BF109G-6AS - Worth It?

[UncleJunkie]

Hey guys,

 

I fly strictly PVP multiplayer, for those of you who have the new G6AS, is it worth having? How good is the high alt performance and is it a worthy trade of for the reduced low alt? How does it dogfight compared to a G6 or a G14?

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I was very excited at first about the AS as in the old IL2 it was the 109 I really did well with, but, in reality, it's just another 109.

[MAJORgoonMADLOU]

Just what this game needs....another BF-109.  After all, we have so few . . ..

 

All kidding aside, I also would like to know more about the G6AS.  I LOVE the 109s!

 

I'm sure one of those Youtube flight sim gurus will give us a nice review soon.

[FeuerFliegen]

While I have not purchased it, based on the manifold pressure it is still able to put out at extremely high altitudes such as 9k-11k, I would assume that nothing else can touch it above 9k, other than maybe the Spitfire IX with Merlin 70 engine.

[[CPT]Crunch]

If high altitude is your thing, you can line up, take off in full boost, climb for 10 minutes, you just dumped 1/3 of your MW50 tank and have good fighting weight, drive for five minutes resting the engine at max combat power, than push another 10 minutes of boost, if you repeat that same cycle one last time on full boost you should be headed home somewhere near the end of the last cycle because your almost at bingo fuel anyway.  Good forty five minute sortie never going below full combat power.

[the_emperor]

Short answer: no

Up to 4/5k the regular MW50s 109s outperform the AS Version non MW50s will outperform up to ~6k

[[LeLv34]Lykurgos88]

13 hours ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

While I have not purchased it, based on the manifold pressure it is still able to put out at extremely high altitudes such as 9k-11k, I would assume that nothing else can touch it above 9k, other than maybe the Spitfire IX with Merlin 70 engine.

 

I've found that Spitfire IX HF (merlin 70) is actually a bit underwhelming at high altitudes. Spitfire XIV is vastly speedier at every altitude (including 10 km) and Spitfire IX HF also loses to every american high-flying plane (P-47, P-38 and P-51) at high altitudes. Bf 109 K4 also comes on top.

 

Bf109-G6AS is also nothing extraordinarily special. K4, Spit XIV, P-51 and P-47 will outperform it at high altitudes in pure speed.

 

Only positive side is that G6AS does handle better than a K4, so there is that.

[Enceladus828]

They should just do a Collector plane pack in which for $25 you get both the G-6AS and Spitfire Mk. XIV Teardrop canopy instead of charging $20 for each plane.

[FeuerFliegen]

12 hours ago, [LeLv34]Lykurgos88 said:

 

I've found that Spitfire IX HF (merlin 70) is actually a bit underwhelming at high altitudes. Spitfire XIV is vastly speedier at every altitude (including 10 km) and Spitfire IX HF also loses to every american high-flying plane (P-47, P-38 and P-51) at high altitudes. Bf 109 K4 also comes on top.

 

Bf109-G6AS is also nothing extraordinarily special. K4, Spit XIV, P-51 and P-47 will outperform it at high altitudes in pure speed.

 

Only positive side is that G6AS does handle better than a K4, so there is that.

 

 

You're right that the Spitfire XIV is faster at all altitudes; I hadn't tested it at extreme high alts before.

 

But I did test the Spitfire IX HF M70 at 11km, and it was faster than the P51B. 

Spit IX M70 topped out at 345kph IAS,

P51B topped out at 328kph IAS.

Spitfire XIV was 377kph

P38 was 353kph,

P47 D-22 was 344@ 3000 / 22k turbo speed / no methanol;    352@ 3000 / 22k / with methanol

Bf109 K-4 was 353kph @ 2600rpm; 374 @ 2800 

 

So I'd say that once you get to extreme high altitudes, the Spitfire IX M70 is still right up there with the competition.   Kind of a moot point as 11k basically never happens, but if for some reason you did need to go that high, the Spitfire IX M70 would still be an option.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Enceladus said:

They should just do a Collector plane pack in which for $25 you get both the G-6AS and Spitfire Mk. XIV Teardrop canopy instead of charging $20 for each plane.

