Air Gunners

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

Hi All, Not sure if this question has been posed on the forum before, but are there any missions dedicated just to the defensive air gunners.

 

If down the development track of this suburb combat flight sim we may see the introduction of four engine heavy bombers it would be a good test for future AI where fighter threats could be called out to the gunners and it would be an experience for us mere players to feel what it must have been like in those cold cramped turrets for hours on end.

 

Cheers

Edited May 8, 2023 by taffy2jeffmorgan

[Rudini]

Hi Jeff,

 

no special career for gunners.

 

But i did it this way:

- normal career

- start mission on runway as a pilot

- press autopilot

- switch to gunner position

 

 

This is a good way to simulate a career from scratch since there is no flight school and trainer aircraft, beside u-2.

Like austrohungarian pilots from ww1 like Franz Gräser or Siegfried Rudorfer i start as a gunner in a dfw c.v then "teach myself" on the front, like the both mentioned pilots. After all i go ahead as a pilot.

Gunnery school is the quick mission builder airfield Köln-Butzweilerhof on the Rhineland map. There was the FEA7 where the Red Baron himself was thaught within a week to be a gunner.

 

 

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

Thanks Rudini , I am surprised that the air gunner has never been given a couple of missions to better his skills, not sure if I have ever seen a tutorial dedicated to the gunners ?

[FeuerFliegen]

it would be awesome if someone talented could make a scripted campaign as a turret gunner

[da11en47]

Just a side question, has anyone ever seen an AI enemy attack a bomber from a different angle. All I ever see if fighters come in from a bombers 6, not the smartest move. 

[6./ZG26_Custard]

48 minutes ago, da11en47 said:

Just a side question, has anyone ever seen an AI enemy attack a bomber from a different angle. All I ever see if fighters come in from a bombers 6, not the smartest move. 

It what online players tend to do 99% of the time anyway, as the only gunner that poses the slightest treat are the 410 gunners. It's just AI imitating real life at this point. 

[Bubb]

Luv the idea a a gunner campaign. Would be such fun.

[Jaredfogle]

On 5/17/2023 at 3:39 AM, Rudini said:

Hi Jeff,

 

no special career for gunners.

 

But i did it this way:

- normal career

- start mission on runway as a pilot

- press autopilot

- switch to gunner position

 

 

This is a good way to simulate a career from scratch since there is no flight school and trainer aircraft, beside u-2.

Like austrohungarian pilots from ww1 like Franz Gräser or Siegfried Rudorfer i start as a gunner in a dfw c.v then "teach myself" on the front, like the both mentioned pilots. After all i go ahead as a pilot.

Gunnery school is the quick mission builder airfield Köln-Butzweilerhof on the Rhineland map. There was the FEA7 where the Red Baron himself was thaught within a week to be a gunner.

 

 

 

Thanks. I will try that out.

[Yogiflight]

On 5/23/2023 at 11:28 PM, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

It what online players tend to do 99% of the time anyway, as the only gunner that poses the slightest treat are the 410 gunners.

You should surprise them by taking control of the rear gun yourself.

[Avimimus]

On 5/23/2023 at 4:38 PM, da11en47 said:

Just a side question, has anyone ever seen an AI enemy attack a bomber from a different angle. All I ever see if fighters come in from a bombers 6, not the smartest move. 

 

It'd be really great if they developed a more modular and contextual AI (e.g. selecting manoeuvres based on aircraft type, or position).

 

I suspect doing things like head-on passes against bombers requires quite a bit of set-up. So one would need to have an AI capable of getting into position and then have the AI be able to conduct an effective attack - probably not the easiest thing to program. I'd love to see an option for realistic AI morale first (e.g. fleeing when outnumbered) or see some more WWI manoeuvres added (which can be quite different from WWII manoeuvres) - this will be a bigger issue when they introduce the F.E.2b - which really needs its own distinct set of tactics!

[CountZero]

On 5/23/2023 at 11:28 PM, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

It what online players tend to do 99% of the time anyway, as the only gunner that poses the slightest treat are the 410 gunners. It's just AI imitating real life at this point. 

and i would not be suprised if 410 gunners sone got same failed brain operation to fix the problem fighter players expiriance now with 410s

[JG4_Moltke1871]

12 hours ago, CountZero said:

and i would not be suprised if 410 gunners sone got same failed brain operation to fix the problem fighter players expiriance now with 410s

Unfortunately you might be right

[6./ZG26_Custard]

22 hours ago, CountZero said:

and i would not be suprised if 410 gunners sone got same failed brain operation to fix the problem fighter players expiriance now with 410s

 

9 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

Unfortunately you might be right

 

I think you are right 

[LukeFF]

Alright, I think this topic has run its course. If you want to complain about the gunners, do so in the Complaints section.