Kuban bridgehead and in the Demyansk pocket gliders landed at regular airfields. At Velikie Luki and Cholm at improvised landing zones.

If you find a sufficient flat zone, it is possible to design an improvised airfield / landing zone. I do that sometimes for EasyMissionGenerator, these airfields can be used for automatic mission generation:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/83844-papua-new-guinea-4244-for-easy-mission-generator-part1b-1942update-12052023/

 

[ACG_Bussard]

 

 

Any news in this matter? It's been now over 2 month.

[EAF19_Marsh]

13 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

 

i have the high gr…..oh cack!

[J99_Sizzlorr]

On 11/27/2023 at 9:13 AM, sevenless said:

 

We also need coniferous trees! Western europe forests are 50% coniferous trees. Rhineland, Normandy and the FC maps right now have none. Just take them from the moscow map and implement them. Shouldnt be that hard to do.

 

Forest (europa.eu)

 

Tree species distribution data and maps for Europe - Publications Office of the EU (europa.eu)

 

SoEF_2020.pdf (foresteurope.org)

 

I also hoped for more green, yellow and red in those autumn trees. For reference there are some photos from the Somme Valley on this web page in autumn 2016 (in the beginning of November):

http://www.dergrossewagen.eu/index.php/reisen-ab-2013/somme-2016.html
 

And this is what fresh fallen snow looks like in central europe:

Edited November 28, 2023 by J99_Sizzlorr

[J99_Sizzlorr]

Some more reference for autumn foilage in central Germany:

 

 

And some summer reference (south Germany):

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by J99_Sizzlorr

[LukeFF]

12 hours ago, Bussard* said:

 

 

Any news in this matter? It's been now over 2 month.

 

See Gavrick's reply here: 

 

[IckyATLAS]

If WWII is terminated I hope at least they will make it easier to access the internals for modders or those who would like to improve the sim. That would extend the life of the sim for the next 20 years ? 

 

[JG27_Steini]

14 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

If WWII is terminated I hope at least they will make it easier to access the internals for modders or those who would like to improve the sim. That would extend the life of the sim for the next 20 years ? 

 

 

I hope not. For many life of old IL2 ended as you had to manage multiple versions of mods/game folders to fly together. 

[Zooropa_Fly]

2 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

If WWII is terminated I hope at least they will make it easier to access the internals for modders or those who would like to improve the sim. That would extend the life of the sim for the next 20 years ? 

 

 

If RoF is anything to go by, I don't see this happening for a long time..

[rodgerdavies]

Real shame if this will be the end of WWII content as personally I feel this is what SP mode AI is best with. But going out with the IAR80 will be on a high, and hopefully another third-party solution or two can be found there. I hope the team can produce a bit of IAR preview material to watch/read.

Edited November 29, 2023 by rodgerdavies

[JG27_Steini]

21 minutes ago, rodgerdavies said:

Real shame if this will be the end of WWII content as personally I feel this is what SP mode AI is best with. But going out with the IAR80 will be on a high, and hopefully another third-party solution or two can be found there. I hope the team can produce a bit of IAR preview material to watch/read.

 

Sometimes i think people live in another dimension then i do where AI is really great. How do i get there?

Edited November 29, 2023 by JG27_Steini

[Jokili68]

Will there be other purchaseable aircraft for “Flying Circus” like “Rise of Flight”?

[parkerc341]

With the release of the IAR will we get Romanian Pilot names and comms? I seem to remember that Italian comms were planned too, what ever happened to those?

[Lusekofte]

I will not buy any fc stuff until channel map are planned and we get the seaplanes. Those was what I used in ROF together with hp 400 and Gotha. And latter are useless until ai gunners actually do something 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I will not buy any fc stuff until channel map are planned and we get the seaplanes. Those was what I used in ROF together with hp 400 and Gotha. And latter are useless until ai gunners actually do something 

 

The Channel map and seaplanes are not planned for inclusion into FC.

 

2 hours ago, rodgerdavies said:

Real shame if this will be the end of WWII content as personally I feel this is what SP mode AI is best with. But going out with the IAR80 will be on a high, and hopefully another third-party solution or two can be found there. I hope the team can produce a bit of IAR preview material to watch/read.

 

There are still 3 more WWII planes planned for 2024: the I-153, Spitfire IXc, and the Ta 152. 

 

1 hour ago, parkerc341 said:

With the release of the IAR will we get Romanian Pilot names and comms? I seem to remember that Italian comms were planned too, what ever happened to those?

 

Italian comms I don't ever recall being planned. I'll try to find out about the Romanian pilot names and comms.

[Blitzen]

4 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

The Channel map and seaplanes are not planned for inclusion into FC.

 

 

There are still 3 more WWII planes planned for 2024: the I-153, Spitfire IXc, and the Ta 152. 

 

 

Italian comms I don't ever recall being planned. I'll try to find out about the Romanian pilot names and comms.

 

Oh Boy the I-153! 

( with skis perhaps?)

Edited November 29, 2023 by Blitzen

[LukeFF]

So regarding the IAR80: for right now it will use the German pilot model, names, and voices, like the MC202. Whether that will change in the future is not known right now.

[354thFG_Leifr]

48 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Italian comms I don't ever recall being planned. I'll try to find out about the Romanian pilot names and comms.

 

Probably came off the back of a Jason comment somewhere, I recall him making one regarding the voices.

He's also said in the Combat Pilot Discord that Italy, as a faction, was a particular focus of his prior to leaving.