 

I think it's BS that this is the one plane that they decide to make a completely different version to purchase.  Every other plane that included high altitude versions, it's just a mod.  Spit V, Spit IX, Me410, etc.

[[CPT]Crunch]

To be fair the cockpit had to be redone to fit the boost systems.  It is unique in comparison to the rest of the 109's, they did a great job on this model, both inside and out, certainly a level up. 

[percydanvers]

I don't know, I may be in the minority here, but I really enjoy this 109. I'm a little biased since I just honestly like 109s a lot, but this feels like it climbs extremely well if you take both engine upgrades.

I guess the answer for a non-109 obsessive is probably no... but I'm still having a lot of fun with it myself. 

[Wardog5711]

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but I'm still having a lot of fun with it myself. 

 

This is the part that is important.  

[UncleJunkie]

2 hours ago, percydanvers said:

I don't know, I may be in the minority here, but I really enjoy this 109. I'm a little biased since I just honestly like 109s a lot, but this feels like it climbs extremely well if you take both engine upgrades.

I guess the answer for a non-109 obsessive is probably no... but I'm still having a lot of fun with it myself. 

 

I pretty much only fly the 109 since it seems to be the only aircraft I'm competitive with in MP. I'll buy the AS if it's a plane that I should be using over the G6 (or G14/K4 in late plane sets).

 

I do sometimes like to fly ridiculously high and hunt the hunters though...

[percydanvers]

30 minutes ago, UncleJunkie said:

 

I pretty much only fly the 109 since it seems to be the only aircraft I'm competitive with in MP. I'll buy the AS if it's a plane that I should be using over the G6 (or G14/K4 in late plane sets).

 

I do sometimes like to fly ridiculously high and hunt the hunters though...

 

I think that's getting to the core of what I like about it. 109s are at their best when they've gotten above everyone else, and this one is great at that. 

[Amun-Ra]

3 hours ago, percydanvers said:

I don't know, I may be in the minority here, but I really enjoy this 109. I'm a little biased since I just honestly like 109s a lot, but this feels like it climbs extremely well if you take both engine upgrades.

I guess the answer for a non-109 obsessive is probably no... but I'm still having a lot of fun with it myself. 

I agree. I just fly with friends and having different models is fun to try. 

[sevenless]

With ASM engine and MW50 it is in between the G14 and K4. If you like K4 performance but want to have the 151 20mm cannon, it is the plane for you. Better performance for a G series 109 is only possible with the G10 and 605DM engine, or 605DC or DB. 

 

Daimler-Benz DB 605 - Wikipedia

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

I don't understand the marketing policy of the devs. why we have 3 versions of same plane Bf-109G6, as 3 different airplanes G6, G6 "late", and G6AS,, but  we have ony one Spitfire Mk9 with optional clipped wings, or P-51B with optional Malcom? , ..Or is there more reef to get money from 109 fans, than P-51 or Spitfire fans? …Well i could answer myself because now we have a Spitfire Mk.XIV w/ Teardrop Canopy, .. basically the same Mk.XIV.

by the way, don't matter to me paying more money to get well done air combat simulator, but it seem that there are few interest for fix the bugs.
we still spinning as sillies on ground, with full brakes stepped in taxiways. Our squad mates RL pilots amazed and pissing with this bug.

Edited May 7, 2023 by LukeFF
Knock it off with the name-calling

[Enigma89]

I got the 109G6AS and I have to say I am enjoying it. It does really well at high altitude and is used in multiplayer in scenarios where the K4 is not there yet, which is nice. It also has a variometer which is great.

[CUJO_1970]

6 hours ago, III/JG52_Otto_-I- said:

I don't understand the marketing policy of the devs. why we have 3 versions of same plane Bf-109G6, as 3 different airplanes G6, G6 "late", and G6AS,, but  we have ony one Spitfire Mk9 with optional clipped wings, or P-51B with optional Malcom? , ..Or is there more reef to get money from 109 fans, than P-51 or Spitfire fans?

