DD 342 has been released.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Greg has great video about Ta 152 on his channel. Recommend to watch.

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Edited May 8, 2023 by LukeFF
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[Sobilak]

Yeah. Nice DD.

The Ta 152 is a great plane, but built in an "incredible number" of 69. A symbolic curiosity. For historical accuracy, it's availability on servers should be random and amount to a maximum of 0.2% of all planset.  But it's be nice to "fly" this beast.

The I-153, LA-5 and especially Spifire Mk.IXc, a RAF workhorse of ww2 are better choices. 

 

[R7-S276]

More products are always a good news. The fact the developers plan to release the Focke-Wulf Ta152 which was product at 69 units, operational 4 months between January 1945 to may 1945, was credited of 7 victories (probably) open the door to any other plane projects built at this period. No more excuse like not enough production or not correspond to the actual maps… I also hope after the Waco we are going to have the Horsa instead of an other version of the Spitfire and the Bf109… ?

Edited May 8, 2023 by R7-S276

[BlitzPig_EL]

7 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

It's almost like we need an La-11.

 

 

 

I think these are the markings you are looking for...

 

 

[Zephyrus52246]

So many cool new planes!  I'll need a larger hanger for all the coming WW1 entries.  The Waco and Ta 152 are unexpected, but welcome as well.

Jeff

[FABR_Pollako]

I believe that the Devs are in a phase where they urgently need to generate a lot of revenue with the lowest production cost, believe that even we who complain about some aspects of development really bet all our chips on this magnificent project, I sincerely hope that this community grow more than any massive game like WT and others, all aircraft produced will be very welcome, being dissatisfied does not make someone ungrateful, they just express the wish that gaps are filled in the foreground and souvenirs are in the background!

I really want to see this simulator as complete as its competitors and everyone involved in the project receive their due recognition and glory!

[FliegerAD]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:04 PM, JBK_Pollako said:

Yak-3 (VK-107), LA-7, P-63 King Cobra

 

Same as with the Bf109 G-10 or Fw190 A-9: I suspect they are held in reserve for a late war module.

 

The fact that late Soviet planes are still held back is either an indication that Eastern Front stuff does not sell, as some here adamantly claim (I for one have my doubts, but still, the claim this here), or that there is indeed a late Eastern Front module (which I don't think is totally unlikely, despite said claims).

 

I for one would buy the La-7 or Yak-3 immediately but I would be sad if they were collector's aircraft, because I want them to be part of that late Eastern Front module.

Not as a one-off collector's buy.

Same with the Il-10 btw. I want the ultimate Shturmovik. But again, as part of a module, not as a collector's plane.

 

Also, think about it, in such a module, the Ta 152 would be a subpar fighter choice as it is such a niche airplane compared to A9 and G10. Actually I think the collector's path was the only one for that plane, contrary to the planes you mentioned.

_

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by FliegerAD

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 5/6/2023 at 1:42 AM, Chief_Mouser said:

'Congratulations on the upcoming Victory Day!'

 

An odd little phrase in the DD. Congratulations to who? Russians are the only ones that celebrate it, it has no relevance to the rest of us; VE-day and VJ-day hardly get a mention let alone a big parade. Besides, it appears to rather scaled down this year.

We celebrate it in the Netherlands as well, albeit a couple of days earlier on May 5. There's festivities all over the place and many people will raise the national flag (extremely rare to see on ordinary days). I think there's a couple of other European countries with similar activities, so I wouldn't say the Russians are the only ones who celebrate it

 

Back on topic; good news and there's a couple of really interesting planes there. However it does seem like a quick way to raise revenue while the upcoming game is still years from being released. I just hope that these collector aircraft (and all already existing assets) will still be compatible with whatever their next project is...

[Avimimus]

On 5/6/2023 at 12:14 PM, LukeFF said:

I'd have to look again at the sources, but at least in the course of the RAF encounters they were at altitude low enough to strafe ground targets, so pretty low. 

 

Ah, I'm more interested now! The high aspect ratio wing should also be interesting (as well as the high altitudes). I still want a He-162 though  

 

 

On 5/6/2023 at 3:42 PM, Gambit21 said:

Fair points

 

Edit: …and on that note, a great way to get our beloved crap planes perhaps.

