The status of the yet-to-be-announced title

[[CPT]Crunch]

Space, the final frontier, these are the battles of Starship X.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Han said:

So now the idea to make an announcement and start dev diaries shortly after it. In dev diaries we can tell only what we sure to be done. For now, at current point, I see this possibility in spring 24.

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Many years ago I was a great fan of modern aviation sims... Oh yeah...

 

Wait - if I'm not mistaken, this is the first announcement of the announcement!

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

Please understand that I'm not really familiar with the structure of the American army.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

The US Marine Corps is part of the Department of the Navy, much to their chagrin. Both have their own squadrons, rank structure, and aircraft. Being part of the Navy, the Marines have always had a presence flying from US Navy carriers. 

 

That's a very, very brief way of describing it, to say the least. ?

[=621=Samikatz]

4 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Yes, lock on target from 5 miles out, launch missles, fly home.  

Yawn...

 

 

 

The Sparrow radar guided missile used in Vietnam had an extremely low (approx-15%) hit rate, the vast majority of aircraft were knocked down in air-to-air were with short range and rear aspect IR missiles or guns, both of which require maneuvering and dogfighting etc to use

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Stolle said:

The Winter War?

exept map is already in works for this game by players from Finland

7 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

The Sparrow radar guided missile used in Vietnam had an extremely low (approx-15%) hit rate, the vast majority of aircraft were knocked down in air-to-air were with short range and rear aspect IR missiles or guns, both of which require maneuvering and dogfighting etc to use

And do we have real war reliability problems with guns or bombs or engines in this game, no , so they would then have to work 100% time in Vietnam, we get in game best represantation of airplane.

Edited October 2, 2023 by CountZero

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

On 9/28/2023 at 10:45 AM, CountZero said:

If they planed to do PTO they would start with Midway like CP is doing now, you dont make first PTO game with some Spitfiers vs Kawasakis, or no Zeros or Cats in some Guinea... if they make new game with asian side of ww2 its gona be soviets vs japan, and i highly doubt they gona do Manchuria 45 or 39 where thats posible. 

 

4 hours ago, Han said:

Yep, but there is a UH-1 could be a great addition. Plus if there is small planeset - planes could have greater detalization like clickable cockpits, technican gameplay with VR maintenance and ect. 

To be fair - I can imagine a super-great Vietnam project. May be the best ever flight-sim.

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2 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

The Sparrow radar guided missile used in Vietnam had an extremely low (approx-15%) hit rate, the vast majority of aircraft were knocked down in air-to-air were with short range and rear aspect IR missiles or guns, both of which require maneuvering and dogfighting etc to use

When I think of the air war in Vietnam,  dogfighting is not what I think of.   The North Vietnamese Air force was of course legendary..?...  Sure, there were a few dogfights,  but it was largely a bombing war in the air, with most of the opposition being in the form of AA fire, and evading Sam missles,etc...

 

It was a guerrilla war.  Even large land battles were not the norm.  Doesn't seem like a legitimate candidate for a air combat module imo.  A sim modeling the swift boat action would possibly be more interesting,  but even then, how many fishing trawlers can you board before becoming bored?

 

Not exactly my cup of tea, but whatever floats your boat..

 

[Freycinet]

OK, announcement in spring of 2024. I think time to pack up this thread and engage in some flying, then meet back up next year.

[CountZero]

24 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

 

 

When I think of the air war in Vietnam,  dogfighting is not what I think of.   The North Vietnamese Air force was of course legendary..?...  Sure, there were a few dogfights,  but it was largely a bombing war in the air, with most of the opposition being in the form of AA fire, and evading Sam missles,etc...

 

It was a guerrilla war.  Even large land battles were not the norm.  Doesn't seem like a legitimate candidate for a air combat module imo.  A sim modeling the swift boat action would possibly be more interesting,  but even then, how many fishing trawlers can you board before becoming bored?

 

Not exactly my cup of tea, but whatever floats your boat..

 

for me Korea is as late as i would go with interest in DF aviation, as in games after that missiles come and that dont interest me mutch now, Vietnam is meh, gladly skipable

[tattywelshie]

24 minutes ago, Freycinet said:

OK, announcement in spring of 2024. I think time to pack up this thread and engage in some flying, then meet back up next year.

The next question to ask is...will we get the TA152 before the 'announcement'? ?

[Guest deleted@83466]

28 minutes ago, tattywelshie said:

The next question to ask is...will we get the TA152 before the 'announcement'? ?

That announcement will come in a later announcement that is yet to be announced.

[Alan_Grey]

6 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

Could you at least tell us if the new game will be compatible with the previous GB games of if it will be a completely new sim?

I'm really interested in this too. I wanted to wait for Murmansk, Kurland, Finland, Atlantic.... ?

Edited October 2, 2023 by Alan_Grey

[tattywelshie]

30 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

That announcement will come in a later announcement that is yet to be announced.

