DD 342 has been released.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Great stuff coming.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by FlyingShark

[Motherbrain]

Super hyped for the Ta-152. Hopefully we're getting the H model.

 

 

The C looks more less like the Fw190D the Ta152 evolved from.

 

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by Motherbrain

[Avimimus]

32 minutes ago, Motherbrain said:

Super hyped for the Ta-152. Hopefully we're getting the H model.

 

The C looks more less like the Fw190D the Ta152 evolved from.

 

I assume it was the Ta-152H - I'm pretty sure that the picture in the development update is the H version, and it was the only one to see service in any numbers.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

LukeFF, any sense of what altitudes these engagements typically happened at? This is something I know little about.

 

I'd have to look again at the sources, but at least in the course of the RAF encounters they were at altitude low enough to strafe ground targets, so pretty low. 

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

so now the DD wont be in the announcement thread any longer?

[Juri_JS]

On 5/6/2023 at 6:14 PM, LukeFF said:

 

I'd have to look again at the sources, but at least in the course of the RAF encounters they were at altitude low enough to strafe ground targets, so pretty low. 

Reschke's well known encounter with Tempests was at 50 m to tree top altitude. I don't know the exact altitudes of his Yak claims, but they they were probably scored below 1800 m, because he mentioned in an interview that this was the altitude of the cloud base during the mission and that the Yaks came out of the clouds and attacked the Ta-152 of his flight leader.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Juri_JS

[IckyATLAS]

32 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

I'd have to look again at the sources, but at least in the course of the RAF encounters they were at altitude low enough to strafe ground targets, so pretty low. 

Yeah, even if they meet at very high altitude if the combat lengthens then inevitably the fighters go lower and lower until the finally end at ground level (I mean for the looser ? ).

My two cent here, this is probably because if you go higher and being already at very high altitude (air is thin there) you will slow so much that you become an easy target, and you also risk to quickly stall and lose control while brutally maneuvering.

Gravity as we know goes in the downward direction, and so naturally to gain speed and energy you will go down, more and more, and because air is thicker you can do much more short radius turns without stalling. So as you go down maybe you improve your chances, or you can try to escape diving, but there is a downward limit and that is 0mt in the ground.

Anyway this is speculation from my side I have no proof, but I would not be surprised if many combats between fighters that started at high altitude have had their conclusion at very low altitude.

Fighters against 4 engine heavy bombers it is different story as bombers will not move an inch from their trajectory so you have to take them down form up above where they are.

[Hoss]

Disappointed not seeing a B-25 cockpit..... really Disappointed 

[Lusekofte]

38 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Disappointed not seeing a B-25 cockpit..... really Disappointed 

That has never been announced. But I also had hope, or a B 26 pit. But chattered hope is not disappointment it is just a wish not going our way

6 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Horsa and Hamilcar... where are they?

I would prefer a Horsa. But that’s life

[SidtheGit]

A Waco/Hadrian glider...thank you so very much

And all the other stuff too of course..... ??

Edited May 6, 2023 by SidtheGit

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Well, it depends. We've seen with DCS a few cases where projects are largely driven by the fascination of one or two people working in their spare time over several years. Here the asked 3rd party contribution is in research and 3d modelling (which removes the need to have a competent coder and a flight model programmer)... so it is definitely possible that they could be approached with just about anything - the question of whether such a passion project could be completed fast enough and whether the proposal would be accepted (considering the the flight model and programming is being done centrally).

Fair points

 

Edit: …and on that note, a great way to get our beloved crap planes perhaps.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by Gambit21

[Eisenfaustus]

I'm very happy about the TA-152 announcement. Will be an instant buy for me - I guess they'll do it the Fw 190 A3 way and include it in the right time frame on the wrong air field so you can have historical engagements (Ta-152 H vs Temepest for example) in ahistorical locations just like any Fw 190 combats around Stalingrad.

 

Unfortunate I have to wait until sometime in 2024 to hop into that cockpit

[ST_Catchov]

8 hours ago, Avimimus said:

We've seen with DCS a few cases where projects are largely driven by the fascination of one or two people working in their spare time over several years. Here the asked 3rd party contribution is in research and 3d modelling (which removes the need to have a competent coder and a flight model programmer)... so it is definitely possible that they could be approached with just about anything ....