 

We live in hope. We are getting an Li-2, a glider, an IAR-80/81, and an I-153... so the hopes are at least a bit justified.

 

 

On 5/6/2023 at 7:08 PM, ST_Catchov said:

 

Well they already do have a "a team of enthusiasts who are working on a new map" so if we're talking about "just about anything" why not the ....

 

Caudron G.4 

Voisin VIII 

Morane-Saulnier L 

Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2c

 

 

?  Well, I wouldn't say no...

 

Sometimes I'm rather tempted to find a fortune so that I could bank-roll some 3d modellers to see what would come out of it. I wouldn't normally consider marrying for money or looking for buried treasure... but... for one of those? Tempting.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Avimimus

[Avimimus]

 

On 5/7/2023 at 3:58 AM, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

Not one new bomber or torpedo attack aircraft or ground attack aircraft ?

On 5/7/2023 at 4:00 AM, Juri_JS said:

Hey, you are getting the most common bomber of Soviet long-range aviation units, the Li-2. ?

 

Not to mention the I-153 (which was shifted towards ground attack), and the IAR-81 ground attack variants (which literally supplemented and replaced Stukas).

 

 

On 5/8/2023 at 12:00 AM, Gambit21 said:

It's almost like we need an La-11.

 

I see what you did there. Honestly though - I'll only be really satisfied if it comes with a companion European module as well...  More balanced gameplay, more types of aircraft, and maybe a vampire or two.

 

 

 

18 hours ago, Sobilak said:

Yeah. Nice DD.

The Ta 152 is a great plane, but built in an "incredible number" of 69. A symbolic curiosity. For historical accuracy, it's availability on servers should be random and amount to a maximum of 0.2% of all planset.  But it's be nice to "fly" this beast.

The I-153, LA-5 and especially Spifire Mk.IXc, a RAF workhorse of ww2 are better choices. 

 

I won't deny. It is... interesting to have diverse experiences though. I tended to pick roles that would let me fly at low altitudes prior to the addition of the new clouds. Now I don't mind seeing how high I can fly, and an aircraft like the Ta-152 (or Rumpler C.IV) becomes more appealing. The aerodynamics should be interesting at the very least (even if it isn't that great a dogfighter or a good gun platform or likely to have been encountered in any numbers). I do agree with you though, in principle. But we are getting the others - so why not this as well eh?

Edited May 9, 2023 by Avimimus

[Avimimus]

 

  

7 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

 

Same as with the Bf109 G-10 or Fw190 A-9: I suspect they are held in reserve for a late war module.

 

The fact that late Soviet planes are still held back is either an indication that Eastern Front stuff does not sell, as some here adamantly claim (I for one have my doubts, but still, the claim this here), or that there is indeed a late Eastern Front module (which I don't think is totally unlikely, despite said claims).

 

I for one would buy the La-7 or Yak-3 immediately but I would be sad if they were collector's aircraft, because I want them to be part of that late Eastern Front module.

Not as a one-off collector's buy.

Same with the Il-10 btw. I want the ultimate Shturmovik. But again, as part of a module, not as a collector's plane.

 

Also, think about it, in such a module, the Ta 152 would be a subpar fighter choice as it is such a niche airplane compared to A9 and G10. Actually I think the collector's path was the only one for that plane, contrary to the planes you mentioned.

 

My thoughts too. If they released these aircraft as Collector Planes (especially the Yak-3 and La-7) - it would be a bad sign.

 

They are continuing to release aircraft into at least mid-2024. Moreover, the glider is a sign that they are continuing to invest in expanding parts of the core (which suggests at least parts of it will be in common with the next module). The relatively slow pace of Collector Plane releases is also consistent with them developing the next module in the background throughout (we were already told that work on one of the aircraft had begun last fall).

 

The worse news is that they explicitly stated that the aircraft after Flying Circus Vol.III will be released as Collector Planes and that they will only consist of land planes. This means that we shouldn't be optimistic about seeing a Flying Circus Vol.IV with the seaplanes and a Channel Map. So, the WWII ground can probably relax and the WWI ground can remain relaxed in spite of the ominous signs (I've noticed that the slower the planes the more chill the crowd is generally).

