Do we have the planeset to create the invasion of Italy? (Wondering if that could be the next expansion)

[Mysticpuma]

Title pretty much says it all. 

While personally I would love "Operation Torch", I think the agreement with Team Fusion rules that out, which is a bit of a sadness for me. That said though, the invasion of Italy and the areas it covered would have a large scope for content creation? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Italy

 

I know it's speculation, but as the title says, is the aircraft planeset suitable? 

 

Cheers, Mysticpuma. 

[CountZero]

We have the airplanes, considering what little they said about next new project its clear they are avoiding anything Italy, so only way we gona get anything Italy map in this game is if players making Leningrad map decide to make it after they finish that, so in next 5 years maybe...

 

Its Korea ?

 

 

found the post that sums up what they said in that great last first live stream from last year:

"I think the frustration is due to the fact that they told us that they know what it is, they are already working on an aircraft for it.

 

And they teased a bunch of stuff for the next one.

 

A. Swimming pilots

B. No carries

C. Needs lot of resourses

D. it's not Italy

E. It's something new 

F. Piston engine themed

G. Little to no cities

H. Not in the Pacific

I. It was almost gonna be Malta if Jason had his way. 

J. They picked five theatres of war before deciding the final one. "

 

 

 

already 9 months pased LOL, maybe in a year time we gona get to see what they are working in secret all this time ?

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by CountZero

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

I still mourn for no Malta.

[Gambit21]

It's not Italy.

[Hoss]

Korea?.... but no carriers?........ It's sorely missing. Land and Carrier based operations, is beyond their scope I reckon. I think Great Battles is IL2's swan song. If there is a team supposedly working on it, why no information about it. TC and FC... same story. In their roadmap they say nothing about the new engine or theater of war. They should give this game to team Fusion..... they seem motivated, they are about to announce chapter 6.0 to their game.

 

JMTCW...

 

Hoss

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

D. it's not Italy

I. It was almost gonna be Malta if Jason had his way. 

The devs likely meant the Italian Campaign from September 1943 to 1945. IMO it would require two maps and the only new planes would be the G.55 or MC.205 and the Re.2005; better off as collector maps.

 

I feel Jason meant the invasion of Sicily which would include Malta to launch strikes against Sicily and quite likely the Siege of Malta from 1941-42 using PWCG.

[Hoss]

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CountZero said: The devs likely meant the Italian Campaign from September 1943 to 1945. IMO it would require two maps and the only new planes would be the G.55 or MC.205 and the Re.2005; better off as collector maps.

Flyable B-25 and B-26 for the Allies would be nice, maybe a Beaufighter, new P-38, Gloster Gladiator, Hudson, Boston, Me-323.... Guided He-111 weapons...

[tattywelshie]

Who knows when/if we'll ever find out about the next project, as has been said, its been months since we had any sort of news on the new project

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Hoss said:

Korea?.... but no carriers?........ It's sorely missing. Land and Carrier based operations, is beyond their scope I reckon. I think Great Battles is IL2's swan song. If there is a team supposedly working on it, why no information about it. TC and FC... same story. In their roadmap they say nothing about the new engine or theater of war. They should give this game to team Fusion..... they seem motivated, they are about to announce chapter 6.0 to their game.

 

This is definitely not IL2's swansong. ? As I've said before, I see the progress reports all the time about the new project on our internal communication channels.

 

1 hour ago, tattywelshie said:

Who knows when/if we'll ever find out about the next project, as has been said, its been months since we had any sort of news on the new project

 

The news will come when it's ready to be announced. ? I can't say when, but it will come in a timely manner.

[Avimimus]

11 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

As I've said before, I see the progress reports all the time about the new project on our internal communication channels.

 

You keep saying this, and it gets harder and harder for me to resist trying to hack your account.

 

  

4 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

I know it's speculation, but as the title says, is the aircraft planeset suitable? 

 

Cheers, Mysticpuma. 

 

There are some older threads on this. It is fun to do 'theory crafting' of possible modules (even if we know that they aren't going to exist any time soon). There are a number of interesting aircraft (e.g. Mosquito B Mk.IX) from circa ~1943-1944, plus the Italian fighters, that would allow a ten aircraft module to be developed (in theory). But it does appear that Italy has been ruled out for now.

[Jaegermeister]

They would have to fix the P-40 and give it a better engine, introduce an F, L or N model maybe

[R33GZ]

If it's Korea, then I don't know how you get around the no pacific or carriers and it being piston engine themed. I would have thought that those 3 points most definitely rule out Korea as it has shores on the pacific ocean, had a large carrier presence and ultimately had a lot of jet engine ops. 

