Boeing B-17E forms up over England 1942

[Livai]

-> What you think will we see them in their next DLC 6.0???

 

The Eighth Air Force launches its first strategic bombing raid of the war, sending Boeing B-17Es to strike against the railyards of "Sotteville-lès-Rouen", intended to support the upcoming "Operation JUBILEE" with its amphibious landings on Dieppe, France.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Livai

[343KKT_Kintaro]

"What you think will we see them in their next DLC 6.0???"

 

Was this quoted from somewhere in the forums?

 

At any rate, I may be wrong but I suspect we'll have those 4-engine bombers in the game. Rumours of B-17 Es and B-24 As... 

 

 

[Mysticpuma]

13 hours ago, Livai said:

-> What you think will we see them in their next DLC 6.0???

 

The Eighth Air Force launches its first strategic bombing raid of the war, sending Boeing B-17Es to strike against the railyards of "Sotteville-lès-Rouen", intended to support the upcoming "Operation JUBILEE" with its amphibious landings on Dieppe, France.

Maybe TF v9

[Livai]

On 6/25/2023 at 8:15 AM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Was this quoted from somewhere in the forums?

 

No

I remember there was talk about the B-17 stuff in this forum here. As far I remember if I am wrong someone can correct / update me but it was said when they make the B-17 even flyable someday with one very important restriction -> You can't use all Turret - Gunner position from the B-17 only the Turret - Gunner position that are important the others are Ai only.

 

On 6/25/2023 at 1:11 PM, Mysticpuma said:

Maybe TF v9

 

Then how play historically accurate the "Operation Jubilee"???  You need to strike against the railyards in Sotteville-lès-Rouen - this strike is intended to support the upcoming "Operation Jubilee"

 

-> Historically accurate is always to use the planes what took part of this strike

[Enceladus828]

4 hours ago, Livai said:

No

I remember there was talk about the B-17 stuff in this forum here. As far I remember if I am wrong someone can correct / update me but it was said when they make the B-17 even flyable someday with one very important restriction

 

Then how play historically accurate the "Operation Jubilee"???  You need to strike against the railyards in Sotteville-lès-Rouen - this strike is intended to support the upcoming "Operation Jubilee"

Right here, Buzzsaw stated the B-24 or B-17 might be in TF 6.0 -- at the very least they would be more of a priority than a flyable Sunderland, Fw-200, etc.

(Fan based poll) What 2 AI aircraft would you want to see flyable? - General Discussion - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum (il2sturmovik.com)

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

On the same thread, Buzzsaw said "The other aircraft I have listed would be logical steps as the game moves into 1942-43... but this list is not an official one"

 

So...

 

1) It's not an official list, it's only the mention of planes which, as flyable only, should be considered as a priority before any AI plane of "Blitz" becomes itself flyable. It doesn't mean that they'll become flyable, it means that making flyable the AI planes has less priority than making flyable other planes that never have been modelled in the game.

 

2) Even if TFS started modelling 4-engine bombers like the B-17 of the B-24, please remember that part of Buzzsaw's message that reads "would be logical steps as the game moves into 1942-43"... so, first of all, for these bombers become flyable we'd need the game moves into 1942-1943... while version 6 stays in 1941-1942... so, please gentlemen, forget the 4-engine bombers as flyables in version 6.

 

As a conclusion: Mysticpuma made a joke when mentioning "version 9", but he meant, I guess, that if the 4-engine bombers happen in this game, they won't happen in a close future, and not in version 6, for sure.

 

 

[Livai]

19 hours ago, Enceladus said:

Buzzsaw stated the B-24 or B-17 might be in TF 6.0 -- at the very least they would be more of a priority than a flyable Sunderland, Fw-200, etc.

 

Even as Ai - plane - these planes have priority when we move further.............

 

5 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

2) Even if TFS started modelling 4-engine bombers like the B-17 of the B-24, please remember that part of Buzzsaw's message that reads "would be logical steps as the game moves into 1942-43"... so, first of all, for these bombers become flyable we'd need the game moves into 1942-1943... while version 6 stays in 1941-1942... so, please gentlemen, forget the 4-engine bombers as flyables in version 6.

 

The problem is "Operation JUBILEE". We move to 1942. We get the Fw-190 A-1/A-2/A-3 and the counter plane Spit Mk IX as logical step. Maybe the Bf-109 G-1 and G-2 too but this is in the moment pure speculation.