[Juri_JS]

On 5/7/2023 at 5:59 PM, Jaws2002 said:

 We get a glider, but it's too hard to make a late war yak or La-7. 

I think it doesn't make much sense to release new aircraft when we don't have the correct maps for them.

Yak-3 and La-7 would require maps like Berlin, East Prussia or Poland. For 1944 scenarios like Finland or Bagration the Yak-9U or a late P-39 variant would be the best choice.

[=LwS=Wize]

20 hours ago, Sobilak said:

 

The Ta 152 is a great plane, but built in an "incredible number" of 69. A symbolic curiosity. For historical accuracy, it's availability on servers should be random and amount to a maximum of 0.2% of all planset.  But it's be nice to "fly" this beast.

 

 

That's why it's a collector's plane

[ST_Catchov]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

The worse news is that they explicitly stated that the aircraft after Flying Circus Vol.III will be released as Collector Planes and that they will only consist of land planes. This means that we shouldn't be optimistic about seeing a Flying Circus Vol.IV with the seaplanes and a Channel Map

 

Well, I guess they're working on the Middle East and Balkans maps right now. When they move on to the Italian map with the Adriatic Sea we'll get some cool seacrates. So we gotta give 'em some slack .... it takes time and the new hires and external contractors need to garner experience and "know-how".

 

And then the Channel map! It's obvious they're full steam ahead with WW1. It's plain for all to see. I mean who wants a glider when they can have a Sopwith Pup? In the RNAS! You'd have to be deranged.

[Sobilak]

2 hours ago, =LwS=Wize said:

That's why it's a collector's plane

?

I would not look for any sens in the collectability of planes in the simulator, since the Ta152 is collectible as well the Spitfire  MkIX.c, I-153 or Bf109G-6

 

[ww2fighter20]

6 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

I think it doesn't make much sense to release new aircraft when we don't have the correct maps for them.

Yak-3 and La-7 would require maps like Berlin, East Prussia or Poland. For 1944 scenarios like Finland or Bagration the Yak-9U or a late P-39 variant would be the best choice.

Is this not the same problem for the Ta152? we don't have an Berlin or North-East germany map and it's still being produced as collector plane, unless Ta152 was active over Rheinland?

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

I'm going to get those collector planes no doubt. However, its mind boggling that we are gonna get the freaking Ta152 before we get the Yak 3 and La 7. Especially since the Ta152h was specifically designed to counter the threat of high alt 4 engines bombers, which are non existant in GB. 

 

I legit think we are going to get the Bachem Natter before we get the B-17 or the Yak 3 at this point.

 

That said, the Ta152h will be a beast.

[Ribbon]

26 minutes ago, ww2fighter20 said:

Is this not the same problem for the Ta152? we don't have an Berlin or North-East germany map and it's still being produced as collector plane, unless Ta152 was active over Rheinland?

I see dcs in there, planes without map, out of focus development, aircraft showcase sim.... and gliders....while so much crucial content is missing from existing expansions like allied medium bombers, torpedo bombers....etc. they go with gliders, transport planes, trucks and such.

In short now i really dont have optimism in path they're going, but we'll see, i went from dedicated supporter to very picky on spending money here.

[Juri_JS]

56 minutes ago, ww2fighter20 said:

Is this not the same problem for the Ta152? we don't have an Berlin or North-East germany map and it's still being produced as collector plane, unless Ta152 was active over Rheinland?

Yes, the Ta-152 has the same problem that we don't have a correct map for it. That's why I was rather surprised when it was announced.

 

On the other hand it's not completely impossible that Ta-152s did fly some missions in the area shown on the eastern edge of the Rhineland map, which would have been within their range.

[jg123410]

This looks fantastic!!! - Thank you!!

[BMA_FlyingShark]

2 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

Especially since the Ta152h was specifically designed to counter the threat of high alt 4 engines bombers, which are non existant in GB. 

If I'm not mistaken, it was build to intercept high alt bombers but never encountered any but it did fight fighter bombers like we have in game.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Eisenfaustus]

16 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Same as with the Bf109 G-10 or Fw190 A-9: I suspect they are held in reserve for a late war module.

