Discussion of Fortresses and Focke-Wulfs Announcement

[354thFG_Leifr]

1 hour ago, PO_Baldrick said:

I am not sure quite what that boat is?

 

The boat sailed about seven years ago when Blitz was released in a bit of a dud state, and the online population of Cliffs evaporated - it hasn't ever really recovered since then.

[CAG_Sanders]

I think there are still a decent amount of people interested in Cliffs, and hoping it can fulfill its potential. I know they are not doing it to make a lot of money, but I imagine Fulcrum does want something in return,even with how small it may be. So selling a DLC to 100 people is not likely to result in further development, but I could be wrong for sure.

 

I don't think TFS owns the community constant updates, but if they are really try to make a game with some sort of community they should try and be more transparent. Or just stay quiet until closer to actual release. I suspect Fulcrum is requiring announcements to gauge interest and how willing they are to allow TFS to keep developing. 

[Mysticpuma]

Any comment from Buzzsaw about the progress should really review the following post and give an honest update to the current state the software is in. Anything but honesty at this point and not including words like "we hope", "we'd like", will be met with apathy.

 

Oh and locking threads because you aren't hearing what you want to, is effective when it comes to sticking your fingers in your ears, but that doesn't make the issues go away.

[Kapteeni]

I would not compare BOX and DCS with CLOD. DCS is mostly for modern jets. Great Battles is the Best WW1 and WW2 sim. And then there is oldies like CloD and Il2 1946. I just hope that CloD will get updates  it still looks bestifull and it is fun.

[Volant_Eagle]

6 hours ago, Kapteeni said:

I would not compare BOX and DCS with CLOD. DCS is mostly for modern jets. Great Battles is the Best WW1 and WW2 sim. And then there is oldies like CloD and Il2 1946. I just hope that CloD will get updates  it still looks bestifull and it is fun.

I would still classify CloD, GB, and DCS as "the big three" nowadays. If you look at player base, then yeah, CloD has definitely fallen off a Cliff in comparison to the other two (haha, pun not originally intended), but in terms of actual content quality, those three stand out above all others (AFAIK). The 1946 "DNA" is definitely noticeable in CloD, but in terms of quality it is obviously a generation ahead.

 

I do definitely go to GB for WWI content, but that's because it's the only high quality option for WWI available right now. DCS is definitely a jet focused game (with a huge Vietnam gap) that has eventually ventured into WW2. But if I want WW2, I still prefer CloD over both. (Granted I do have a slight bias in interest towards early rather than late WW2).

 

1946 should definitely be grouped with the "oldies" like all the Microsoft combat sims (although it's far superior to all 3 Microsoft sims, and that's coming from someone who grew up on the Microsoft sims). CloD is not in that generation. CloD was released in 2011, DCS in 2009, and GB in 2014 though it was a revamp of a 2007 engine. All three have been receiving continuous updates since then. Combat Pilot is the only combat sim in the "next generation" AFAIK, and that's likely a few years out still.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

5 hours ago, Volant_Eagle said:

I would still classify CloD, GB, and DCS as "the big three" nowadays

 

 

Me too!

 

 

5 hours ago, Volant_Eagle said:

CloD was released in 2011, DCS in 2009, and GB in 2014 though it was a revamp of a 2007 engine.

 

 

The development of all three started in the same year, by 2003 approximately.

 

By the way, more exactly, about the releases, DCS was released with Black Shark in September/October 2008 and GB in November 2013 with the early access of Stalingrad.

 

 

5 hours ago, Volant_Eagle said:

Combat Pilot is the only combat sim in the "next generation" AFAIK, and that's likely a few years out still.

 

 

There's the WWII bomber-focused sim of Microprose in the works (B-17s, B-24s and Lancasters... but B-17 will come forst)

 

 

 

[Kapteeni]

What i like about CloD is the IL 1946 feeling. And even itse old, i like scenery of England. IL2 Normandy is OK, but it is too "empty". 

 

 

 

[Avimimus]

All of these engines have something they can do that the others' can't do. These simulations are sufficiently complex that it is interesting to see continued development of all of them. Let's keep on topic, this thread isn't really for comparing different simulation engines.

