Developer blog #352: career and F.E.2b development update news, La-5 series flight model notes

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Well can someone tell me why floatplanes was not part of that conversion?

 

Without the WWI Channel map there really isn't much of a reason to bring over the float planes.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Bring the float planes and I will find a place to use them, be sure.

[MAJ_stug41]

sooo...WWI channel map when?

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

There are many significant to WW1 genere planes missing for FC /ROF . I hope devs made them and make a profit. Old and slow but very important to single player and good for multiplayer also. Plus engine variants to existing planes. Money to make, community will buy.

[Lusekofte]

42 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Without the WWI Channel map there really isn't much of a reason to bring over the float planes.

Typical, you had to bring facts and reasoning into a otherwise interesting conversation

[Monksilver]

9 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Does anyone ever look at the road map any more? ? 

You have to bear in mind how in this age of sat nav a lot of people have no understanding of maps.  Perhaps better to post an audio with a monotone voice saying "Prepare to fly the IAR-80 in 4 weeks ...."

[LukeFF]

26 minutes ago, Monksilver said:

You have to bear in mind how in this age of sat nav a lot of people have no understanding of maps.  Perhaps better to post an audio with a monotone voice saying "Prepare to fly the IAR-80 in 4 weeks ...."

 

At this point I think I'm pretty close to doing something like that. ?

[sgt_fresh]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

I think it's you that needs to 'deal with it'... so, you promote the game and purchased WWII stuff, so what?

There are many on here who have everything the devs have put out... they aren't whinging because WWII might have taken a back seat for awhile.

You are exactly what the developers want... someone who takes what is given to them. 2013 BoS is released with advertised expansion, no mention of ww1 spin offs.

[Vishnu]

16 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

Wrong. The devs have got it right as this pie chart indicates. Graphs can be open to interpretation, as has been discussed, but pie charts leave no doubt.

 

 

 

I prefer Venn diagrams.  

[Trooper117]

8 minutes ago, sgt_fresh said:

You are exactly what the developers want... someone who takes what is given to them.

 

I only take what I am interested in... I don't buy stuff 'to support the devs' ,  I like WWI, WWII, early jets (Korea), plus Vietnam air combat... I'm not stuck in a single time frame or type of game I play.

You can bet your granny when they do Korea I'll certainly get that as well. I also don't give a hoot if they never do another WWII module, I have so many other great flight sims I just don't care... if their stuff is good I'll get it, if not I won't buy it... I don't have all the collector planes for instance, because some of them I just won't ever fly. 

 

[AndyJWest]

[Trooper117]

1 minute ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Yes, but was that pie made in WWI or WWII... people get worked up about these things you know...  ?

[JG4_Moltke1871]

?Best solution would be the „new project“ called „Battle of Channel“ including floatplanes?

?The full power of the new projects game engine for WW1 aviation including complex engine management with fuel systems?

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, sgt_fresh said:

You are exactly what the developers want... someone who takes what is given to them. 2013 BoS is released with advertised expansion, no mention of ww1 spin offs.

 

It was mentioned years ago, officially, that Flying Circus would bring over most of the content from Rise of Flight in a series of volumes, plus occasional collector planes. It's nothing new or that should be seen as a surprise. As we come to the end of 2023, everything has been released according to the schedule shown in the roadmap. Again, no surprises. 

[Enceladus828]

A FC installment with the Channel Map or Eastern Front map is an instant buy for me.

[Yogiflight]

9 hours ago, Gavrick said:

But we'll finish it, of course.

Will you also make the fuel system of the A3 and A5 make work like the one in the A6 and A8, so the rear fuel tank gets emptied first and then the front tank instead of both simultaneously like it is now?

[MAJ_stug41]

32 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

Will you also make the fuel system of the A3 and A5 make work like the one in the A6 and A8, so the rear fuel tank gets emptied first and then the front tank instead of both simultaneously like it is now?

Do they do that? The fuel cock is always in the "feed from both tanks" position for me.

[ST_Catchov]

10 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Not quite as exited about the flying bathtub, still WW1 aviation is pretty cool. With cool planes. Except that bathtub .