Last time I checked there wouldn't be any new full WWII module for the GB series anymore as the devs are moving onwards to a new series of combat flight sims after Jason left. Of course the starting point for that could very well be a late war Eastern front scenario - but that still would mean no late war soviet fighters for GB.

[R7-S276]

Don’t forget that WW2 not begin in 1941 but in 1939 and WWI didn’t begin in 1917 but in 1914. The first aerial fight was 1914 October  5th, between French Voisin III and German Aviatik B1 (French won)… so there is a lot of maps and planes to inspire developers between 1914-1917 and 1939-1941…

[Jaws2002]

9 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

I think it doesn't make much sense to release new aircraft when we don't have the correct maps for them.

Yak-3 and La-7 would require maps like Berlin, East Prussia or Poland. For 1944 scenarios like Finland or Bagration the Yak-9U or a late P-39 variant would be the best choice.

 

That still doesn't explain the Ta-152.

 

The problem is they are working on new maps, but looks like late war Eastern front is off limits. I'd love a Yak-9U/UT, but I know that everyone else would rather have the Yak-3 and LA-7.   Either way looks like none of the late war Russian planes are in the pipeline.

 I just don't understand the reasoning behind  this decision. It's not like the late war Russian planes are a problem in today's political climate and the early and mid war planes are ok.

 

None of it makes freaking sense.

 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Jaws2002

[Cybermat47]

8 minutes ago, R7-S276 said:

Don’t forget that WW2 not begin in 1941 but in 1939

 

It could be argued that it began in 1937 with the Marco Polo Bridge Incident. One Japanese historian (his name escapes me right now) even argued that the Kwantung Army started WWII in 1931 with the Mukden Incident (though I think that's a bit of a stretch myself).

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

53 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

If I'm not mistaken, it was build to intercept high alt bombers but never encountered any but it did fight fighter bombers like we have in game.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

It probably did. It also fought Tempests at sea level, Mustang, and Yak 9's too.

 

Dont get me wrong, I am very happy we will get this beast. I cant wait to fly it.

 

I just find it hard to understand that a franchise named IL2 : Great Battles will offer us a Ta152H while we dont have access to the 2 best soviet union fighters yet. This, plus 2 late war western war modules without strategic bombers...

 

 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

I just find it hard to understand that a franchise named IL2 : Great Battles will offer us a Ta152H while we dont have access to the 2 best soviet union fighters yet.

Maybe they're keeping those for the next project, who knows.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ww2fighter20]

There is an Leningrad/Karelia map in the works, maybe once that's finished we might see late war soviet aircraft as collector aircraft.

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

Don’t forget that WW2 not begin in 1941 but in 1939 and WWI didn’t begin in 1917 but in 1914. The first aerial fight was 1914 October  5th, between French Voisin III and German Aviatik B1 (French won)… so there is a lot of maps and planes to inspire developers between 1914-1917 and 1939-1941…

 

There are a lot of interesting match-ups in that... I think early 1916 aerial combat was pretty distinct from 1917... the aircraft would handle quite differently and air-combat manoeuvring would be quite different. Hopefully a 3rd party will give us a couple of aircraft someday.

 

I think the worst case scenario would be if flight simulators keep remaking the same content at slightly higher fidelity, rather than giving us more diverse content.

 

7 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

Well, I guess they're working on the Middle East and Balkans maps right now. When they move on to the Italian map with the Adriatic Sea we'll get some cool seacrates. So we gotta give 'em some slack .... it takes time and the new hires and external contractors need to garner experience and "know-how".

 

And then the Channel map! It's obvious they're full steam ahead with WW1. It's plain for all to see. I mean who wants a glider when they can have a Sopwith Pup? In the RNAS! You'd have to be deranged.

 

My dear ST_Catchov, let's try not to feed my imagination too much

 

1 hour ago, ww2fighter20 said:

There is an Leningrad/Karelia map in the works, maybe once that's finished we might see late war soviet aircraft as collector aircraft.

 

Sort-of. The siege gets broken by at the beginning of 1944 (January 27), and by late summer axis troops have already been pushed hundreds of kilometres. The La-7 and Yak-3 were introduced in June 1944. So units operating them might only appear on the south-western parts of the map (and then only if the map is large).

