Typhoon cockpit

[ATAG_Pattle]

Hi all,

 

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the very promising progress being made with our new Typhoon cockpit.

 

 

[Missionbug]

Looks superb but we don't get much of an idea of the overall cockpit from that shot, could you please post a few more images showing the remainder of it, if there is any further detail there that is and not just a void.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Feldgrun]

I'm curious how it compares to the IL2 GB Typhoon:

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

8 hours ago, Missionbug said:

could you please post a few more images showing the remainder of it, if there is any further detail there that is and not just a void.

 

 

Yesterday major_setback already shared another inner view of the Typhoon's cockpit, in fact he did it even before Pattle, but that happened on the ATTAG forum, the official forum of TFS. Do not hesitate to have a look at the official forum from time to time...

 

Also please take into account the major's comment (source's over there )

 

"Typhoon. Cockpit shot, from around January 2023, so very WiP"

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by 343KKT_Kintaro

[Blitzen]

"Veddy regimental!"

[Enceladus828]

On 9/26/2023 at 5:50 AM, Feldgrun said:

I'm curious how it compares to the IL2 GB Typhoon:

 

 

The IL-2 GBs Typhoon has the bubble canopy while the one in FaFw is the earlier type with the car door canopy.

[buster_dee]

Very nice.

[Trooper117]

9 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

The IL-2 GBs Typhoon has the bubble canopy while the one in FaFw is the earlier type with the car door canopy.

 

We will be getting both types I believe in TF 6...

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

42 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

We will be getting both types I believe in TF 6...

I hope so, I'd like that. But the screens so far for the Mk I and Mk Ib show only the car door. 

[BOO]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

We will be getting both types I believe in TF 6...

The bubble is a very late 1943 modification. Possibly one of those things to be mentioned in the new official unoffical posts perhaps.

Edited September 28, 2023 by BOO

[major_setback]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

The bubble is a very late 1943 modification. Possibly one of those things to be mentioned in the new official unoffical posts perhaps.

 

There are 3 main canopy types. The bubble canopy was as you stated a lot later in the war, and will not be in TF6.

 

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by major_setback

[FTC_Karaya]

Are you sure that the canopy type on top wasnt just a thing on prototype and trial aircraft?

 

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft21729-3.htm

Один из первых серийных "Тайфунов" IA в строевой части уже с остекленным гаргротом

ie: "One of the first production "Typhoons" IA in the combat unit already with a glazed gargrot"

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by FTC_Karaya

[major_setback]

36 minutes ago, FTC_Karaya said:

Are you sure that the canopy type on top wasnt just a thing on prototype and trial aircraft?

 

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft21729-3.htm

Один из первых серийных "Тайфунов" IA в строевой части уже с остекленным гаргротом

ie: "One of the first production "Typhoons" IA in the combat unit already with a glazed gargrot"

 

 

 

Wikipedia:

 

".... The first 162 Typhoons featured a built-up metal-skinned dorsal fairing behind the pilot's armoured headrest; the mast for the radio aerial protruded through the fairing. From mid- to late 1941 the solid metal aft dorsal fairing was replaced with a transparent structure (later nicknamed "The Coffin Hood").

more ...

 

Also this:

 

 

From here:

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by major_setback

[FTC_Karaya]

"Hawker Typhoon IA R7578, a company trials aircraft and later flown by Napier, never saw RAF service and was struck off charge in March 1943."

 

Quote

Wikipedia:

".... The first 162 Typhoons featured a built-up metal-skinned dorsal fairing behind the pilot's armoured headrest...

 

The first 105 to 110 aircraft were all of the Mk.IA type, I've shown a Mk.IA with the fully glassed canopy above.

Was this retrofitted in the field perhaps. I dont know.

 

https://www.eduard.com/out/media/11117.pdf

"During 1941 the solid metal aft dorsal fairing was replaced with a transparent one and shape of the pilot's head armour plate was modified to allow better rear view."

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

Hard to find photos of operational Typhoons with the solid fairing. 