Flying in WW1 servers is a refreshing expirience, make you start believing in human beans again even those you interact with online. A much more laid back and polite atmosphere

 

We're not crazy people. You know you'll fly the bathtub Luse. Stop fighting it. 

[ST_Catchov]

9 hours ago, sgt_fresh said:

The road map specificly mentions the tittle Flying Circus on it 3 times with 9 WW1 aircraft. WW2 Shows 6 aircraft / glider all collectors planes. That illustrates a big slant toward FC. With the last GB new theater release (BON) being on September of 2022, well over a year the term "back seat" is obvious. Again as a loyal player of the sim who promotes the game and has purchased most of the WW2 theaters, and some collectors planes there is a big concern.

 

Look I'm empathetic toward your concerns and feel your pain sgt_fresh but let's face it, 1CGS has done all they can in WWII, that's not already covered in Clod or 1946. But what of WW1 you ask? Well, there are many unexplored avenues to which they may venture. It seems many esteemed members of the WW1 community are already leaning toward the 'new project' encompassing the Channel Map, SE England and London, the Eastern Front, the Italian Map, floatplanes, zeps, giant German bombers, giant Russian bombers etc. The new engine will enable all this. And if that's the case, make it so. There is much to do.

[Yogiflight]

3 hours ago, MAJ_stug41 said:

Do they do that? The fuel cock is always in the "feed from both tanks" position for me.

This was for fuel safety. There was fuel pumped from both tanks, but the fuel, that was too much was lead back to the front fuel tank, so it stayed full until there was no fuel in the rear tank anymore. This is how the A6 and A8 are already modelled in game. The A3 and A5 were developed earlier with the fuel system working differently.

[sgt_fresh]

12 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

Look I'm empathetic toward your concerns and feel your pain sgt_fresh but let's face it, 1CGS has done all they can in WWII, that's not already covered in Clod or 1946. But what of WW1 you ask? Well, there are many unexplored avenues to which they may venture. It seems many esteemed members of the WW1 community are already leaning toward the 'new project' encompassing the Channel Map, SE England and London, the Eastern Front, the Italian Map, floatplanes, zeps, giant German bombers, giant Russian bombers etc. The new engine will enable all this. And if that's the case, make it so. There is much to do.

 

Thanks Catchov, I am all for game development. Again with another year passing no real progress has been alocated (that I know of)  toward a new theater for WW2. I see some accept what ever is given to them, and get triggered if anyone has any other thoughts, or you get another "LOOK AT THE ROAD MAP". It is far from that it is about getting the Dev's to support the WW2 guys, as that was what the original project was for. Thanks again for your reply.

[JFM]

IMO, Tank Crew was far more of a deviation than FC.
 

They have a new expansion of BOx coming and an entirely new sim coming. Will both be WW1? I highly doubt it. Will one be be Korea? Who knows? Will at least one be WW2? Likely. You just have to be patient (as possible) as the rest of us and see wtf falls out of the tree we’re shaking. Meanwhile, I like WW1 and WW2 and Korea, so whatever falls out: winning. 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

18 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

A FC installment with the Channel Map or Eastern Front map is an instant buy for me.

Me too

[JG4_Moltke1871]

1 hour ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Me too

☝?

[Blitzen]

Where might I find mor einformation on FC3...Somehow I've missed it..

[J2_Bidu]

Thanks for the Fee, such a lovely early bird.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

2 hours ago, Blitzen said:

Where might I find mor einformation on FC3...Somehow I've missed it..

Look here, information about FC3 and beyond 

https://il2sturmovik.com/news/794/dev-blog-342/

[danielprates]

On 11/11/2023 at 3:07 PM, Trooper117 said:

 

Yes, but was that pie made in WWI or WWII... people get worked up about these things you know...  ?

 

Telling figures indeed.

 

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Look here, information about FC3 and beyond 

https://il2sturmovik.com/news/794/dev-blog-342/

 

American towable glider (!) WACO CG-4A,

 

I still don't get it with this one. I mean, what might be the game value? Getting towed by a C47 and then gliding to a predetermined spot?