 

The main benefit is that the 1939-1944 timespan of the map means that a module could be used to fill in a lot of gaps which would be useful for other scenarios as well (Ju-87D-5, Fw-190A4, LaGG variants, SB-2, Tu-2, P-40B/C, P-39Q). However, it isn't really a late-1944/1945 scenario. This is why I always thought that they should do '45 East and then do Leningrad after (to fill in the gaps).

Edited May 9, 2023 by Avimimus

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

1 hour ago, FlyingShark said:

Maybe they're keeping those for the next project, who knows.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

I dont know. Jason wanted to do a late Berlin setting to include those, and a Malta module which would have been absolutely awesome. Im a bit heartbroken because this is exactly what I wanted next and since he is gone I'd assume they'll go into a very different direction.

 

We'll see. Im also open for a new game entirely with a much improved engine.

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

That still doesn't explain the Ta-152.

 

The problem is they are working on new maps, but looks like late war Eastern front is off limits. I'd love a Yak-9U/UT, but I know that everyone else would rather have the Yak-3 and LA-7.   Either way looks like none of the late war Russian planes are in the pipeline.

 I just don't understand the reasoning behind  this decision. It's not like the late war Russian planes are a problem in today's political climate and the early and mid war planes are ok.

 

None of it makes freaking sense.

 

 

 

All of the late war Russian stuff, and a few things you’re not anticipating will come with time. It’s a Russian team.

 

 

[sevenless]

5 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

I dont know. Jason wanted to do a late Berlin setting to include those, and a Malta module which would have been absolutely awesome. Im a bit heartbroken because this is exactly what I wanted next and since he is gone I'd assume they'll go into a very different direction.

 

We'll see. Im also open for a new game entirely with a much improved engine.

 

It is a russian development studio and the GB series is missing the very most important timeframes of VVS glory. Kursk to Bagration (1943/44) and Bagration to Berlin (1944/45). I am pretty confident that these in one form or the other will find their way into this game or a successor. 

[danielprates]

6 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

and a Malta module which would have been absolutely awesome

 

Imagine attacking convoys in a Beaufort, or attacking Malta in a Sparviero, an Alcione etc.

 

Alas, it wasnt to be.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, danielprates said:

Imagine attacking convoys in a Beaufort, or attacking Malta in a Sparviero, an Alcione etc.

 

Alas, it wasnt to be.

 

We'll see what Team Fusion comes up with for Desert Wings... who knows?

[Sobilak]

9 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

It is a russian development studio and the GB series is missing the very most important timeframes of VVS glory. Kursk to Bagration (1943/44) and Bagration to Berlin (1944/45). I am pretty confident that these in one form or the other will find their way into this game or a successor. 

Kursk to Bagration and Bagration to Berlin was, above all, a Soviet  land forces glory. VVS until the end of the war, despite their total numerical superiority, they were never able to dominate and destroy the remnants of the Luftwaffe mostly engaged in combating the Western Allies' air strikes. The fact that the Germans used Ju87 on the Eastern Front until the end of the fighting shows a lack of dominance.

But for me, Bagration Operation and Vistula/Odra Operation, will be great to play.

 

  

Edited May 10, 2023 by Sobilak

[Harlequin]

I was thinking that the ww2 collector planes do give some clue about what the next theatre might be.  Assuming it's not compatible with BOX (maybe ), then the theatre won't be a place where the most recent collector planes could appear.  I don't think they'd do a "pay twice for same plane" in quick succession like that. 

[=FCU=BurnesOldman]

I 153 I take , I like the planes from the beginning of the war and I will hope for more similar machines

[Trooper117]

Yes, the I-153 is a must... but I can't get very excited about the rest of it, unless the new map happens to be the Murmansk theatre.

[migmadmarine]

I imagine the community made map has to be the one the Finnish community has been working on for years now

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

Thank you for this exciting roadmap.
But I'm a bit disappointed.
I would appreciate more fixed bugs in TC than new campaigns.
I would be happy if tanks wouldn't be destroyed by going over animals, like cows and horses, not having destroyed modules by hitting a wooden carriage.
Turret rotation upon switching into the gunner position is still a mystery to me.

Good luck with bug fixing!