My experience with FW 190

[JG300_Olrik]

Why ?

For pleasure, obviously !

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

 A cannon shot can really mess up just about any engine to be honest, radial or liquid cooled.

 

  The radials tended to have good durability against machine gun or other small arms fire but a cannon round is no joke, it will mess up whatever it hits pretty badly.

Yeah but I am talking about being hit by IL2 and Pe2 gunners and engine out right away. Most cases you dont even smoke and your engine stops.

[Matt]

I noticed that too when attacking Pe-2 yesterday.

 

Engine broke, "AI Pe-2 has shot down Matt" message and not even visible damage on the plane. If there wouldn't have been that message, i would've thought i overreved it somehow (even though i made sure to stick to 2400 RPM anyway).

 

It is a bit fragile.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Matt

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I fear todays update brought some serious FM changes to the 190. Would be great if anybody could confirm my observations.

 

It seems that it became way more tailheavy than in the previous version. I've noticed highly sensetive elevator reactions and much higher stall tendencies during TO and mid speed flight till 450km/h, which isn't normal.

 

Also trimming stabilizer fully downward can't prevent the nose from ditching up at 400-430km/h anymore. Seems very strange to me.

 

Apart form that it became way more tricky and starts flipping over the left wing and entering a spin immediately when reaching critical AoA, which due to the extra tailheavyness is far easier to reach than before.

 

I'm overall disappointet by this drastic change and hope it will be reversed some day, be it for any reason. I don't knwo how accurate the current FM is or what specificly has been tweaked, but the previous one felt more believebel and pleasant to me.

Edited August 1, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[Matt]

I notice no difference in FM and i just dived into the ground with ~800 km/h by trimming nose-heavy. So trimming works fine too.

[Leaf]

At least the cockpit is now much better than it was before!

[Panzerlang]

I notice no difference in the FM either.

[Silverback]

Cockpit view is a little better (do to thinner armored glass). Ground handling seems a bit easer. I couldn't use the elevator trim,this could be me. I'll fly it again in a little bit.

[LastRightsXIII]

 It's not just you.

No elevator trim for me either.

[SYN_Mike77]

I think the 190 is like the 109.  It is stabilizer not elevator trim. 

[303_Kwiatek]

I fear todays update brought some serious FM changes to the 190. Would be great if anybody could confirm my observations.

 

It seems that it became way more tailheavy than in the previous version. I've noticed highly sensetive elevator reactions and much higher stall tendencies during TO and mid speed flight till 450km/h, which isn't normal.

 

Also trimming stabilizer fully downward can't prevent the nose from ditching up at 400-430km/h anymore. Seems very strange to me.

 

Apart form that it became way more tricky and starts flipping over the left wing and entering a spin immediately when reaching critical AoA, which due to the extra tailheavyness is far easier to reach than before.

 

I'm overall disappointet by this drastic change and hope it will be reversed some day, be it for any reason. I don't knwo how accurate the current FM is or what specificly has been tweaked, but the previous one felt more believebel and pleasant to me.

 

Yea i got the same feelings since first few test flights. Fw 190 is more prone to spin. I wonder why they change it casue before stall was nice modeled.  Maby they need to equalize better cocpit view?

 

Also my adjustable stabilizer dont work on Fw 190.  For 109 it work ok.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Can be that the stabilizer isn't working (meh, didnt check it apparently) and that this is causing the appearance of it being tail heavy (had some similar observations with the 109 prior finding out about stabilizer being trim )

 

Anway cockpit still needs more polishing but I see their will to incorporate with the comunity as a good sign. Let's hope they can finish it in future (and fix ground behaviour... ).

I think the 190 is like the 109.  It is stabilizer not elevator trim. 

It is used as trim per se, thought it's way superiour to conventional trim rudders / rudder trim plates.

[Krause]

I can't get use to it yet. I keep stalling all the time when I try to bank or do some b&Z. Exactly as @[Jg26]5tuka Said..

 

Apart form that it became way more tricky and starts flipping over the left wing and entering a spin immediately when reaching critical AoA, which due to the extra tailheavyness is far easier to reach than before.

[JG300_Olrik]

I think the 190 is like the 109. It is stabilizer not elevator trim.

Yes but it doesn't work anymore yet.

Windshield modification is in the right way but not enough IMHO.

[=38=Tatarenko]

The stabiliser does work (it has new keys) but I don't think the flight model has changed at all.

[StG2_Manfred]

The stabiliser does work (it has new keys) but I don't think the flight model has changed at all.

But why is it not possible to assign it to a slider anymore?

[Wulf]

I don't understand these criticisms of the revised FM.  As far as I can tell the 190 has been improved.  If you're getting into stalls I just wonder if maybe you're trying to 'turn'.

 

The 190 will do many things but speed for speed, it will not turn with Russian fighters.  Never follow an enemy fighter into a turn.

[Wulf]

Actually, I stand corrected.  Having just had another go online I think you may be right.  Instantaneous turn seems more twitchy now.  You really have to keep things smooth.  Maybe it's just something to adjust to.  More testing I think ... which is a real bastard because I really wanted to get out into the garden ......

[Trident_109]

The stabiliser does work (it has new keys) but I don't think the flight model has changed at all.

Christ all mighty on a pogo stick! If the developers are going to make changes like that, then make a note in the DD or a change log.

[pilotpierre]

I cant find any difference in the FM. Its still a joy to fly and land and I have never experience any difficulty in taking off.

 

Thanks for you promp action wrt the bars Devs, really nice to see you take cognisance of the rabble.