[JG4_Moltke1871]

53 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

American towable glider (!) WACO CG-4A,

 

I still don't get it with this one. I mean, what might be the game value? Getting towed by a C47 and then gliding to a predetermined spot?

Maybe about the same like the supply (cargo transport supply drops) and paratrooper missions on different online servers like TAW or Finnish virtual pilots. (I really enjoy em ?) I guess it will also find place in some transport unit missions in single player. 

[clouddancer]

A novel about the FE2b as a night bomber in WW1. written by my Father.

[PatrickAWlson]

On 11/11/2023 at 6:41 AM, sgt_fresh said:

Reality deal with it. Buy into something at 100 %, and get 40 % just look at the numbers. Great if you are a WW1 guy, do the math. 

 

Are you aware that all of this WWI stuff is relatively simple ports of existing RoF planes?

Are you aware that the WWI stuff is being done by a 3rd party and not the core team?  

Are you aware that the core team is mostly working on the new product, which seems to be WWII?

 

That's reality when you are capable of getting beyond 2nd grade math.

Try this for a hypothesis: WWI number of planes > WWII number of planes therefore developers spending more time on WWI = false. 

 

Explanation for why this hypothesis is false: While more a WWI planes ware being churned out, the level of effort to refine and release already modeled WWI  planes is much less than it is for new WWII planes.  This is especially true when you consider all of the effort going into a NEW WWII product.

 

Last point: while 1C is building that nice shiny new WWII flight sim for you, how do you think they are making money?  That's right - sales of ported WWI content on the existing platform.

 

Please tell me that this is not some sort of odd, alien concept and that you can get past 10 of this > 3 of that.  10 silver bars is not > 3 gold bars.

Edited November 13, 2023 by PatrickAWlson

[EAF19_Marsh]

Out of interest, what is the difference between:

 

a) Something is under development, no promises on exact scope or timeframe but as you know we do our best and the finished products are almost always well received

 

And

 

b) This specific thing xxx is under development, no promises on exact scope or timeframe but as you know we do our best and the finished products are almost always well received.

 

If the company has bothered to invest sufficiently that they can hint at something and offer the vaguest of timeframes, they may as well say what it is.

 

In this case I mean the ‘mysterious’ new WW 2 map. What is the point in not stating the region? If it works, it will generate interest. If it is scrapped they get hit anyway. The silence irritates people and fuels the - arguably - erroneous view that BoX is dead.

 

Confirming the new Korean sim I can better understand given level of development and keeping your powder dry, but a decision has been made on the module focus so may as well reveal that. Exact details TBC is perfectly fair.

 

Silence on these things is detrimental to reputation, faith and probably enthusiasm for early purchase.

[sgt_fresh]

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Are you aware that all of this WWI stuff is relatively simple ports of existing RoF planes?

Are you aware that the WWI stuff is being done by a 3rd party and not the core team?  

Are you aware that the core team is mostly working on the new product, which seems to be WWII?

 

That's reality when you are capable of getting beyond 2nd grade math.

Try this for a hypothesis: WWI number of planes > WWII number of planes therefore developers spending more time on WWI = false. 

 

Explanation for why this hypothesis is false: While more a WWI planes ware being churned out, the level of effort to refine and release already modeled WWI  planes is much less than it is for new WWII planes.  This is especially true when you consider all of the effort going into a NEW WWII product.

 

Last point: while 1C is building that nice shiny new WWII flight sim for you, how do you think they are making money?  That's right - sales of ported WWI content on the existing platform.

 

Please tell me that this is not some sort of odd, alien concept and that you can get past 10 of this > 3 of that.  10 silver bars is not > 3 gold bars.

More GB propaganda… sigh. Explain no development? E=mc2… duh.

[Monksilver]

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Are you aware that all of this WWI stuff is relatively simple ports of existing RoF planes?

Are you aware that the WWI stuff is being done by a 3rd party and not the core team?  

Are you aware that the core team is mostly working on the new product, which seems to be WWII?