 

Most Luftwaffe pilots come from the "more planes the merrier" cloth - and will support financially however the aircraft are released...so yes if you want to charge 3 times for a G6 then we will pay for it, lol. I don't mind paying for the G6/AS as a standalone because it sure beats the alternative of never getting it at all. In the end we get the planes we want and the developers can make more money by making us pay for the 109G6 3 times ?

 

Now as far as this G6/AS we have - with MW50 it is also a G14/AS early - so it is a good value and yes it's worth it. It is probably the best overall 109 behind the Kurfurst, and historically this aircraft is already available in early 1944 when the Allies were still flying P-47C and early D along with P-38 variants that were turning their pilots into popsicles at high altitudes. What it lacks is those Allied aircraft to compete against in spring 1944 and I'll take the G6/AS in a fight against any of those. It's a handful for even any late war Allied fighter at altitude.

[jollyjack]

On 5/5/2023 at 5:15 AM, Enceladus said:

They should just do a Collector plane pack in which for $25 you get both the G-6AS and Spitfire Mk. XIV Teardrop canopy instead of charging $20 for each plane.

 

And money back if you bought both? Hi-Fly 'Bonus' action ..

[FeuerFliegen]

On 5/5/2023 at 1:00 AM, [CPT]Crunch said:

To be fair the cockpit had to be redone to fit the boost systems.

 

I saw a picture of the cockpit; it looked identical to the G-6 late or G-14 except for a variometer attacked to the bottom of the main panel.  What other differences are there?

[percydanvers]

On 5/6/2023 at 9:21 PM, sevenless said:

With ASM engine and MW50 it is in between the G14 and K4. If you like K4 performance but want to have the 151 20mm cannon, it is the plane for you. Better performance for a G series 109 is only possible with the G10 and 605DM engine, or 605DC or DB. 

 

Daimler-Benz DB 605 - Wikipedia

 

16 hours ago, Enigma89 said:

I got the 109G6AS and I have to say I am enjoying it. It does really well at high altitude and is used in multiplayer in scenarios where the K4 is not there yet, which is nice. It also has a variometer which is great.

 

Yes - I think this is what I like about it. It feels like a K-4 you can use in 1944, and where you're not just limited to the 30mm. 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

On 5/7/2023 at 11:24 PM, CUJO_1970 said:

Now as far as this G6/AS we have - with MW50 it is also a G14/AS early - so it is a good value and yes it's worth it. It is probably the best overall 109 behind the Kurfurst, and historically this aircraft is already available in early 1944 when the Allies were still flying P-47C and early D along with P-38 variants that were turning their pilots into popsicles at high altitudes. What it lacks is those Allied aircraft to compete against in spring 1944 and I'll take the G6/AS in a fight against any of those. It's a handful for even any late war Allied fighter at altitude.

Other than a P-38 without boosted ailerons and dive flaps the P-51B and P-47D-22 from Battle of Normandy are rather representative of what was in service by the time of the G-6/AS entering service. There were already P-47s with water injection and paddle propellers, both factory production and older ones retrofitted with them by April-May

[spreckair]

I just purchased it after seeing the skins on the Stormbirds review.  There are some really nice skins for this version.

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

Didn't bought it yet.

I was expecting to see this G6/AS going 10km/h faster at sea level than G6 late and G14 because of the more aerodynamic MG131 and according speed provided by the game, the G6/AS is 3 and 6 km/h slower than G6 late and G14...

 

How is it possible ?

In Il2 1946, it was the best Gustav

Edited May 10, 2023 by StaB/Tomio_VR***

[-250H-Ursus_]

Yes. Plain and simple. 

Edited May 10, 2023 by -332FG-Ursus_

[2./SG2_assadoc]

2 hours ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

Didn't bought it yet.

I was expecting to see this G6/AS going 10km/h faster at sea level than G6 late and G14 because of the more aerodynamic MG131 and according speed provided by the game, the G6/AS is 3 and 6 km/h slower than G6 late and G14...

 

How is it possible ?