[Gambit21]

27 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

They would have to fix the P-40 and give it a better engine, introduce an F, L or N model maybe

 

This

[Enceladus828]

Regarding the OP’s question about if we have the plane set to do the invasion of Italy, if that refers to the Italian Campaign from September 1943-1945 then we pretty much do with the BoN and BoBP plane set and are only really missing the Italian birds; if that refers to the invasion of Sicily then we have the MC.202, some BoK planes, the B-25 and B-26.

 

This would be a good plane set for an IL-2 Battle of Sicily:

 

Allies:

Beaufighter Mk.X

Spitfire Mk.VIII

A-36

P-38G

P-40N

 

Axis:

SM.79

G.55 or MC.205

Re.2002

Ju-88A-17

Ju-87D-5

[ITAF_Rani]

9 hours ago, Enceladus said:

Regarding the OP’s question about if we have the plane set to do the invasion of Italy, if that refers to the Italian Campaign from September 1943-1945 then we pretty much do with the BoN and BoBP plane set and are only really missing the Italian birds; if that refers to the invasion of Sicily then we have the MC.202, some BoK planes, the B-25 and B-26.

 

This would be a good plane set for an IL-2 Battle of Sicily:

 

Allies:

Beaufighter Mk.X

Spitfire Mk.VIII

A-36

P-38G

P-40N

 

Axis:

SM.79

G.55 or MC.205

Re.2002

Ju-88A-17

Ju-87D-5

This title could sell a lot...

The nap could be only the South of Italy...but unfortunately it will not be...

[Trooper117]

More WWI stuff, then I'll probably buy it (for GB)... for the new project, well, it's Korea or nothing for me, and if they continue with more 'projects', they can expand and put a naval side of the conflict that will give us carriers... that is if they have actually worked out how to put them into their new project.

Without the assurances of carriers to come in the future (if it's Korea of course, but we all know it probably will be) I'm not sure I'm of a mind to buy it. We shall see, but I am hoping they will go down that route.

 

Over on the 'other' well known combat flight sim, the head honcho has already confirmed they will be doing a Korea map and a Vietnam map at some stage, plus they have a full capability of working carriers, so eventually Corsairs and early jet carrier ops will turn up.

[JG27_Steini]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

More WWI stuff, then I'll probably buy it (for GB)... for the new project, well, it's Korea or nothing for me, and if they continue with more 'projects', they can expand and put a naval side of the conflict that will give us carriers... that is if they have actually worked out how to put them into their new project.

Without the assurances of carriers to come in the future (if it's Korea of course, but we all know it probably will be) I'm not sure I'm of a mind to buy it. We shall see, but I am hoping they will go down that route.

 

Over on the 'other' well known combat flight sim, the head honcho has already confirmed they will be doing a Korea map and a Vietnam map at some stage, plus they have a full capability of working carriers, so eventually Corsairs and early jet carrier ops will turn up.

 

I dont understand why Korea is so exciting for much people. It sure is an interresting setting, but it would be jet's versus piston engines. That would very much end up in single-side MP or SP. Imagine SP career piston engine career fighting of jet's. Currently we have the Me262, but it is very limited and only late war. The game engine then needs to provide solutions for piston vs. jet planes in SP. At it's current state it would have devasting effects.

[ITAF_Rani]

Sure Afrika is only Team Fusion property?

Maybe in these last months things or agreements could be changed....

[Avimimus]

14 hours ago, R33GZ said:

If it's Korea, then I don't know how you get around the no pacific or carriers and it being piston engine themed. I would have thought that those 3 points most definitely rule out Korea as it has shores on the pacific ocean, had a large carrier presence and ultimately had a lot of jet engine ops. 

 

If you limit it to the initial air battles in 1950 then the jets would be the P-80/F-80, essentially everything else has propellers (and it took a while for carriers to arrive in numbers - although some, like HMS Triumph, were active in the summer of 1950). I agree though - it would seem to be ruled out logically. That said, I'm not counting on anything though and I'll wait for an official announcement - there could be some misinterpretations circulating among us (i.e. misunderstandings of official statements, mistranslations).

 

 

  

14 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

They would have to fix the P-40 and give it a better engine, introduce an F, L or N model maybe

 

I want a Tomahawk as a Collector Plane for the Battle of Moscow: The P-40 in Soviet Aviation – Lend-Lease

 

Although the "Kittybomber" has some appeal:

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, JG27_Steini said:

but it would be jet's versus piston engines.