Ah, but they have already announced the 152 haven't they? It was announced a while back, even before they announced the next game, which they haven't announced yet, but have announced that we might have an announcement of what it is, during Spring of next year. 

[ACC_Bobo]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

The US Marine Corps is part of the Department of the Navy, much to their chagrin. Both have their own squadrons, rank structure, and aircraft. Being part of the Navy, the Marines have always had a presence flying from US Navy carriers. 

 

That's a very, very brief way of describing it, to say the least. ?

My Marine buddies, when ask what department of the Navy is the Marines, they respond, 'The Men's department.'  Marines

[LukeFF]

45 minutes ago, III./SG77-K_Bobo said:

My Marine buddies, when ask what department of the Navy is the Marines, they respond, 'The Men's department.'  Marines

 

Yep, my father-in-law is a Marine vet too and always gives that response as well. ? 

[sevenless]

Enjoy what you got and still get and don't worry about the future. Every new flightsim is a win for the community.

[deathmisser]

Lol my battle of Britain plane set up has made it to facebook. 

 

Spoiler

 

[LukeFF]

ROFL, yeah, I hate it when FB embeds images like that.

[deathmisser]

1 minute ago, LukeFF said:

ROFL, yeah, I hate it when FB embeds images like that.

lol I can now say look mum I'm now famous 

[dburne]

Welp spring 2024 I am not too interested in at this time. I have moved on now and that is ok. I will still follow the progress of IL-2 as I will always have much interest in it, currently though it is just not wetting my whistle so to speak. I will look forward to it down the pike seeing what they are going to be doing going forward.

Been involved with it since day 1 of the very first early access. So I will always keep an eye on it and participate on forums where I can.

 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

14 hours ago, Han said:

Yep, but there is a UH-1 could be a great addition. Plus if there is small planeset - planes could have greater detalization like clickable cockpits, technican gameplay with VR maintenance and ect. 

To be fair - I can imagine a super-great Vietnam project. May be the best ever flight-sim.

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Have you thought about doing something different and instead of the player actually being a plane, make the player a person that could walk around the airfield to the briefing room, armory, and get in the plane? Obviously no need to build a full world like GTA but some camera work to move around would be cool, either MP lobby or even SP career.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Jade_Monkey

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

14 hours ago, Han said:

We should have 1st plane in the project to make fair statements about what project will contain. Initial idea - to announce it and tell about details long later - we disliked it after some thinking. Plus, now, we have an external example, when you announcing something when you have nothing in your hands - it will not statisfy the community. Community will ask "so... and what? what next? what exactly you will do?". And you have no answers which are sure by yourself. As I've said before - many technologies are done, but we should try them in new content before be sure that they will be in release. Content is in development.

 

So now the idea to make an announcement and start dev diaries shortly after it. In dev diaries we can tell only what we sure to be done. For now, at current point, I see this possibility in spring 24.

Delicious...

 

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Many years ago I was a great fan of modern aviation sims... Oh yeah...

 

 

Thank you for this! See you all next Spring! 

[MiGCap]

30 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

Have you thought about doing something different and instead of the player actually being a plane, make the player a person that could walk around the airfield to the briefing room, armory, and get in the plane? Obviously no need to build a full world like GTA but some camera work to move around would be cool, either MP lobby or even SP career.

 

Many hours of developing work wasted. More load on the PC.

Complete unnecessary in my opinion. Sorry.

[BraveSirRobin]

35 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

Have you thought about doing something different and instead of the player actually being a plane, make the player a person that could walk around the airfield to the briefing room, armory, and get in the plane? Obviously no need to build a full world like GTA but some camera work to move around would be cool, either MP lobby or even SP career.

Why?  It’s hard to imagine a worse way to waste the development budget.  Immersion?  Immersion is about making the combat/flying more realistic.  It’s not about making the mission briefing more realistic.  It’s a combat sim.  Not a briefing/walk out to the aircraft sim.

 

 

[silent_one]

I cant see anything other than Pacific war . COD Blitz already has battle of Britain and Africa sewn up. There's maybe Korea but thats pretty niche with not much room to expand.  After that were really in DCS land.

[Patricks]

25 minutes ago, silent_one said:

I cant see anything other than Pacific war . COD Blitz already has battle of Britain and Africa sewn up. There's maybe Korea but thats pretty niche with not much room to expand.  After that were really in DCS land.

 

I think that (PAW - Combat Pilot) is being developed elsewhere at the moment, no?  

[ITAF_Artiglio]

MC-200...

[Jade_Monkey]

9 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Why?  It’s hard to imagine a worse way to waste the development budget.  Immersion?  Immersion is about making the combat/flying more realistic.  It’s not about making the mission briefing more realistic.  It’s a combat sim.  Not a briefing/walk out to the aircraft sim.

 

 

It is whatever they want to make. Making the same pig on different lipstick is not "doing something new"

Edited October 3, 2023 by Jade_Monkey

[danielprates]

9 hours ago, MiGCap said:

 

Many hours of developing work wasted. More load on the PC.