 

Well they already do have a "a team of enthusiasts who are working on a new map" so if we're talking about "just about anything" why not the ....

 

Caudron G.4 

Voisin VIII 

Morane-Saulnier L 

Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2c

 

 

 

[357th_KW]

10 hours ago, Avimimus said:

LukeFF, any sense of what altitudes these engagements typically happened at? This is something I know little about.

 

 

 

I'm using "JG 301 Wilde Sau" by Murawski and Neuworth as the main source here, with some additional info from "Day Fighters In Defense of the Reich" by Caldwell and "The Mighty Eighth War Diary" by Freeman and "Fighter Units & Pilots of the 8th Air Force" by Miller. 

 

It appears III/JG301 flew their first Ta152 mission (a mixed formation of Ta152s and 190As) against the US forces on Feb 25th 1945 - the formation leader had engine trouble and they returned to base without making contact.  There is mention from Caldwell that they may have flown again on March 1st against another US raid, and there is an unconfirmed claim for a P-51 (though no appropriate US losses or claims to match this or indicate a contact).  On March 2nd III/JG301 again launched mixed group (described as 12 Ta152H's and 12 190A's) they climbed to 8000 meters and were then bounced by IV/JG301's 109G's.  The Ta152s and 190s scattered and fled, and the remainder of the JG301 formation was set upon by P-51s, losing about 25 aircraft.  III/JG301 managed to escape unscathed and one B-17 was claimed by the 190A's.  After this the Ta152s were swapped to the Geschwaderstab, due to insufficient numbers to equip an entire gruppe.  On March 13th Willi Reschke attempted to intercept a recon Mosquito flying at 9000 meters, but suffered engine trouble and was unable to catch it.  On the 15th of March II/JG301 claimed a B-17, but not other parts of the Geschwader appear to have been in action that day.  That was the last high altitude encounter of the war for JG301 and this handful of missions seem to have been the only high altitude engagements for the Ta152H - they were tasked with fighter bombers ops in the East for the remainder of the war.

[III/JG52_Al-Azraq]

This is great news and not just because of all these additions that fill gaps in early, mid and late war scenarios, but also confirm that the sim is moving forward.

 

I would be happy to have some updates regarding the fuel system that was in development, and also insight about future core systems developments.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Not one new bomber or torpedo attack aircraft or ground attack aircraft ?

[Juri_JS]

Just now, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

Not one new bomber or torpedo attack aircraft or ground attack aircraft ?

Hey, you are getting the most common bomber of Soviet long-range aviation units, the Li-2. ?

[Ribbon]

16 hours ago, Hoss said:

Disappointed not seeing a B-25 cockpit..... really Disappointed 

Yeah, B25, B26 or some torpedo bomber would open my wallet and get me back to il2.....

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

2 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

Not one new bomber or torpedo attack aircraft or ground attack aircraft ?

Hell, I'd take a glass nose on the A-20.

[Thunderpilot208]

Hey Guys, very nice outlook!

Looking forward to the Focke-Wulf Ta 152!!!

Maybe there is also a chance to see the A9 in the skies someday?

[ACG_Bussard]

1 hour ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Yeah, B25, B26 or some torpedo bomber would open my wallet and get me back to il2.....

Indeed, the plane roadmap  for 2023 and 2024 saved me a lot of money!

[ilmavoimat]

Plenty to look forward to here! Hopefully good sales of the the Chaika will lead to a few more early war types (Polikarpov R-5?, Hs123?) Fingers crossed that the new Eastern Front map is Finland!!?  

[Trooper117]

37 minutes ago, Bussard* said:

Indeed, the plane roadmap  for 2023 and 2024 saved me a lot of money!

 

Let's face it, no matter what they do, they won't be able to please everyone... we all have different wants and needs.