In Il2 1946, it was the best Gustav

G6/AS has high-altitude engine so it is less effective at lower altitudes
and AS weights more

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

4 hours ago, =MAI=_assadoc said:

G6/AS has high-altitude engine so it is less effective at lower altitudes
and AS weights more

G6/AS, G6late and G14 have the same horsepower at sea level with MW50 : 1800 hp

DB605-ASM engine with MW50 weights exactly 40 kg more than the G14 engine. It can make a climb speed difference but not a 6 km/h difference at sea level.

Again G6/AS should be faster with his more aerodynamic MG131 bumps.

Edited May 11, 2023 by StaB/Tomio_VR***

[2./SG2_assadoc]

2 hours ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

G6/AS, G6late and G14 have the same horsepower at sea level with MW50 : 1800 hp

DB605-ASM engine with MW50 weights exactly 40 kg more than the G14 engine. It can make a climb speed difference but not a 6 km/h difference at sea level.

Again G6/AS should be faster with his more aerodynamic MG131 bumps.

G-6/AS has bigger blower intake scoop with bluntier fairing

[357th_KW]

If you have two otherwise identical engines running the same boost setting, but one is spinning a bigger supercharger, that bigger supercharger is actually a performance disadvantage below the critical altitude of the smaller supercharger setup.  This is simply because it costs more horsepower to spin the bigger supercharger.  The advantage of the bigger supercharger is that it can keep producing that same boost level up to a higher altitude.

 

Here's a chart showing this with the G-14 vs G-14/AS:

http://kurfurst.org/Performance_tests/109G14_PBLeistungen/files/PBG14_LS_SNplusMW50.jpg

 

[Hopper64]

Here is a good read for those interested:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2023/05/08/bf109g-6-as-full-review-for-il-2-great-battles/

[FlyinCoffin]

On 5/5/2023 at 10:20 PM, Wardog5711 said:

 

I'm sure one of those Youtube flight sim gurus will give us a nice review soon.

 

lol

 

you know what.  I didnt watched all the gurus videos. But one of the (most watched tutorials) guru video did not mention that the clock has to be 12oo at start.

Something which is mentioned in german in the cockpit of the e7. "Start Uhrstellung 12oo" or something else I dont know at this moment.

 

.  also did the say in an interview that they want to make a better "more realistic" flight modell.

 

 

but 

 

p.s.: just wanted to give my opinion here. it may makes no sense to you at all. and the g6as is a blast in the sp having to fight bombers at 3.000m. lol

 

Edited May 11, 2023 by FlyinCoffin

[the_emperor]

7 hours ago, 357th_KW said:

This is simply because it costs more horsepower to spin the bigger supercharger.  The advantage of the bigger supercharger is that it can keep producing that same boost level up to a higher altitude.

 

and additionally it uses a different airscrew optimized for higher altitude, which paired with the bigger charger adds some additionally weight.

From a performance level, there is nothing gained from this plane below 5k

But if you like the looks, and that is of course a very valid point, then it is of course a good reason to get it.

 

Edited May 11, 2023 by the_emperor

[Ghost666]

3 hours ago, the_emperor said:

 

 

But if you like the looks

 

That's the best reason I've read.

[PB0_Roll]

Maybe for 1$, in a few years ? Just like the canopy mod for Spit XIV.

 

This game has enough 109s already for me, and still no High alt bombers, so pass.

[SharkWolf2022]

5 hours ago, PB0_Roll said:

Maybe for 1$, in a few years ? Just like the canopy mod for Spit XIV.

 

This game has enough 109s already for me, and still no High alt bombers, so pass.

Indeed. Not a big fan of the Bubble Spit. I would like to see a 109 G10. 

 

It's the last major 109 variant we really need ?

 

[Audgisil]

Yep, I want the G-10 as well. But we still need an E-3 or E-4 for the Battle of Britain (and maybe even battle for France).

[MAJORgoonMADLOU]

Are the Devs planning a Battle of Britain?

[LukeFF]

23 minutes ago, MAJORgoonMADLOU said:

Are the Devs planning a Battle of Britain?

 

No

[=_=HeavenAndClouds]

10 hours ago, MAJORgoonMADLOU said:

Are the Devs planning a Battle of Britain?

we already have the map for BoB scenario ... only make e3 and mk1 hurri and spit