Mission statement...

[Trooper117]

Operation ''Close as many threads as possible'' is well underway... a spokesman from the Closure Cabinet has announced that any more threads that appear to be going around in circles will be stopped if it exceeds 20 or more pages.

Further to that, the forum is  rumoured to be patrolled by a special squad, hunting down anyone who is reported to be posting in a circular manner...

[BladeMeister]

Dammit Luke! Now where are we going to speculate and bitch about the unannounced new theater, game,...errr thing that we know positively nothing about? What a waste of 20+ pages of glorious nothing.

Oh well, onward and upward. IBTL

 

S!Blade<><

[Guest deleted@219798]

That squad used to headed by the Man in Black "Mr Smith".

[Trooper117]

3 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Oh well, onward and upward. IBTL

 

Rubbish... I made doubly sure I was typing as straight as possible and never went near a circle 

[LukeFF]

You guys can always start a new topic. ? But, if it goes off the rails into lalaland, expect the padlock to come out.

[ITAF_Rani]

Damn Luke tell us something....we are going mad !!

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Damn Luke tell us something....we are going mad !!

 

Work is progressing along very nicely, that's all I can say right now.

[ACG_Bussard]

Very ingenious to make a mockery of it now. Was pretty obvious, wrote it in the closed one exactly a week ago. ?

 

On behalf of 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Bussard*

[ITAF_Rani]

4 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Work is progressing along very nicely, that's all I can say right now.

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

Options:

 

a) State that there is a new project, reveal nothing about it and hope that people might buy it.

 

b) State that there is a new project, provide initial details about it and try to generate enthusiasm so that people might be interested and encouraged to buy it.

 

I am still struggling to understand the logic of a)

[Trooper117]

Only time will tell mate!

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Options:

 

a) State that there is a new project, reveal nothing about it and hope that people might buy it.

 

b) State that there is a new project, provide initial details about it and try to generate enthusiasm so that people might be interested and encouraged to buy it.

 

I am still struggling to understand the logic of a)

It’s actually pretty easy to understand.  If the next project is something that interests you, then you will probably buy it.  If it does not interest you, then you probably won’t buy it.  When they tell you what the next project is probably won’t change either of those decisions.

[ST_Catchov]

It's simpler than that. People just like to whine. About what, matters not.

[R33GZ]

3 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

I am still struggling to understand the logic of a)

It's the same as a child telling someone "I know something you don't and I'm not telling" I own two of them... it's what they do to each other to periodically wind themselves up.

 

Now that I think about it.... maybe I should tell them to stop engaging in 1CGS marketing techniques!

[EAF19_Marsh]

7 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

It’s actually pretty easy to understand.  If the next project is something that interests you, then you will probably buy it.  If it does not interest you, then you probably won’t buy it.  When they tell you what the next project is probably won’t change either of those decisions.

 
Nope. As indicated by trillions spent annually on marketing, generating awareness and interest increases probability of a purchase among many undecided consumers. There is an obvious middle ground of ‘swing buyers’.

 

Why do you think DCS developers amongst others spend so much time on this?

 

I rather suspect it is derived in part from the 2023 team culture. And they are missing an opportunity. A full feature list is not needed at this stage, but indicating the direction of movement would be the beginning of growing awareness. People that do not frequent here would likely see it on Stormbirds and similar. That’s how marketing works.

[Zooropa_Fly]

9 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

It's simpler than that. People just like to whine. About what, matters not.

 

pffft I know, somebody'll be moaning about the size of their windscreen before you know it.

[BladeMeister]

I know something that 1C doesn't know! I know whether I will buy there unannounced product or not, but I am not telling  until next spring!

So there!

Two can play at this game!
Take that 1C!!!

 

S!Blade<><

[Lusekofte]

If I take my own attitude into account I have reach a point where I do not care. 
Not on purpose, interest has just dropped. 
I think I buy it, but I sont be in a hurry

[Robli]

I actually thought that Luke did a good job of creating buzz about the yet-to-be-announced title, but I also understand why it might had to be shut down in order not to create false hope and later disappointment. It is pretty clear that a lot of Korea fans will be disappointed, but the thread built up Korea hype. 

However shutting down active threads also leads towards that kind of empty void of disinterest.

[Trooper117]

2 minutes ago, Robli said:

It is pretty clear that a lot of WWII fans will be disappointed,

 

Just sorted that little mistake for you...