[Nickkyboy99]

Hopefully we'll get some sort of announcement this weekend

Edited December 21, 2024 by NicktheCanadian

[354thFG_Leifr]

4 hours ago, NicktheCanadian said:

Hopefully we'll get some sort of announcement this weekend

 

You've had it.

 

[BladeMeister]

After watching the TFS YouTube video released today, I am confused. CLOD is still a WWII flight simulator right?

I saw the disclaimer about the new trees being implemented, but if it was my call, I wouldn't have released this video as the trees look awful to me, especially from the 2 scenes like from 800 - 1000 foot altitude, my guess? I am going to fire up Blitz tomorrow and see what the trees look like currently, but I am going to go out on a limb and say the current trees look WAY better. Not trying to be negative Ned but damn, what's going on TFS?

 

S!Blade<><

Edited December 22, 2024 by BladeMeister

[No.54_Reddog]

On 12/18/2024 at 6:25 AM, Soto_Cinematics said:

For the record I am the PR manager of TFS and have been since early this year. TFS acknowledges the delay of Fortresses and Focke-Wulfs. Buzzsaw has stated that he is soon to make an announcement. This will be accompanied by an update detailing what has been happening. Things are not as dire as some might make it out to be and we have done much in the last months of the year - more detail on this soon.

 

While I hesitate to ask TFS for some sort of timescale estimate, when you posted your pre announcement announcement, what did you envisage in terms of delivery of the actual announcement? Were those thoughts in days, weeks or years? Just so we can set some expectations. (Which no doubt you'll fail to meet once again but who's counting?)

[Hiuuz]

5 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

I saw the disclaimer about the new trees being implemented, but if it was my call, I wouldn't have released this video as the trees look awful to me, especially from the 2 scenes like from 800 - 1000 foot altitude, my guess? I am going to fire up Blitz tomorrow and see what the trees look like currently, but I am going to go out on a limb and say the current trees look WAY better. Not trying to be negative Ned but damn, what's going on TFS?

The grass is too light so the contrast between grass and trees are too big. The less saturated colours in the current version looks better for my taste.

[SCG_Schneemann]

Those are ST5 trees, not the improved ST8 ones.

[major_setback]

58 minutes ago, SCG_Schneemann said:

Those are ST5 trees, not the improved ST8 

Removed

Edited December 22, 2024 by major_setback

[Dagwoodyt]

So still the old ST for current PR. What new aircraft have been imported into CloD? There must be at least one(?)🤨

[FTC_Rostic]

3 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

So still the old ST for current PR. What new aircraft have been imported into CloD? There must be at least one(?)🤨

Typhoon was imported. Was shown in videos. That is one new imported )))

[Hiuuz]

Something happening. The FoF announcement video is gone from TFS youtube channel.

[Mysticpuma]

I assume it will be remade with new content and another speculative date from Buzzsaw.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Mysticpuma

[343KKT_Kintaro]

The Fulqrum Channel still maintains the video online (otherwise, no idea if it is the corrected version, 'cause there was a "fix" version of this video I think). At any rate, here it goes:

 

 

 

[Hoots]

On 12/18/2024 at 9:04 AM, Soto_Cinematics said:

 

This is just a heads up, wait until the main event.

Any news? Or news about when the news may be appearing?

[Mistralfred901]

Anyway, it's the same video.  

At the end, it always says "RELEASE LATE 2024".

Now I really doubt it'll be released before the end of the year!

[BOO]

Its only my feeling but pre announcments of announcments should really be followed by the announcement within a reasonable timeframe, say 3 days to a week, otherwise it becomes pretty pointless and may as well not have been said.

 

Things may well "not be a dire as some make out" but there is nothing pubished to date to support that statement. Now Im sure some will say "TFS owes nothin to noone" etc but if you but bait in the water, you really need to keep on chumming otherwise the fish loose interest. 

[No.54_Reddog]

It's been 11 days since the pre announcement. In that time several TFS members including the owner have posted elsewhere in this forum. None have addressed the elephant in the room that their own stated release date will be missed. The poster of the pre announcement has chosen not to elucidate, and is quite possibly rethinking some life choices, who knows?

