The status of the yet-to-be-announced title

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Korean war lasted for 3 years... the war had various phases. Aircraft, and there is a lot more than ''it's just Migs and Sabres'' BS being touted by a few.

It's only 5 years after WWII... there may be jets, but there are some stunning props action

It is just the one conflict I never really got an interests for. I do not know much about it other than McArthur wanted to nuke someone and they had Skyraiders witch is good and Corsairs witch is good. And A 26 that most certainly deserve being in the virtual skies

[[CPT]Crunch]

And than there's the two obligatory side sims to consider as a bonus, Korean armored war railways and rice paddy combat peasant farmer simulations.  It won't take away from your props at all, be sure.

[parkerc341]

I feel like Korea could be cool I suppose but I feel like it'd be pretty hollow without carrier actions, not to mention limiting with only being able to used land based aircraft.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Hoping it's Burma, New Guinea,  Battle for France, North Africa,   or. Battle of Britain.  Korea doesn't interest me..  Devotion was a cool movie, but not a theater/conflict  I'd purchase. 

Edited October 23, 2023 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[deathmisser]

3 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Hoping it's Burma, New Guinea,  Battle for France, North Africa,   or. Battle of Britain.  Korea doesn't interest me..  Devotion was a cool movie, but not a theater/conflict  I'd purchase. 

Agree if they can't do Italy because of the complicated streets and buildings then god help then in Asia.

 

The core of IL-2 is WW2 by the battle of X series then Korea won't fit the style. 

(Tank crew and Flying circus are separate side projects) 

 

Plus most of the map will have to be most if not all of Korea and that will play havoc on not powerful PC. 

 

My guess it will ether be Finland and Burma. 

[Gambit21]

[deathmisser]

8 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I see you are a tester. I guess you are testing our reaction to Korea.

[javelina]

1 hour ago, deathmisser said:

Agree if they can't do Italy because of the complicated streets and buildings then god help then in Asia.

 

The core of IL-2 is WW2 by the battle of X series then Korea won't fit the style. 

(Tank crew and Flying circus are separate side projects) 

 

Plus most of the map will have to be most if not all of Korea and that will play havoc on not powerful PC. 

 

My guess it will ether be Finland and Burma. 

Neither jazz me, hoping it is Korea.  Then again, I vote with my wallet.  ?

[Jaegermeister]

5 hours ago, deathmisser said:

I see you are a tester. I guess you are testing our reaction to Korea.

They misspelled his tag, it was supposed to read “Teaser”

[CountZero]

12 hours ago, parkerc341 said:

I feel like Korea could be cool I suppose but I feel like it'd be pretty hollow without carrier actions, not to mention limiting with only being able to used land based aircraft.

I feel like west europe DLC could be cool I suppose but I feel like it'd be pretty hollow without heavy bombers actions, not to mention limiting with only being able to used land based aircraft.

 

?

 

[IckyATLAS]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Vegas is not on the list of potential new sites: https://airrace.org/news/six-cities-announced-as-potential-future-home-of-national-championship-air-races/

This is very recent info. Mine was more at the beginning of the process. I didn't know that there has been a formal bidding. I know that there was a discussion with associations in Vegas to see if they could make them there. This bidding results show that they did not manage to make a bid. It's a real pity because they have space around Vegas to do it and have an enormous international tourism machine, which could have benefited a  lot to the Races. Maybe they saw it as a conflict with one of the largest international airports airspace, and all the many commercial aerial activities, who knows.

What is positive is that there have been multiple bidders which is the best possible scenario as you can make them compete to get the best possible offer.

Time will tell.

[Trooper117]

11 hours ago, deathmisser said:

The core of IL-2 is WW2 by the battle of X series then Korea won't fit the style. 

(Tank crew and Flying circus are separate side projects) 

 

Hey, here's a thought... by your logic, maybe Korea is a separate side project!

You do know, they can return to WWII anytime they like.

The strange thing is, in the past, when the Pacific war was mentioned as being possible, there was wailing and people saying they would leave the game as well... who would believe it eh?... a WWII theatre was mentioned and it was the end of the world...

[[Warship]MidnightLightnin]

I would like to throw in a few thoughts, not everyone will agree but bear with me...... 

 

I see one issue, the number of people in servers seems to be dropping, everything else is a potential solution rather than an issue. 

 

As things stand we have an great game, it could do with some of the bugs sorting out but graphics are pretty good and gameplay is excellent. I am told the map editor is a nightmare to use but I have never used it.  