[ITAF_Rani]

To me, possible theaters and their possibility, are:

 

Late East 44/ 45        50%

Vietnam                      5%

Korea                          5%

Med/N. Africa 43      15%

Early Pcific                 25%

Edited November 16, 2023 by ITAF_Rani

[Trooper117]

41 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Late East 44/ 45        50%

 

Ha!... waste of time, you just know that is just not going to happen mate...

[Koziolek]

23 hours ago, LukeFF said:

You guys can always start a new topic. ? But, if it goes off the rails into lalaland, expect the padlock to come out.

What if we start a topic about lalaland and keep it there? ?

[IckyATLAS]

lalla la lalala lallalalla la la la lalla la laaaaaaaaaaa

[BraveSirRobin]

12 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 
Nope. 

lol

 

You didn’t respond to anything in my post.  Because you know I am right.  They’ll promote it when they have something ready to promote.

 

People complain about vaporware.  Then they complain when a company won’t give them vaporware.  Basically people just like to complain.

They already gave away part of the game when they said that they’re modeling a new type of ammo.  That probably means API.  Which probably means Korea.

[Lusekofte]

19 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

It’s actually pretty easy to understand.  If the next project is something that interests you, then you will probably buy it.  If it does not interest you, then you probably won’t buy it.  When they tell you what the next project is probably won’t change either of those decisions.

King of words. 
I think we do not need to discuss anything here anymore. Because he is right. We will buy it if there is the slightest interest in what they serve. 
Only difference to me is punishing them by not pre order. I will wait for the product is finished.  
Unless there is a particular ac coming along I do want access to. And of course my well known strong character  is up for the pressure. 

[R33GZ]

56 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

That probably means API.  Which probably means Korea.

API was used by US .50 calibre in WW2. It's one reason American airmen had such good results against IJN/IJAAF fuel tanks

[BraveSirRobin]

4 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

King of words. 
I think we do not need to discuss anything here anymore. Because he is right. We will buy it if there is the slightest interest in what they serve. 
Only difference to me is punishing them by not pre order. I will wait for the product is finished.  
Unless there is a particular ac coming along I do want access to. And of course my well known strong character  is up for the pressure. 

 

lol.  You will probably be the first person to get your pre-order processed.  I feel confident that whoever tallies the orders of DCS aircraft will support my opinion here.  You can’t help yourself.  (neither can I)

3 hours ago, R33GZ said:

API was used by US .50 calibre in WW2. It's one reason American airmen had such good results against IJN/IJAAF fuel tanks

I’m aware of that.  But they’re probably not doing North Africa.  Or Pacific.  Or Italy.  That pretty much leaves Korea as the most likely reason to have to implement API.

[Gambit21]

11 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

To me, possible theaters and their possibility, are:

 

Late East 44/ 45        0%

Vietnam                      0%

Korea                          99.5%

Med/N. Africa 43      0%

Early Pcific                 0%

Option Rani didn't think of   .5%

 

Fixed it for you.

 

If you think there's any chance of Eastern Front, you haven't paid any attention to the history of the product, or you're smoking something.

 

...and yes "new ammunition" was also a huge tell.

[Jaegermeister]

So this thread is going to replace the random ramblings in the previous 22 page one we got kicked out of?

 

Here is some of the new ammo we should be expecting ...

 

 

[Gambit21]

Not to mention the two MiG 15 cannon rounds, (23 and 37mm) and if I read correctly, (and it's possible that I didn't so anyone please correct me) at least the 37mm was different than the WWII 37mm round?

Anyway, the "new ammunition" remark made me think of the MiG 15 first thing.

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Gambit21

[ITAF_Rani]

8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Fixed it for you.

 

If you think there's any chance of Eastern Front, you haven't paid any attention to the history of the product, or you're smoking something.

 

...and yes "new ammunition" was also a huge tell.

Gambit first calm down...I m not your friend,I don t know you, so watch you words...

So coming back to the thread  if you have cristal ball or you work in the developing team probably you can assure what you say...but to me seem no...

So at this point every thing could be...

All ideas from us( and from you also) are mere speculations...no real input have been sent from Devs till now, se everything could be...

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

15 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

lol

 

You didn’t respond to anything in my post.  Because you know I am right.  They’ll promote it when they have something ready to promote.