 

Korea... 5 years after the end of WWII.

Piston engine fighters and jets saw combat... both sides have jet technology as well as propeller driven aircraft.

That means you could have MiG-15's v F-86 Sabres, plus Corsairs and Mustangs fighting it out with Yak-9's and La-11's.

There were prop driven attack aircraft like the Skyraider and IL-10... plus prop driven bombers. 

A whole multitude of aircraft I haven't even mentioned yet could be included.

So it's not just Jet v props...

[FuriousMeow]

I remember back when I was a young lad and I emailed Microprose for some reason asking about a new WWII game while referencing B17 and PAW. They actually replied and said one was in development and gave some info but not much. A few years later EAW was released.

 

Point is, lack of info doesn't mean anything. Its just very early in development and they clearly don't have much confirmed. I have many concerns with the "new game mode" but will just have to wait and see.

 

As far as Italy or Malta, that would be super cool but would probably have to pin our hopes on a 3rd party map maker. Korea, not so much cool.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Korea... 5 years after the end of WWII.

Piston engine fighters and jets saw combat... both sides have jet technology as well as propeller driven aircraft.

That means you could have MiG-15's v F-86 Sabres, plus Corsairs and Mustangs fighting it out with Yak-9's and La-11's.

There were prop driven attack aircraft like the Skyraider and IL-10... plus prop driven bombers. 

A whole multitude of aircraft I haven't even mentioned yet could be included.

So it's not just Jet v props...

Yep

in other words “prop based”

 

[JG27_Steini]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Korea... 5 years after the end of WWII.

Piston engine fighters and jets saw combat... both sides have jet technology as well as propeller driven aircraft.

That means you could have MiG-15's v F-86 Sabres, plus Corsairs and Mustangs fighting it out with Yak-9's and La-11's.

There were prop driven attack aircraft like the Skyraider and IL-10... plus prop driven bombers. 

A whole multitude of aircraft I haven't even mentioned yet could be included.

So it's not just Jet v props...

 

You can not divide both types. They will be on the same battle field the same time. How do you think MP would be, when 50% of the planes have a great advantage. At the end most player will fly jets only. The same as SP player when you costantly get wrecked by 100 km/h faster jet fighter. WW I or II has a good balancing, making all planes comparable to each other. If the engine can handle it by new AI or other factors, it would be good step forward, but i highly doubt that.

[Trooper117]

Here we go, MP bias yet again... forget balanced, war isn't balanced or fair.

But if you want a 'balanced' game, then server options could simply have all aircraft props or in fact just jets.

If you want historical accuracy you suck it up and accept the risks... you know it is ok to think outside the box now and then...

[BlitzPig_EL]

If you want to do a 1950 single player campaign, props vs. props, it would be interesting, and very short.  The NKAF was essentially wiped out in two weeks. (Be sure).  On the ground the UN forces mopped the floor with the North Korea Army.  It was only the intervention of the Chinese that kept the war from being over in 1950/51.

 

The real issue in single player is how are you going to get the AI to be as bad as the North Korean air force was.

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

The real issue in single player is how are you going to get the AI to be as bad as the North Korean air force was.

I think that issue has already been solved.  

[R33GZ]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Korea... 5 years after the end of WWII.

Piston engine fighters and jets saw combat... both sides have jet technology as well as propeller driven aircraft.

That means you could have MiG-15's v F-86 Sabres, plus Corsairs and Mustangs fighting it out with Yak-9's and La-11's.

There were prop driven attack aircraft like the Skyraider and IL-10... plus prop driven bombers. 

A whole multitude of aircraft I haven't even mentioned yet could be included.

So it's not just Jet v props...

That's a bit of stretch though really. The US certainly used their piston engined attack aircraft extensively in the ground attack role... but as far as aerial engagements go there were only a few encounters. Most of it was jets over the Yalu area.

[Trooper117]

18 minutes ago, R33GZ said:

but as far as aerial engagements go there were only a few encounters.

 

Yet they happened... I think some people think if you play the game it's has to be 100 percent historical to the letter.

It will never be that accurate in any flight sim game you have ever played.

Play any career in the GB series... if anyone thinks they are playing a truly historical mission they need their heads examined.

You get an approximation of aviation war fighting in WWII or WWI, that's it...

[Mysticpuma]

And...... back to Italy ?

?