 

The issue we face is a downward spiral of more players leaving than coming in, but for me its not about new expansion packs or game engines (although they are important for longevity too) - its 99% about community - let me explain.

 

I come originally from Air Attack, played on 56k modem, back when the internet first took off.  Game play was arcade, graphics were awful by todays standards, its was dogfighting only, and they only had one map and a handful of planes. Yet the servers were packed. 

 

One of the main reasons for Ait Attack's success was the community, which organised regular league matches for squads, we even had a referees association so that every match could have a referee to see fair play and record results. 

 

The AATC (Air Attack Tactical Combat) team have sought to recreate this community on IL2 and put massive effort into creating maps and organising events. They have had a lot of success and brought a lot of people into the game, myself included and I have in turn also brought other people in and continue to do so. However AATC caters predominately for US time zones. 

 

So, as part of the solution I would encourage 1C to look at what they can do to build the community - here are a few suggestions:

• Canvas opinion to see who is interested in the following:
• Provide a League Match server with "EU" settings (NOT full reality -see below).
• Arrange squad matches (perhaps also "open" matches for individuals to join) - this should become an organisational/leadership role for 1C with enough IL2 players around to do most of the legwork.
• Matches can have differing formats from pure dogfights to EU style missions. Organised by time zone and 60 to 90 minutes duration (e.g. 45 m Allies then 45 m Axis). To start with the matches may have to be stand alone for individual to enter but as squads form and grow league matches should be viable. 

How does this help:

• The existence of Matches will provide an incentive for players to get involved and take part, it gives an incentive to train and improve.
• The existence of Squad matches will incentivise players to organise themselves into squads. There is nothing as exciting as a squad match - really gets the adrenaline flowing - Tactics and team play always wins.
• Squads then recruit, train up and support new pilots - word gets around and their friends also sign up. Being in a squad and working together on Discord is a blast, grab a beer and dogfight, have some fun 
• I suggested the above uses EU level servers - that's because it is an easier way in for new pilots, no engine management etc. However, some of these pilots will eventually want to try full reality and thus the above will also become a constant feed for these servers. e.g. THORN Squad reformed to fly AATC matches a couple of years ago and since then the majority of the squad has now moved on to fly WOL etc almost exclusively.
• Its win win.

Admittedly, the above is not easy to do, it will require a lot of work, but Community is everything, get this working, get people having fun and word of mouth will bring in new players.  

 

New packs etc are always great to keep people interested but there is a world of potential pilots out there who will be perfectly happy with what we already have. Spend some money bringing people in, create a community, do some marketing, how about some professional action videos for social media.

 

Air Attack was my world for a decade, I loved it and still miss the community but if it wasn't for AATC, I  wouldn't even know IL2 BOS existed - how many others are out there not knowing? 

 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I don't want to guess where and when this new project will take us but I hope it  support new technologies for antyaliasing (TAA) and upscaling (DLSS,DLAA,FSR/NIS) and Vulcan pipeline together with native OpenXR. The current il2 GB supported tech is far behind competition and  ancient, nothing really significant changed in this department since 2009 Rise of Flight. 

[ITAF_Rani]

On 10/24/2023 at 12:01 AM, deathmisser said:

Agree if they can't do Italy because of the complicated streets and buildings then god help then in Asia.

 

The core of IL-2 is WW2 by the battle of X series then Korea won't fit the style

That Italy and North Africa is out of plans there is no evidence today..

It was related to a first statement old almost 12 months ago. Probably the plans have been reformulated again several time in order to meet the new standards in progress..

I don t understand all this hipe about Korea.....to me seems no have any real evidence at moment....than we ll see...

Edited October 26, 2023 by ITAF_Rani

[JG27_Abaster]

Why is everyone talking about Korea or so many scenarios other games already touched (or are going to touch again…) MULTIPLE times (like pacific or northern africa…)?? There is so many WW2 scenarios not touched yet…even so we won‘t see italy, think about this kind of content:

- finnish/ russian border-area 

- scandinavia and northern germany 

- spanish civil war era

- east germany/ poland border-area 

- recon planes like Fi-156 „Storch“ or Henschel HS-126

- 4 mot bombers like the beautiful B-17

- Seaplanes like the Arado AR 196 

- DROP TANKS 

 

Why would IL-2 be focusing on things they simply can not compete with? For jets and all the other stuff there already is (i know nobody wants to speak it out loud…) „warthunder“ AND DCS! You will not gain anyone new with that kind of stuff! Focus on WW2, tell the stories that are not told yet - otherwise i can only see this game dying (what i would hate to see…).
 

