Request to devs about 109 and 190

[-=PHX=-Satch]

Please devs give some words about apparent issues in FM of 109 and 190.

IMHO the accelerated stall in those planes are to exagerated.

 

Sorry my english...

[-=PHX=-Satch]

Nothing to say...

[Leaf]

Give them time. There will still be an overall FM revision for all planes AFAIK.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

109 review has already been stated and 190 has only been out for ten days. All of the FM's can use a little tune up. Give them some time. They are working at a furious pace and communicating, for the most part, quite well.

Edited July 31, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[Nage]

109 review has already been stated and 190 has only been out for ten days. All of the FM's can use a little tune up. Give them some time. They are working at a furious pace and communicating, for the most part, quite well.

In ROF, back in the days. It started with 2 or FM revisions. After that, for other planes nothing. I hope it wont be the same with BOS.

Edited July 31, 2014 by tikvic

[SYN_Vorlander]

Time and money M8, time and money.

 

Remember these words.

[Nage]

Time and money M8, time and money.

 

Remember these words.

Vice versa. Money will come from customers (mainly MPers) when they see devs care about fixing FMs. Time shouldnt be an issue. Who is here impatient and why?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Implying they don't care or complaining that they don't reply directly to every demand posted in a public forum is utterly ridiculous. Work is ongoing, they obviously care about their product, communicate often and patch on a weekly basis. When the last full patch had flaws they smoothed it out the next business day. You can expect incremental fixes along the way until release. There is still much heavy lifting to do before they go back and do all of the minor tweaks of which there are multitudes. Probably more than we as common users are even aware of. Stall behavior is important but hardly critical at THIS POINT in the development.

 

It's fine if you constructively criticize performance aspects but to accuse them of such things is, frankly, outrageous and childish to the extreme.

Edited July 31, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[-=PHX=-Satch]

I wish the best luck to the team really . I hope they can fix FM problems.

This sim now at 60% is so beautiful to fly...

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

I suspect they won't fix the Luftwaffe flight models until after official release. Reasoning is pretty simple; it'll just be part of Version 1.1 or something. The FM we have is more-than-functional and they have acknowledged its flaws. They've still got single missions, campaigns, and one very complex aircraft left to do in addition to lots of other things.

[Nage]

Implying they don't care or complaining that they don't reply directly to every demand posted in a public forum is utterly ridiculous. Work is ongoing, they obviously care about their product, communicate often and patch on a weekly basis. When the last full patch had flaws they smoothed it out the next business day. You can expect incremental fixes along the way until release. There is still much heavy lifting to do before they go back and do all of the minor tweaks of which there are multitudes. Probably more than we as common users are even aware of. Stall behavior is important but hardly critical at THIS POINT in the development.

 

It's fine if you constructively criticize performance aspects but to accuse them of such things is, frankly, outrageous and childish to the extreme.

 

Nobody implying anything. Wer are talking about big and apparent FM innacuracies which most users can notice (and noticed) and compare with rl data. The problem is that we, ex ROF customers have some negative experiences when FM fixes are concern. Thats all.

Edited August 1, 2014 by tikvic

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

August 1:

"Nobody implying anything."

July 31:

"Money will come from customers (mainly MPers) when they see devs care about fixing FMs. Time shouldnt be an issue."

 

These two quotes are incompatible.

[Nage]

August 1:

"Nobody implying anything."

July 31:

"Money will come from customers (mainly MPers) when they see devs care about fixing FMs. Time shouldnt be an issue."

 

These two quotes are incompatible.

 

Ofcourse. Up untill now their response (regarding 109 rudder) is positive. We will se IF they WILL fix it. For too fast roll rates we didnt hear anything so we can only hope they wil fix it. Same for the other issues. All I was saying is If they DONT respond they WILL lose some (ususally the core of the MP community) of the customers. This what happened in already finished FM saga in ROF. Customers who are satisfied wi the the product (not just the visuals and 3d models, so in this case MPers wth FM fixes) are willing to buy more planes, weapon mods and maps just to support the sim development, even thought ,they wont fly all that planes and on all maps. This is what I was reffering to when I was talking about money and support....you throw your money where you "think it will grow".

And btw, if you didnt noticed, I bought the sim already so I do some faith in the team. If they dont meet my expetations I will move on. But if there will be more ppl quitting MP.... Like we have in ROF now, where the MP is dying in slow death...

And a small notice: Even if they dont fix the FM issues, BOS will have its audience. Just, it wont be the guys who arent fitting into the "midcore audience" as Loft call them...

Edited August 1, 2014 by tikvic

[Matt]

I think the 190 rollrate is a pretty good sign that they don't plan to keep the roll rate for the other planes.

 

I hope they are more successful than i've been finding reliable test data for rollrate/aileron control forces of the other planes though.

[303_Kwiatek]

I see any problem with 109 or 190 stall.  I think that stall is very good modeled in both planes.  I hope they will fix other things which are improratant  like rudder oversensivity, negative flick rolls with push stick, and Fw 190 performance ( speed and climb).

[Sakkay]

Ofcourse. Up untill now their response (regarding 109 rudder) is positive. We will se IF they WILL fix it. For too fast roll rates we didnt hear anything so we can only hope they wil fix it. Same for the other issues. All I was saying is If they DONT respond they WILL lose some (ususally the core of the MP community) of the customers. This what happened in already finished FM saga in ROF. Customers who are satisfied wi the the product (not just the visuals and 3d models, so in this case MPers wth FM fixes) are willing to buy more planes, weapon mods and maps just to support the sim development, even thought ,they wont fly all that planes and on all maps. This is what I was reffering to when I was talking about money and support....you throw your money where you "think it will grow".

And btw, if you didnt noticed, I bought the sim already so I do some faith in the team. If they dont meet my expetations I will move on. But if there will be more ppl quitting MP.... Like we have in ROF now, where the MP is dying in slow death...

And a small notice: Even if they dont fix the FM issues, BOS will have its audience. Just, it wont be the guys who arent fitting into the "midcore audience" as Loft call them...

I totally agree...

[4Shades]

"midcore"  LOL

 

Let's create a ratings table:

 

lowcore      WT, Crimson Skies, ...

midcore      BOS, IL-2, ROF, ...

highcore     DCS, Falcon4, CloD?

 

I can just see it now, forums full of "core" wars!!