[LukeFF]

[CountZero]

12 hours ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

I dont understand why Korea is so exciting for much people. It sure is an interresting setting, but it would be jet's versus piston engines. That would very much end up in single-side MP or SP. Imagine SP career piston engine career fighting of jet's. Currently we have the Me262, but it is very limited and only late war. The game engine then needs to provide solutions for piston vs. jet planes in SP. At it's current state it would have devasting effects.

F-86 vs Mig-15 is as balanced as Yak-1 vs 109F4 was, it would be in next game engine not this one, from what they hint at this and new project is separate games

On 8/16/2023 at 1:23 AM, R33GZ said:

If it's Korea, then I don't know how you get around the no pacific or carriers and it being piston engine themed. I would have thought that those 3 points most definitely rule out Korea as it has shores on the pacific ocean, had a large carrier presence and ultimately had a lot of jet engine ops. 

pacific was war teather in ww2, korea is its own war

you can have most of airplanes piston ones, La-9,Yak-9P, Tu-2, IL-10, F-51, F4U, B-26, SeaFury, and only jets can be Mig-15, F-80, F-84, F-86 

no need for carriers if you pick area where they didnt participated, also most navy airplanes got used by marines from land bases, also we did ge 2 west front dlcs in GB where big bombers flew , and they didnt add them, its as easy as that to just avoid carriers in any korea setting if they cant bather with them 

Edited August 16, 2023 by CountZero

[Hoss]

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This is definitely not IL2's swansong. ? As I've said before, I see the progress reports all the time about the new project on our internal communication channels.

To paraphrase Robert Burns'.........   "The best-laid schemes of mice and men"

 

However carefully you plan a particular undertaking, something nevertheless often goes wrong with it along the way.

So, another way of putting it would be to say that, the best-laid plans can nevertheless end up going awry when it comes to putting them into practice. (Torpedoes, ditching in water, Seaplanes, fuel management) Unexpected difficulties can arise, or the proverbial spanner can be thrown in the works, sometimes by outside forces. LIKE THE WAR... the huge elephant in the room...

 

Anyhoooo...

Korea without carriers, or the Pacific contingent, I'm not sure I'll even consider it. CBI, (Hurricanes, Spitfire maybe, A-36, P-40's, P-51, P47's, P-38's, C-47, B-25, P-61)... or just AVG, maybe to start... but then we are back to fixing the P-40... and of course making Japanese planes older than the Zero (As hard a time as Jason had getting intel on the Zero and other Japanese planes, imagine getting anything on the older ones)

 

At least Jason finally found his round tuit, and got started on what we have all been waiting for.   

Spoiler

 

 

 

Hoss

 

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by Hoss

[LukeFF]

Man, I'm going to be glad when the new project is announced and it finally lays to rest all the pessimism I'm seeing here and elsewhere. ?

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

Man, I'm going to be glad when the new project is announced and it finally lays to rest all the pessimism I'm seeing here and elsewhere. ?

And when might that be Sir?

 

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[LukeFF]

20 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

And when might that be Sir?

 

S!Blade<><

 

Hopefully sooner rather than later. ?

[JG27_Steini]

6 hours ago, CountZero said:

F-86 vs Mig-15 is as balanced as Yak-1 vs 109F4 was.

 

This is the one-side gameplay i was talking about. You will have 2 jets fighting each other. And then?

Edited August 17, 2023 by JG27_Steini

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

This is the one-side gameplay i was talking about. You will have 2 jets fighting each other. And then?

In Italy? ?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

8 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Man, I'm going to be glad when the new project is announced and it finally lays to rest all the pessimism I'm seeing here and elsewhere. ?

I don't think it's pessimism about the new project, at least it isn't for me. I'm actually pretty optimistic that whatever they're creating is going to be great, based on the few things they did announce

 

 I think a lot of the "bad vibes" come from the current uncertainty about how this project relates to IL2; i.e. does it combine with our beloved flight sim with 80-ish flyable planes, maps and many great scripted campaigns, or do we need to start over again in a different sim?

[JG27_Steini]

2 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

In Italy? ?

 

Sure ?

[NachtJaeger110]

Italy would have been nice, think of battles above the landings in Salerno and Anzio, even Monte Cassino, and all in the mountains...

But by applying all the hints it could be:

- Battle of Burma (Indian ocean, prelude to more pacific!)

- Courland Pocket

- Balaton Lake

 

also possible areas that don't really fit "little to no cities":

- Battle of Tunisia (but no Tunis?)

- Spanish Civil War (but no Madrid?)

- Winter War (but no Leningrad?)

 

Can't wait to finally preorder whatever it will be^^