Though stop doing copy and paste planes nobody asked or wished for again and again and then even sell those as „collector planes“. There is so many things that could be done..please stop wasting the potential this game definitely has! Look at the player numbers and question why they are dropping further and further! Please don‘t disappoint us again next time…we don‘t deserve that since we love that game and are there - even when numbers are lacking so hard! 
 

Still curious what comes next - biggest hope is that the new engine hopefully fixes lots of problems…please rock this time! ☝️??
 

[Gambit21]

42 minutes ago, JG27_Abaster said:

Why is everyone talking about Korea

 

 

[LukeFF]

I'm going to put out a tip jar for the next person who says that 1CGS does copy/paste planes or that players are leaving the game in droves. ?

[parkerc341]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

I'm going to put out a tip jar for the next person who says that 1CGS does copy/paste planes or that players are leaving the game in droves. ?

Jee wizz golly! Those gosh darn CEOs at 1CGS copy and pasting planes and making players leave! All of this because they wont announce IL-57- Sturmovik in Space! 

[JG27_Abaster]

Ummmm…

[Gambit21]

14 minutes ago, JG27_Abaster said:

Ummmm…

Ummmm…I think you suck at considering recent history and interpreting a simple graph.

 

 

More importantly…
 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

6 hours ago, JG27_Abaster said:

Why is everyone talking about Korea or so many scenarios other games already touched (or are going to touch again…) MULTIPLE times (like pacific or northern africa…)?? There is so many WW2 scenarios not touched yet…even so we won‘t see italy, think about this kind of content:

- finnish/ russian border-area 

- scandinavia and northern germany 

- spanish civil war era

- east germany/ poland border-area 

- recon planes like Fi-156 „Storch“ or Henschel HS-126

- 4 mot bombers like the beautiful B-17

- Seaplanes like the Arado AR 196 

- DROP TANKS 

 

Why would IL-2 be focusing on things they simply can not compete with? For jets and all the other stuff there already is (i know nobody wants to speak it out loud…) „warthunder“ AND DCS! You will not gain anyone new with that kind of stuff! Focus on WW2, tell the stories that are not told yet - otherwise i can only see this game dying (what i would hate to see…).
 

Though stop doing copy and paste planes nobody asked or wished for again and again and then even sell those as „collector planes“. There is so many things that could be done..please stop wasting the potential this game definitely has! Look at the player numbers and question why they are dropping further and further! Please don‘t disappoint us again next time…we don‘t deserve that since we love that game and are there - even when numbers are lacking so hard! 
 

Still curious what comes next - biggest hope is that the new engine hopefully fixes lots of problems…please rock this time! ☝️??
 

If something hasn't been done yet, there's usually a good reason for it. Either because of high development cost, or low expected rewards. Honestly, besides history geeks, the Spanish, and people who went to school when Franco was still alive, how many people even know there was ever a civil war in Spain?

 

I don't think doing such a niche thing will help to "gain anyone new". Conversely, a Korean War title may bring in some of the Jets people who currently fly DCS or Warthunder, and hopefully then also draw them into the WW2 props that IL2 excels in.

Edited October 27, 2023 by AEthelraedUnraed

[JG27_Abaster]

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8 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Ummmm…I think you suck at considering recent history and interpreting a simple graph.

 

I do? Can you please enlight me then? I can tell from my personal view - one who is flying at least every second day - player numbers drop (At least in MP) is a very real thing. Scrolling through the several discord servers everyone is saying the same. So please tell me...what are the reasons then or what is the "truth" here?

[JG27_Abaster]

26 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

If something hasn't been done yet, there's usually a good reason for it. Either because of high development cost, or low expected rewards. Honestly, besides history geeks, the Spanish, and people who went to school when Franco was still alive, how many people even know there was ever a civil war in Spain?

 

I don't think doing such a niche thing will help to "gain anyone new". Conversely, a Korean War title may bring in some of the Jets people who currently fly DCS or Warthunder, and hopefully then also draw them into the WW2 props that IL2 excels in.

 

So in the past year we saw a Bf-109 G6 "LATE", a Bf-109 G6AS (what i consider to at least being something "else"), a teardrop spitfire, a C-47 and the Li-2 and now the next La-5...does that not give you somehow the "copy and paste" feeling? Might that be due to "inventing new stuff wouldnt pay off or cause to many work input"...??