 

That's reality when you are capable of getting beyond 2nd grade math.

Try this for a hypothesis: WWI number of planes > WWII number of planes therefore developers spending more time on WWI = false. 

 

Explanation for why this hypothesis is false: While more a WWI planes ware being churned out, the level of effort to refine and release already modeled WWI  planes is much less than it is for new WWII planes.  This is especially true when you consider all of the effort going into a NEW WWII product.

 

Last point: while 1C is building that nice shiny new WWII flight sim for you, how do you think they are making money?  That's right - sales of ported WWI content on the existing platform.

 

Please tell me that this is not some sort of odd, alien concept and that you can get past 10 of this > 3 of that.  10 silver bars is not > 3 gold bars.

 

Well I get the above and makes perfect sense to me. But if you make no progress just console yourself with a bit Schiller and smile.

 

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!

Against stupidity the very Gods

Themselves contend in vain. Exalted reason,
Resplendent daughter of the head divine,
Wise foundress of the system of the world,
Guide of the stars, who art thou then if thou,
Bound to the tail of folly's uncurbed steed,
Must, vainly shrieking with the drunken crowd,
Eyes open, plunge down headlong in the abyss.
Accursed, who striveth after noble ends,
And with deliberate wisdom forms his plans!
To the fool-king belongs the world.

 

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

On 11/11/2023 at 12:37 PM, sgt_fresh said:

You are exactly what the developers want... someone who takes what is given to them. 2013 BoS is released with advertised expansion, no mention of ww1 spin offs.

I really wouldn't be too worried about it at this point man. The game is way better now than it was even 2 years ago, with many new planes and fixes for existing ones with more possibly in the works. Normandy is awesome and Combat Box just launched Apollo for it which is by and far the best WW2 online experience I've ever had with VR, the SRS AI Bot, and a dynamic frontline all aimed at simulating a close-quarters, tactical air war that is a true sandbox with endless possibilities over a visually stunning map, with the best clouds and weather I've ever seen in a WW2 sim. Come check it out and make a video about it!

 

That being said, there are also things coming down the pipeline that we don't know about--either a new title/game engine based on the old, or a new title with many underlying engine improvements. Development takes time and resources. This isn't IL-2 1946 where anybody can make a low-fidelity mod plane or a new generic map. Either way, IL-2 is going to be looking and flying better than ever within 2 years!

Edited November 13, 2023 by drewm3i-VR

[sgt_fresh]

14 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Last point: while 1C is building that nice shiny new WWII flight sim for you, how do you think they are making money?  That's right - sales of ported WWI content on the existing platform.

 

Please tell me that this is not some sort of odd, alien concept and that you can get past 10 of this > 3 of that.  10 silver bars is not > 3 gold bars.

Hearing from an insider economist astounding..! WW1 money = shiney new things? Oh that is so FTC ? Let us not forget how CoD was abandoned for a new project called BoS. There is nothing wrong with expansion expectations. Constructive conversation... ah some fresh air at last.

[jollyjack]

11 hours ago, Monksilver said:

Well I get the above and makes perfect sense to me. But if you make no progress just console yourself with a bit Schiller and smile.

 

To the fool-king belongs the world.

 

foul-king?

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, sgt_fresh said:

Hearing from an insider economist astounding..! WW1 money = shiney new things? Oh that is so FTC ? Let us not forget how CoD was abandoned for a new project called BoS. There is nothing wrong with expansion expectations. Constructive conversation... ah some fresh air at last.

I do not even know where to begin. You should seek information before you rewrite history. 
clod was pushed into marked way too early after several years with over ambitious work. 
It was Oleg’s project.  
Even if it is deemed a failure by many that game probably closer to realism than any other cfs. 
The developers from this game had nothing to do with clod. But did take over the franchise. 

[sgt_fresh]

5 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I do not even know where to begin. You should seek information before you rewrite history. 
 

"where to begin"? Don't. Revisionist history only favors those who have agendas. We are talking about expansions for the IL2 Great Battles or more importantly Where are they? If Oliver Twist asked for more soup. You no doubt would answer "You only think you are hungry"?