The text on these pages indicate that operational Typhoons had the clear fairing retrofitted in place of the solid one. 

There is also a Pic of the first bubble canopy on the third screenshot. 

 

Also note the non faired cannons on many of the early Typhoons. 

[BOO]

There as oft quoted exchange between Hugh Dundass, CO of 56 Sdn and Sydney Camm that took place, allegedly, at Duxford in Sept 41 were Dundass complained about the solid fairing limiting visibility. Whether this was prior to the main delivery of immediately afterwards isnt clear to me. It would seem the fist Mk1a in operational service arrived with a metal fairing that probably got replaced with a type of perspex canopy over the 7 months of operation before the Mk1b with the factory fit item and cannon wings replaced them. After March 42 most operational tiffys would likely be the Mk1b. 

 

(which is probably what the text above says but I cant read it. Infirmity.......its coming to you all boys!

 

 

[Buzzsaw]

We will actually be doing three types of Typhoons.

 

-  Early Mk IA with twelve MG's and Napier Sabre I engine  (operational from early September 1941)

-  Late Mk IA with twelve MG's and Napier Sabre II engine

-  Early Mk IB with four Hispano 20mm and Napier Sabre II engine.

 

The early Sabre I had lower Full Throttle Heights in both Supercharger gears and made more power down low, less at higher altitudes.  It had reliability problems.  The later Sabre II had higher Full Throttle Heights in both gears, slightly lower power at lower altitudes and more at high.  It was also more reliable.  Most of the early Mk IA's had their Sabre I's replaced by the end of October 1941 with Sabre II's.  Both these engines were limited to +7 boost and 3750 rpm.

 

These engines were superceded by the Napier Sabre IIA in 1943... which had higher boost at +9, more time allowed at 3750 revs, and more power.  The IIA was superceded in late 1944/early 1945 by the Sabre IIB which was rated for +11 boost and 3750 rpm.  Both of these engines were installed in later Typhoons with the bubble canopy.  We will not be including these versions in TF 6.0.

[major_setback]

18 minutes ago, BOO said:

There as oft quoted exchange between Hugh Dundass, CO of 56 Sdn and Sydney Camm that took place, allegedly, at Duxford in Sept 41 were Dundass complained about the solid fairing limiting visibility. Whether this was prior to the main delivery of immediately afterwards isnt clear to me. It would seem the fist Mk1a in operational service arrived with a metal fairing that probably got replaced with a type of perspex canopy over the 7 months of operation before the Mk1b with the factory fit item and cannon wings replaced them. After March 42 most operational tiffys would likely be the Mk1b. 

 

(which is probably what the text above says but I cant read it. Infirmity.......its coming to you all boys!

 

 

 

Right click - then  'open link in new tab'.

It will be a bit bigger.

If it's still not big enough then go closer to the screen. ?

Edited September 28, 2023 by major_setback

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

55 minutes ago, BOO said:

There as oft quoted exchange between Hugh Dundass, CO of 56 Sdn and Sydney Camm that took place, allegedly, at Duxford in Sept 41 were Dundass complained about the solid fairing limiting visibility. Whether this was prior to the main delivery of immediately afterwards isnt clear to me. It would seem the fist Mk1a in operational service arrived with a metal fairing that probably got replaced with a type of perspex canopy over the 7 months of operation before the Mk1b with the factory fit item and cannon wings replaced them. After March 42 most operational tiffys would likely be the Mk1b. 

 

(which is probably what the text above says but I cant read it. Infirmity.......its coming to you all boys!

 

 

Click the pics and zoom in ?

 

Under Teething Troubles it mentions theybwere replaced, but doesn't cite a date. Just references that in early 42 more squadrons received the Typhoon in spite of all the problems. The captions are informative too. 

[BOO]

1 hour ago, major_setback said:

 

Right click - then  'open link in new tab'.

It will be a bit bigger.

If it's still not big enough then go closer to the screen. ?

Right what? Click closer to what? Move the screen?   