Yeah well...i think many people are at least somehow interested in history when they play a game that´s set ~80 years from today. I´d even say people in europe know more about the spanish civil war then they know about korea - but in the end this does not even matter and was only one of many ideas, that i think would definitely help, cause it´s basically what a huge amount of people say - in the pvp world NOONE is interested in korea or stuff like that - because like i say: There is other games that will provide a huge amount of vehicles already covering that era...

The problem is, that the gameplay itself does not change for years now. We are not seing any new "roles" like recon planes or heavy bombers, while other games bring out content by content. So many stories untold. The communication especially about reasons why something "can´t be done" is poor...the real questions stay unanswered, instead we get presented things really no one asked for as the "hot new stuff"...c´mon (at least) the discord servers are full of the things i mention here..i can´t be the only one to mention that in here like i was the jerk who talks rubbish^^...

Edited October 27, 2023 by JG27_Abaster

[Gambit21]

13 minutes ago, JG27_Abaster said:

I do?

 

I’m quite certain, yes.

 

13 minutes ago, JG27_Abaster said:

Can you please enlight me then?

 

I could draw a line graph with dates and numbers to show you, but somehow I don’t think we’d get anywhere.

 

 

[JG27_Abaster]

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I could draw a line graph with dates and numbers to show you, but somehow I don’t think we’d get anywhere.

 

Well...quite of a poor effort to convince me or others that i am wrong. 
You do not even have to draw your own graph, but you could rather explain it to me then, how i do have to read the graph and what is the point where i am so wrong?
If it´s true, i will not contradict in any way - so please, give it a shot!

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, JG27_Abaster said:

 

Well...quite of a poor effort to convince me or others that i am wrong. 
You do not even have to draw your own graph, but you could rather explain it to me then, how i do have to read the graph and what is the point where i am so wrong?
If it´s true, i will not contradict in any way - so please, give it a shot!

Look at the graph, look at the trend, look at the spike, consider the past 3 years/history, look where it is now excluding that history…essentially equal with 2019. 

 

 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 minutes ago, JG27_Abaster said:

Yeah well...i think many people are at least somehow interested in history when they play a game that´s set ~80 years from today. I´d even say people in europe know more about the spanish civil war then they know about korea

Everyone knows about WW2. It's taught in history classes and many people my age (early 30s) had/have grandparents that witnessed the events first-hand. 

 

As for the Spanish Civil War; I don't know if you're from Europe and if so, where, but I can tell you that at least in the Netherlands, knowledge about it is next to none. I went to the best/most difficult type of high school, and all we were ever taught about it was limited to one or two fleeting remarks. And why would we be interested in events in a faraway country that had little consequences beyond Spain's borders?

 

6 minutes ago, JG27_Abaster said:

Well...quite of a poor effort to convince me or others that i am wrong. 
You do not even have to draw your own graph, but you could rather explain it to me then, how i do have to read the graph and what is the point where i am so wrong?
If it´s true, i will not contradict in any way - so please, give it a shot!

I'll give you a hint. For the high numbers, think "recent history" and "staying at home". For the low numbers, think "recent history" and "Russia"  

[JG27_Abaster]

Ok so you want to tell me the reason is because covid is over and people are not sitting in front of their pc´s that much anymore. Further: The game is not in the same state as it was back in 2019. A new DLC dropped, we have new clouds and new content (whether i personally think it´s that good in relation to what others do or not...) but the player numbers are the same as back in 2019.

Here you can see a graph from our beloved warthunder and DCS. Even if i say "there was covid and stuff"...their player numbers increased (wt) or are at least higher then back in 2019....

So what are you going to tell me now?

Edited October 27, 2023 by JG27_Abaster

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, JG27_Abaster said:

So what are you going to tell me now?

 

That with regard to IL2, you’re still bogus at interpreting simple data sets.

 

 

 

[JG27_Abaster]

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Everyone knows about WW2. It's taught in history classes and many people my age (early 30s) had/have grandparents that witnessed the events first-hand. 

 

As for the Spanish Civil War; I don't know if you're from Europe and if so, where, but I can tell you that at least in the Netherlands, knowledge about it is next to none. I went to the best/most difficult type of high school, and all we were ever taught about it was limited to one or two fleeting remarks. And why would we be interested in events in a faraway country that had little consequences beyond Spain's borders?

Well...at least the spanish civil war - if you want to go into it so deep - first fits in between the gap we have in Il-2 where there is WWI and WW2 era. Second: We do already have planes out of which there can be modelled versions, that already flew in the civil war (Bf-190 E7 -> Bf- 109 A/B // I16 Rata...)...AND SO ON.