[David_4555]

On 5/5/2023 at 9:24 PM, RoteDreizehn said:

Dear Devs and Wardog5711,

I am very pleased that we get the TA152. Fantastic News....
Which Version will we get the C3 oder H0? Hope for both....

 

 

 

 

 

Only the Ta-152H-0/1 entered service/production as far as I know, so the C is out of the question imo (though I defintetly wouldn't mind it!). 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Let's face it, no matter what they do, they won't be able to please everyone... we all have different wants and needs.

I think it's fair to say, objectively in my opinion, that they're tinkering at the edges rather than building on the core. The game is crying out for the strategic-bombing component of the western front. Unfortunately, also my opinion, I think the two planes required (B17 and B24) are beyond their means. 
It's a shame because I think those two planes would hugely boost their revenue.

[FliegerAD]

On 5/5/2023 at 7:46 PM, CUJO_1970 said:

TA-152 is great, but somewhat curious why this would come before the FW190A9/F9?

 

I assume they keep the A9 in reserve for a new module and its plane set, much like the G10, precisely because it was a more important aircraft for the German war effort.

[Jaws2002]

Cool update, but looking at what we have released and what's planed, a big chunk of WW2 is missing.

 

Where are the late war Russian planes? We get a new Eastern front map and just old Russian planes to go with it? 

 

What would be the point to get a late war eastern front map, without the planes that fought there?

 We get a glider, but it's too hard to make a late war yak or La-7. 

 

This doesn't makes sense at all.

 

This company always had a weird way of randomly adding planes, but this doesn't makes sense at all.

 

 

[Ribbon]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Let's face it, no matter what they do, they won't be able to please everyone... we all have different wants and needs.

Yeah like they did go with bombers so far, time to go with fighters now lol

But its ok, from interviews they already stated this will remain small tactical sim focused on fighters.

Age of sims with wide scope and gameplay that simulate believable ww2 combat is over.

2 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

I think it's fair to say, objectively in my opinion, that they're tinkering at the edges rather than building on the core. The game is crying out for the strategic-bombing component of the western front. Unfortunately, also my opinion, I think the two planes required (B17 and B24) are beyond their means. 
It's a shame because I think those two planes would hugely boost their revenue.

Sims these days focus on fidelity at the cost of gameplay and recreation of ww2 battles  so better to accept it and move on....sad as it is we dont have choice.

I doubt we'll ever see something with a scope of gameplay as il2:1946. 

In best case scenario we may get some medium bomber at some point.

[FABR_Pollako]

1º Big DD I would say over the top, I felt it was a matter of ego that they took RoF out of the failure image and finally sold it as a new FC title and this was to be expected for anyone who likes ww1.

 

2º Really pilotable gliders will only be useful if they carry pilotable vehicles, for whoever looks like FS2020, we must remind them that this is a war simulator, where gliders were used to get as far as possible in silence behind the lines enemies and not to use as pleasure gliders looking for thermals and relative winds, some really have an airhead.

 

3º Well now that we have the 262s with fuel injection pumps that weren't actually used, we have Arados with guns that were never actually operational, why didn't they bring YP-80s or Gloster Meteors to be fairer to both sides?

 

4º The chaica is a nice addition, but it should have been there from the start and being announced along with the modern TA-152H is somewhat out of character for the period.

 

5º LA-5 38 and Spit IXc, very good, along with TA-152H would be more suitable fighters, Yak-3 (VK-107), LA-7, P-63 King Cobra or the P-61 Black Widow, B-26 Marauder, B-25 Mitchell, Avro Manchester, Bristol Beaufighter for example.

 

6º There is an enthusiasm to produce all the German technology, but there is always a doldrums to produce what the allies had in the same periods, let me guess the next ad:

Me-163 Komet and Dornier Do335 along with PZL P-11 and Gloster Gladiator Before LukeFF or anyone else deletes my post, I'll close with protocol: "I love this DD and I can't wait to buy them all!"

Edited May 7, 2023 by JBK_Pollako

[Hanu]

Chaika! Excellent! And anything from early days! La-5f is nice also.