I need a bigger telly

 

[Volant_Eagle]

22 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

We will actually be doing three types of Typhoons.

 

-  Early Mk IA with twelve MG's and Napier Sabre I engine  (operational from early September 1941)

-  Late Mk IA with twelve MG's and Napier Sabre II engine

-  Early Mk IB with four Hispano 20mm and Napier Sabre II engine.

 

The early Sabre I had lower Full Throttle Heights in both Supercharger gears and made more power down low, less at higher altitudes.  It had reliability problems.  The later Sabre II had higher Full Throttle Heights in both gears, slightly lower power at lower altitudes and more at high.  It was also more reliable.  Most of the early Mk IA's had their Sabre I's replaced by the end of October 1941 with Sabre II's.  Both these engines were limited to +7 boost and 3750 rpm.

 

These engines were superceded by the Napier Sabre IIA in 1943... which had higher boost at +9, more time allowed at 3750 revs, and more power.  The IIA was superceded in late 1944/early 1945 by the Sabre IIB which was rated for +11 boost and 3750 rpm.  Both of these engines were installed in later Typhoons with the bubble canopy.  We will not be including these versions in TF 6.0.

Thanks for the info and clarifications. Could you also clarify which canopy type will be on the Late Mk IA? All the WIP pictures I've seen so far only show the solid rear canopy for the 12 .303 armed Typhoons. Is this because both early and late models will be having the solid canopy or because we have only been seeing pics of the early Mk Ia? The actual photographs posted in this thread show the Mk Ia could have either the solid or the transparent rear canopy. Since this is the case, it would make sense for the early to have the solid and the late to have the transparent. That would represent the fact the Mk Ia could have either canopy style. It doesn't matter all that much to me either way though. Either canopy style is technically correct. I'm still thrilled we're even getting the Mk Ia. I really wasn't expecting that.

[Blitzen]

Buzzsaw, Any idea if there will be a door open -bail out animation ala the P-39 in Great Battles?

https://www.google.com/search?q=great+battlesflight+sim+P-39+video&source=lmns&tbm=vid&bih=955&biw=1920&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCyYvx7deBAxUEPEQIHXtxDv4Q0pQJKAF6BAgBEAQ#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:9c3d8ad4,vid:B9Rta_Vs0n4,st:0

[Buzzsaw]

On 10/2/2023 at 10:12 AM, Blitzen said:

Buzzsaw, Any idea if there will be a door open -bail out animation ala the P-39 in Great Battles?

https://www.google.com/search?q=great+battlesflight+sim+P-39+video&source=lmns&tbm=vid&bih=955&biw=1920&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCyYvx7deBAxUEPEQIHXtxDv4Q0pQJKAF6BAgBEAQ#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:9c3d8ad4,vid:B9Rta_Vs0n4,st:0

Pilots did not bailout via the door.

 

The Typhoon had a jettison-able cockpit... same as the 109's.

[Trooper117]

Yes, for the 'car door' type, you would pull inwards on the red handles situated either side of the cockpit, forward of the doors...both door latches must be released prior to this. The doors and the top roof hatch would then be jettisoned.

Later models, the sliding hood and the starboard panel could be jettisoned by pulling the handle at the bottom of the dashboard and to the right of the blind flying panel...

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

The doors and the top roof hatch would then be jettisoned

 

 

"The doors", not "the door"... so... there was one "car door" each side of the fuselage, not only one on one side only?

 

 

[Trooper117]

Yes, both doors...

[Blitzen]

I knew the top of the canopy opened and that only the starboard side had a "door" .On the port side you can clearly see there was a sort of "hatch" or small door ala the Hurricane and Spitfire , as you can see on this Airfix 1/24th Scale model ,BUT I didn't know they all jettisoned at once. Now that would make a heck of an animation!

(BTW the P-39 in GB's is a kind of "doggy" as it was back in the day , except at low levels, but the modeling of the P-39 in GB is really kind of beautiful! )

Edited October 6, 2023 by Blitzen
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