 

There are 3 days left of 2024. It has been clear for a very long time to some, clear for a much shorter period for others, that TFS will fail to deliver what they promised within the timescale they promised it yet again. That they refuse to publicly acknowledge it is IMO insulting to their customers but not without precedent, one only needs to look at their track history to see that.

 

 

[Mistralfred901]

I don't think TFS is the cause of the lack of information.  It's more likely to be Fulqrum! They're the bosses.

They're in charge, not TFS.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Mistralfred901

[BOO]

2 hours ago, Mistralfred901 said:

I don't think TFS is the cause of the lack of information.  It's more likely to be Fulqrum! They're the bosses.

They're in charge, not TFS.

 

Presumably they sanctioned the pre announcement then? Of course they didnt. 

 

I doubt Fulqrum have any more investment in this title that any of us actually. If they did it wouldnt be lanquishing at a price lower than many indie games in Stream and resting soley on the determination of a few "volunteers" for its future.  In the grand scheme of thing they probably paid less for it than any of us paid for the game since it came in a huge bucket of other stuff labelled "leftovers". I doubt those in charge at Fulqrum are any more aware of its existance than a new born antelope is of Gone with the Wind. 

Edited December 29, 2024 by BOO

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, Mistralfred901 said:

I don't think TFS is the cause of the lack of information.  It's more likely to be Fulqrum! They're the bosses.

They're in charge, not TFS.

Yeah, no, that's definitely not the case any more. The only situation that is delaying this is Buzzsaw working out how to word his announcement after the pre-announcement, so the announcement doesn't become a post pre-announcement announcing a pre-announcement of the actual announcement.

 

Ultimately, whatever comes next, really needs to be definitive and arrive on time. I would guess at this stage even Fulqrum have lost faith!

[Dagwoodyt]

Whatever happened with the pre-announced survey? Maybe pre-announcements are just the TFS way to respond when their cupboard is bare🤔

[Hiuuz]

I don't blame TFS because of the delays, but the communication with the community should be more open. This attitude makes a depressing mood all around CloD community.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Hiuuz

[Dagwoodyt]

5 hours ago, Mistralfred901 said:

I don't think TFS is the cause of the lack of information.  It's more likely to be Fulqrum! They're the bosses.

They're in charge, not TFS.

Fulqrum cannot force TFS to produce game content. That is all on TFS. If Fulqrum forced TFS to pre-announce a survey, TFS certainly has not followed through unless, of course, the survey was conducted secretly😉

Edited December 29, 2024 by Dagwoodyt

[BladeMeister]

I am so confused? What pre announcement are we speaking of? The one for FW&Fort a longtime ago in a galaxy far far away? Or is there a new announcement, 11 days ago?, of an upcoming announcement for FW&Fort a longtime ago into the future in a galaxy far far away? I am honestly confused now? Can someone, anyone besides dagwoodyt, please help me before I lose my mind here??? 😭

 

S!Blade<><

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, BladeMeister said:

I am so confused? What pre announcement are we speaking of? The one for FW&Fort a longtime ago in a galaxy far far away? Or is there a new announcement, 11 days ago?, of an upcoming announcement for FW&Fort a longtime ago into the future in a galaxy far far away? I am honestly confused now? Can someone, anyone besides dagwoodyt, please help me before I lose my mind here??? 😭

 

S!Blade<><

This pre-announcement 👀

[PO_Baldrick]

It is that magic word "soon" and context

 

Someone says dinner will be ready soon - it could reasonably be expected to be ready in matter of minutes maybe half an hour

 

When Volkswagen boss Thomas Schafer confirmed that the next-generation electric Golf R could arrive as soon as 2028, soon is a very different time measure!

 

I would anticipate the TFS announcement will be a lot sooner than the new Golf but sometime after dinner...

[Dagwoodyt]

Well what can anyone expect when the PR Manager announces in December that he has held that position since "early in the year" then states that someone else will make the next significant PR announcement?🤣

Edited December 29, 2024 by Dagwoodyt