IXc somewhat interesting from skinning point of view, but Ta-152 is such a niche plane that... *yawn*... Even one more version of G6's with small metal rudder and Erla-haube would have been more interesting. But flyable B-25, B-26, Do-17, IL-4, SB-2, they would have been REALLY great to have.

 

1 hour ago, =GW=seaflanker819 said:

Make a la7 or yak3 wont kill you...SInce we have Spitfire XIV, Tempest, dora, 262, mustang,P47, some soviet advance aircraft is also needed.

 

Luckily current russian planes are already that advanced that you practically have those already at performance point of view at least. But the looks is different, true.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Hanu

[DBFlyguy]

49 minutes ago, Hanu said:

 Even one more version of G6's

The dev's lurking this thread like.....

 

 

???

Edited May 7, 2023 by DBFlyguy

[danielprates]

10 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Let's face it, no matter what they do, they won't be able to please everyone... we all have different wants and needs.

 

I suppose then most of us must have been wanting real bad another 109, or a glider.

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

I am grateful my niche hobby continues to thrive and grow!

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

I can see it now on the old YT......"IL-2:GB - Waco Glider - 13 Kills in a Flight (with outro)"

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by =EXPEND=CG_Justin

[FuriousMeow]

Il2 players: "We want a DD, it so dead here, no future plans totally ruins my ability to play what I have right now so we need Dev Diaries!"

 

Il2 Devs: "Here's a DD with some future plans, not all of future plans but just some"

 

Il2 players: "No, not like that!"

[=GW=seaflanker819]

8 hours ago, Hanu said:

Luckily current russian planes are already that advanced that you practically have those already at performance point of view at least. But the looks is different, true.

LOL, La5FN equals Dora, Tempest, Spitfire XIV(or IX)?Do you really believe that?? Just take a look at western front map server, how many people will use La5FN against dora, 109k4, g14? You can lie to yourself, but you can't persuade others.

[Gambit21]

 

 

It's almost like we need an La-11.

 

 

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

Nice! As a West Front guy, I'm happy to see some of the East Front guys get a new map and a couple of interesting collector planes. I'm also stoked to get a Spitfire Ixc to fill out the 1942-43 gap on the West Front. 

 

Can we expect to see improvements to the Bodenplatte map? It is and remains a black eye for the series IMO, especially with the Normandy and new FC map.

[vadupleix7]

Many of these planes can only be flown in Warthunder or some flight sims that are 20 years old before introduction to GB series so let’s be grateful.

[TheSublimeGoose]

Very excited for the Ta 152. I would imagine that the ‘H’ variant will be the first (and perhaps only) to arrive, but it opens up the possibility for the ‘C’ variant, later.

 

I’ve always been fascinated by highly-specialized aircraft, particularly high-altitude props. I am sure the devs will do her justice… the 152 was truly a marvel in the (relatively small) world of high-altitude propellor-driven aircraft.

 

Anyways, what I came here to say is what seems to be on many others’ minds; Does the 152 indicate or at least hint at a future direction for the Great Battles series? 
 

I would love to see an IL-2 1946 Redux. Gloster Meteors and Lockheed P-80s would be amazing to see in this series. With some patience and TLC with their flight models — given the availability of performance figures for them — the devs could finally allow folks to answer the question of how these two airframes would have fared against the Me 262. Perhaps even more exciting would be the possibility of introducing (more) Allied ‘super-props.’ While the P-51H is neat, the P-47M and N is what I would be after. An XP-72 would be a dream come true, but that’s too much of a ‘paper airplane.’

 

There would be plenty of options for the Germans, including more advanced models/derivatives of the Me 262 and Ar 234. The He 162, in case the devs didn’t wish to get into paper airplanes too much. We could also see the introduction of the MG 213/20 and /30, which I actually believe to be one of Germany’s most under-looked developments of WWII.

 

I realize that if the 152 is a sign of things to come, we’re probably going to get a more ‘grounded’ Battle of Berlin. But I, for one, would love to see this series end on a bit of wild leap. It’s been a long road — and perhaps it’s for the best, given that we really, REALLY need a new engine — but I personally get the feeling that things are slowly coming to the end with the GB series in its current form.