 

I  cannot 'know' what is incorrect. If you were, and you are not, then there would be little point in most advertising campaign, effort to generate interest, items on sale etc. In fact, you are wrong for 3 main reasons:

 

1. People are not binary and a decision to procure may depend upon a lot of factors, some of them somewhat arbitrary

2. Generating interest in a subject, providing information, emphasising strengths and potential enjoyment is the cornerstone of the advertising industry and is exactly what is intended to cause potential buys to become actual buyers. As I said, this accounts for the trillions upon trillions of $ and billions of hours spent worldwide by companies for this very reason

3. In our subject de jour, advertising by games companies - for the reason stated above - is intense with the DCS developer efforts being an obvious example.

 

Your claim that was information was pointless because people either would or would not buy. You are quite wrong about this for the reasons stated above. DCS developers announce a new aircraft long before they have a lot of details to provide. This starts background interest and discussion - self-advertising - to a degree. This is a well-worn and usually quite successful principle. I am surprised that you do not understand this.

 

As for 'when they are ready', that is indeed their judgement to make but if after all this time they cannot at least say something then either they have a very different view of advertisement or progress is a little on the slow side.

 

BTW, beginning a post with 'lol' is not doing your argument any favours

[Lusekofte]

Oh boy. I hope you guys are wrong. 
I just feel Korea is totally indifferent to me. 
Matter of fact I like them to confirm it so I can stop hoovering here

[Jaegermeister]

29 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Oh boy. I hope you guys are wrong. 
I just feel Korea is totally indifferent to me. 
Matter of fact I like them to confirm it so I can stop hoovering here

 

It's not wrong. How can you stay away when we have the possibility of new adventures and planes to fly? I have heard this is definitely in the new program...

 

Spoiler

 

[Art-J]

Marsh, this advertizing mumbo-jumbo you're so bent on might work in non-gaming industries, or in AAA-gaming to some extent. It doesn't apply to flight sims, however, at least not in a sense you think it does.

 

By the way, DCS is not good example here. ED changed their policy on early project annoncements strictly to avoid separate devs stepping on each others' toes (as happened in the past with F-18 and L-39) rather than for any marketing reasons. What happened after each of these announcements was typical: initial spipke of interest, hype and dedicated forum-section traffic by guys who are super interested in specific aricraft, followed by steady drop of traffic and only occasional posts, mixed with "are we there yet" and "what takes so long" drivel, unavoidable when expected release date is really 2-3 years ahead at least.

 

For these reasons, no, undecided swing buyers don't give a damn about these projects and won't be until these 2-3 years pass and the release is actually "imminent" (meaning within 3-4 months). Then sure, everybody and their mother will talk about it: forums, reddit, Stormbirds etc. and indeed, that's when swing buyers may be taken by the hype-train and take the plunge (I've seen it after recent F-4E teaser vid, which caused some "naval-Phantom-only" radicals to actually preorder the USAF version after all). 

 

We're not there yet in "our" case, however. With upcoming project from 1C still being at least 1 year ahead (and that's a very optimistic speculaion on my part) publishing any info about the project right now cannot have any impact on purchasing decision. 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

4 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

As for 'when they are ready', that is indeed their judgement to make 

That’s really the only thing that matters. 
 

4 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

This starts background interest and discussion - self-advertising - to a degree.

We’ve had about 50 threads to discuss what the upcoming project will be.  So people are “self-advertising for them without them having to promote vaporware.  I’m surprised that you do not understand this.

[Lusekofte]

People do understand. Status now is, if there is no problems to hardware or software. There is nothing to discuss. 
We better face it, what this franchise has created and produced have pampered its customers. Something new around the corner all the time. And before finishing product we knew what next to come. 
If it will be Korea , my hope for pre and early war is flushed down the toilet. It only means that fast and heavy guns have won this franchise. My part of it is basically over.  
It is probably a good busyness but not for me. 
I won’t hold any of it against the developers, because they sure delivered in mass. Not always after my taste, but that is not a point

[Trooper117]

There wouldn't be this merry go round in thread after thread if the dev's just opened up and told you all what's coming... all the discussion would be on the new project instead of the bickering and sniping.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

5 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

There wouldn't be this merry go round in thread after thread if the dev's just opened up and told you all what's coming... all the discussion would be on the new project instead of the bickering and sniping.

Do you really think there isn’t going to be any bickering and sniping when they announce the next project?  Because that feels unlikely.