Complete unnecessary in my opinion. Sorry.

 

Besides being the kind of thing that you start off thinking it is cool, but just end up skipping all the time because to save time.

[deathmisser]

I just realised what Hans have said " While IL2 is focused on prop planes," So no jet focused Korea for you lot. 

 

Though saying that I would love to have the Meteor. 

Edited October 3, 2023 by deathmisser

[Trooper117]

Just except that it's Korea... and if it get's developed more, you may actually see a Meteor, but in Korea, not WWII.

[deathmisser]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Just except that it's Korea... and if it get's developed more, you may actually see a Meteor, but in Korea, not WWII.

It hasn't been confirmed to be anything yet we had 5 WW2 modules why are we suddenly going to go to Korea where.

 

A. we've not had Leningrad yet,

B. North Africa,

C. Any Pacific stuff, 

D. Asia, 

E. Italian mainland.

 

Korea just won't work in the current series, we've not even got heavy bombers yet.

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by deathmisser

[Jaegermeister]

On 10/2/2023 at 7:33 AM, Han said:

We should have 1st plane in the project to make fair statements about what project will contain. Initial idea - to announce it and tell about details long later - we disliked it after some thinking. Plus, now, we have an external example, when you announcing something when you have nothing in your hands - it will not statisfy the community. Community will ask "so... and what? what next? what exactly you will do?". And you have no answers which are sure by yourself. As I've said before - many technologies are done, but we should try them in new content before be sure that they will be in release. Content is in development.

 

That’s good. It sounds like the concept is solid and the plane set is still under evaluation. I can live with that for now and hope that the final planes or other vehicles included are appropriate to function in the new environment.

[CountZero]

11 hours ago, MiGCap said:

 

Many hours of developing work wasted. More load on the PC.

Complete unnecessary in my opinion. Sorry.

Also it would be used once and skiped on auto when starting game or taking airplane, just look how things are now, in SP you start with engine running, in MP you do not even taxi... only thing important is how fast your in air and in action. Waking up walking to HQ, brifing, looking around airplane talking with mehancs about airplanes state, taxiing and so on... in VR new GUI ... waist of time, and imagine if its not skipable lol

 

22 minutes ago, deathmisser said:

It hasn't been confirmed to be anything yet we had 5 WW2 modules why are we suddenly going to go to Korea where.

 

A. we've not had Leningrad yet,

B. North Africa,

C. Any Pacific stuff, 

D. Asia, 

E. Italian mainland.

 

Korea just won't work in the current series, we've not even got heavy bombers yet.

 

A. already shown and is being made by finland players

B. said not next thing

C. said not next thing

D. Korea is there

E. said not next thing

 

so Khalking Gol 39, Manchuria 45 or Korea 52 ?

 

[deathmisser]

27 minutes ago, CountZero said:

A. already shown and is being made by finland players

Where ? 

 

27 minutes ago, CountZero said:

B. said not next thing

It's ritually under part of Luke comment.

28 minutes ago, CountZero said:

D. Korea is there

I meant east Asia like Burma and China ect. 

 

 

[[CPT]Crunch]

I don't think most people realize the conundrum a Vietnam sim would present, there's two totally different air wars separated by a four year gap.  After Olds dealt with the peoples air force they disappeared for four solid years and not a single mig was encountered from 68 all the way to 72.

[E69_geramos109]

Are we going to have a 109 verssion for the Vietnam expanssion?

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

I don't think most people realize the conundrum a Vietnam sim would present, there's two totally different air wars separated by a four year gap.  After Olds dealt with the peoples air force they disappeared for four solid years and not a single mig was encountered from 68 all the way to 72.

I hope I live long enough to see a Vietnam map with objects , choppers and planes sort of complete in DCS. Choppers are really good in DCS. I do not wish or seek competition for that area. I want DCS to do it. 
but tried as I have I cannot really relate to ww2 era in DCs I like GB interface and environment with some exceptions. Korea is in between and I am not quite sure who I prefer to do it

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, deathmisser said:

Where ? 

 

It's ritually under part of Luke comment.

I meant east Asia like Burma and China ect. 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

And regarding North Africa they were clear in video from last year that this is not next, doubt in year time from then they changed what area new game gona be covering.

Edited October 3, 2023 by CountZero

[Trooper117]

15 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I cannot really relate to ww2 era in DCs I like GB interface and environment with some exceptions. Korea is in between and I am not quite sure who I prefer to do it

 

Well when you've made your mind up, can you let them know so they can crack on with it... it might sve a bit of time mate.

[Lusekofte]

4 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Well when you've made your mind up, can you let them know so they can crack on with it... it might sve a bit of time mate.

I only talk for myself. Knowing I probably going to buy it anyway. And if GB go there it do not rule out DCS at some point get the finger out. What I meant was except from some early choppers both will cover it pretty good. 
But you apparently get triggered by my post lately, and in my feeling deliberately put other meanings to them. I suggest you use the ignore function for that problem

Edited October 3, 2023 by Lusekofte