 

Back to topic

 

The timeline from TF 6.0 DLC start to cover the "Operation JUBILEE" timeline. And remember Buzzsaw said depending on the scenario and the scenario is the key here. We not even need a new map when we start to cover 1941 - 1942.  - Why read below

 

   ->    If they extending the timeline to June-July 1942 from Tobruk, why? - see below

• B-24’s start in June 1942 to bomb Tobruk harbor and everything around
• B-17’s start in July 1942 to bomb Tobruk harbor and everything around

Source [https://media.defense.gov/2010/May/25/2001330283/-1/-1/0/AFD-100525-035.pdf]

 

   ->    If they extending the timeline to August 1942 from Channel Map, why? - see below

• B-17’s start in 17 August 1942 to bomb the railroads from Rouen-Sotteville, France

Source [https://files.battenberg-gietl.de/public/leseproben/leseprobe-regensburg-die-katastrophe-vom-17-august-1943.pdf]

Edited June 27, 2023 by Livai

[343KKT_Kintaro]

3 hours ago, Livai said:

If they extending the timeline to August 1942 from Channel Map, why?

 

 

Please allow I bring two precisions to the above:

 

1) With the upcoming version (v. 6), TFS is not extending the timeline to August 1942 but to late Autumn 1942... and, normally, the last day of Autumn 1942 is December the 20th, 1942, at two weeks only from the first days of 1943.

 

2) TFS is not extending the timeline... "from Channel map". They are extending the timeline for the next add-on, and the latter will be set in a new map, that's all. Same as since 2020 version 5 happens to be set in a map that was new at the time (the Tobruk map), version 6 will be set in a future map that will be new in the game.

 

Some historical air battles took place over the English Channel after the Battle of Britain. The reenactment of such battles became possible for all possessors of the Tobruk add-on... but such a thing didn't happen on purpose, it simply was an indirect consequence of the add-on's release. The same phenomenon will happen at release of version 6, and we may expect that the Dieppe Raid becomes playable in the game, but not necessarily with all of the historically involved aircraft, not necessarily with flyable B-17s in the game.

 

 

[Trooper117]

For many RAF pilots, the 'Battle of Britain' didn't end in October... that's something that officialdom has decided. The battle with the Luftwaffe continued on a regular basis for them many months afterwards.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

For many RAF pilots, the 'Battle of Britain' didn't end in October... that's something that officialdom has decided. The battle with the Luftwaffe continued on a regular basis for them many months afterwards.

 

 

Well, Trooper, I guess that the base game and its planeset are mainly conceived to stick to the period of Summer of 1940... don't you think so?

 

[Trooper117]

Of course... I'm just dropping a little info that some pilots have alluded to that's all. 

[Livai]

On 6/27/2023 at 11:03 PM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Please allow I bring two precisions to the above:

 

1) With the upcoming version (v. 6), TFS is not extending the timeline to August 1942 but to late Autumn 1942... and, normally, the last day of Autumn 1942 is December the 20th, 1942, at two weeks only from the first days of 1943.

 

2) TFS is not extending the timeline... "from Channel map". They are extending the timeline for the next add-on, and the latter will be set in a new map, that's all. Same as since 2020 version 5 happens to be set in a map that was new at the time (the Tobruk map), version 6 will be set in a future map that will be new in the game.

 

Some historical air battles took place over the English Channel after the Battle of Britain. The reenactment of such battles became possible for all possessors of the Tobruk add-on... but such a thing didn't happen on purpose, it simply was an indirect consequence of the add-on's release. The same phenomenon will happen at release of version 6, and we may expect that the Dieppe Raid becomes playable in the game, but not necessarily with all of the historically involved aircraft, not necessarily with flyable B-17s in the game.

 

 

Did you check where the Fw-190 A-1/A-2 and the A-3 operating. You will notice that everything interesting starts with from Nov. 1942 - North Africa - Malta -  Sicily - Mediterranean theatre. But for this fun we need already the A-4 and upwards.

 

But we stick with the A-1 upwards to A-3, Jagdgeschwaders 26 was equipment with them and where was Jagdgeschwaders 26 flying Jul. 1941 - 1942 around Normandy - Channel - Netherlands.  Part of Channel Dash - Operation Cerberus - Operation Donnerkeil - to shoot down allied bomber formations and to secure the coastal area.

 

There are no more options....................

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Well, Livai, where will TFS take us? We'll see...