 

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I'll give you a hint. For the high numbers, think "recent history" and "staying at home". For the low numbers, think "recent history" and "Russia"  

Ah c´mon...i also hate what happens "over there" right now - but make good new content and people will forget about that very fast. In the whole community this topic gets mentioned less and less...may be a factor, yes...but to me it seems more like a pretext (could be wrong at this point, still big doubts...!) By the way: DCS also has it´s roots in russia

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That with regard to IL2, you’re still bogus at interpreting simple data sets.

 oh come on dude..."you are wrong because i want you to be wrong" is many things but never was a good argument...

Edited October 27, 2023 by JG27_Abaster

[Gambit21]

6 minutes ago, JG27_Abaster said:

 oh come on dude..."you are wrong because i want you to be wrong" is many things but never was a good argument...

Oh, you got me…and here I thought that presenting an upward trend in one graph as proof on a downward trend in another graph was a poor argument.

[JG27_Abaster]

Could you please stop being that sarcastic and instead provide data and facts or at least your way of interpreting the graphs then? The graphs by the way are only one indicator. Fly (nearly) everyday and tell me what you can see on the servers. Of course this is not all about MP, but this is what i can say out of experience. Don´t come up with the "war" excuse again, please...Gaijin and Eagle dynamics would have to come up with the very same argument...

[ZachariasX]

We shall see if what we have as hype train now will raise graph when the announcement its announced.

[LukeFF]

Using MP numbers to gauge how well the series is doing never has been and never will be an accurate gauge for how the series is doing. Jason gave the number years ago that the proportion of people who actually go online is quite small - like in the single digit percentages small. But, this gets skewed in the online world because MP players are the most vocal on the various social networks.

 

2 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

We shall see if what we have as hype train now will raise graph when the announcement its announced.

 

I'd bet money on it, but I'm not a gambling man. ?

[ST_Catchov]

20 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Using MP numbers to gauge how well the series is doing never has been and never will be an accurate gauge for how the series is doing. Jason gave the number years ago that the proportion of people who actually go online is quite small - like in the single digit percentages small. But, this gets skewed in the online world because MP players are the most vocal on the various social networks.

 

So I expect they'll be focusing on SP AI improvements then? 

[LukeFF]

4 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

So I expect they'll be focusing on SP AI improvements then? 

 

If it were only that easy. I've mentioned it before - finding good AI coders for any video game series is tough, no matter where you are in the world.

[Robli]

Well, looking at JG27_Abaster's graph, I think it is quite clear that player numbers have dropped significantly. This is actual data.

My own observations (without actual data) are in line with that graph, too. Multiplayer activity has clearly dropped, forum activity has clearly dropped and most of the people I used to fly with have moved on. I see that some people are somehow convinced that single player community is blooming more than ever, but no such data could be found publicly at least. Another thing that is noticeable about the graph is the trend part. It is clearly pointing downwards. Products generally have lifecycles and I think it is quite rare that products that have been in decline for a couple of years change their course. 

 

This is my interpretation of presented data, before starting to speculate about the reasons or root causes behind it all. We know that major things have happened in the world in real life during the last four years. We also know that Great Battles released their first western front module in 2019. People could look up the timeline for tanks, Normandy, Flying Circus, if they want. We know that the lead guy changed over a year ago and the that the new management belie in the "silence is golden" approach in marketing. Maybe management came to the conclusion that this product had reached maturity and will go inevitably to decline, so it is time to create a totally new title or maybe they really believe in a magical comeback. We can speculate about the reasons and root causes, but data is data.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

6 hours ago, LukeFF said:

I'm going to put out a tip jar for the next person who says that 1CGS does copy/paste planes or that players are leaving the game in droves. ?

 

I don't believe the first statement at all.  The second one, I have not gathered any information myself to confirm or deny.  

But....   The way you've phrased this.....  I COULD use the money....  Gimme a moment to wind-up!!!!   ?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, JG27_Abaster said:

Don´t come up with the "war" excuse again, please...Gaijin and Eagle dynamics would have to come up with the very same argument...

Gaijin and Eagle Dynamics may have started as Russian companies, but both have moved a large part of their operations - including development - to other parts of the globe, to an extent 1CGS hasn't. Especially Gaijin has moved to other countries such as Hungary  - DCS, which does still have a relatively large development team in Russia shows a similar downward trend since 2022, in the graph you posted yourself.

 

Also, neither of those games have a big red star as logo, or the title "IL2 Sturmovik".

Edited October 27, 2023 by AEthelraedUnraed