[Panzerlang]

Going by RL accounts it seems to flip correctly if/when you haul back on the stick too quickly (at any speed). The left wing goes down and it flicks into a spin. The 109 can be flown like a hooker, the 190 is a lady and requires a gentleman's touch.

 

Imo.

[Valok]

The 109 can be flown like a hooker, the 190 is a lady and requires a gentleman's touch.

That is actually a fairly good description.

 

Right now I decided to go back to the F4. When taking into account my complete lack of skill's plus our current airquake campaing, the 109 is the best dogfighter for me.

[Lusekofte]

Well the FW-190 should be a turn fighter, it reviled it self very well as the Dora came along. The Yak is a better turn fighter but calling the FW-190 a zoom and boom fighter is plain wrong. Many think the P-51 was the ultimate fighter, it was not the P-47 was. And the FW 190 could keep up with it in turn fights up to a certain altitude .

German pilot during WW2 did not fancy dogfights, that is why many people think zoom and boom was all their fighters could do, Many bomber pilots converted to the FW 190 to fly in the fighter bomber role, these pilots was not trained as fighter pilots and usually never did tight turns with it. The bad quality of the fuel Germans had made performance word also

They where simply not comfortable doing it. And was not trained for it either. By Stalingrad the Russian pilots was better trained, and was getting experienced so the new pilots could have a chance of surviving. 

It is the history that made the result not the construction of the planes

Edited August 2, 2014 by LuseKofte

[Gambit21]

German pilot during WW2 did not fancy dogfights, that is why many people think zoom and boom was all their fighters could do, Many bomber pilots converted to the FW 190 to fly in the fighter bomber role, these pilots was not trained as 

Oops, you'd better go back in time and tell that to Helmut Liepfert  and Willi Heilmann - neither of them got that memo apparently.

Be careful making blanket declarations like that.

 

German pilots were individuals just like anyone else.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

We need a fix on the lower gauge panel. No way German engineering would hide vital engine gauges like that.

[TX-Gunslinger]

Going by RL accounts it seems to flip correctly if/when you haul back on the stick too quickly (at any speed). The left wing goes down and it flicks into a spin. The 109 can be flown like a hooker, the 190 is a lady and requires a gentleman's touch.

 

Imo.

 

Exactly.  This is the trait that killed early 109 convertee's to the FW.  It's also the trait that provides an unusual "last ditch" emergency evasion maneuver.

 

Here's a couple of references to this trait, which is widely known in aviation circles and a permanent part of the historical technical record.

 

"If, however the pilots found themselves embroiled in a twist-and-turn dogfight, they were strongly warned of the FW-190's one basic, and potentially lethal, flaw.  In clean configuration the stall was sudden and vicious.   Let the speed fall below 204 km/h and virtually, without warning, the port wing would drop so violently that the FW 190 all but turned on it's back.   Pull into a G-stall in a tight turn and it 'would flick over into the opposite bank and you had an incipient spin on your hands'.

 

But virtue could be made even of this vice, pilots were told.  It was a maneuver that no pursuer could emulate. 'Be prepared to control the spin, and it is one sure way of shaking Ivan off your tail.  Just don't try it at low level, the initial movement eats up too much vertical airspace! '. "

 

Concerning JG51's early experience with FW 190  - January 1943:

 

"Not unnaturally, causalities began to climb, none more tragic than that of Hauptmann Rudolf Busch, who had taken over acting command of I. Gruppe after the loss of 'Gaudi Krafft.  On 17 January Busch took off from the frozen surface of Lake Ivan as wingman to Geschwaderkommodore Oberstleutnant  Karl-Gottfried Nordmann.  Still in a steep, climbing turn Nordmann must have let his speed drop away, for suddenly, without warning, his FW 190 whipped over onto it's opposite wing and smashed into Busch, who went down in flames behind enemy lines.   The wounded Nordmann managed to parachute to safety, but the incident had so shattered him that, although he returned after recovery to from his injuries to resume command of the Geschwader, never again did he fly operationally."

 

The dev team has given us what was lost in the large (and mostly great) FM upgrades to the original Il-2 in update 4.0 (2005 or early 06 as I remember).  After that, the FW would not high G stall and the airspeed at maximum rate of roll dropped down to very low speeds.

 

Let's please not confuse the cockpit problems with the FM.  The only thing I've found which needs to be examined in the FM is elevator authority at high speed and the roll rates of all the other aircraft, particularly at speeds above 330 to 500 km/h.

 

There is in fact, a lot of good here. 

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I noticed no other change on the FM, and this just a feeling, but the new button assignment to the adjustable stabilizer. Need to fly more to see if any changes, but I doubt it. Anyway always trying to keep speed above 400km/h when flying Fw190A-3 so..

[chris455]

 

 

Many think the P-51 was the ultimate fighter, it was not the P-47 was.

 

You can say that again.

[Wulf]

Hmmm ... well, I suppose if you couldn't get your hands on a Spitfire 14 then one or other would do, as long as the action was up above 7k.  If it was medium -low however, and I still couldn't locate a Spit 14, then I think I'd rather have a Tempest.  But yeah, aside from those provisos sure, a P 47 or a Pony.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

After flying it extensively in MP the past days (with button assigned stabilizer) I'm glad to confirm it didn't change. It was the stbilizer probably tricking me so I apologize for the false alert

Not sure I like the button stab as I had to bind it to my keyboard which is very uncomfortable in flight, but at least it works.

[Volkoff]

It is a boom and zoomer, nothing else. At least 400KPH with sweeping attacks. It is not the uber plane people hoped for....

Yeah, the FW is a good performer, with a sweet roll rate and formidable firepower, but she is in no way a UFO or uber ride, at all. I really like the FW. When I sim- fly for the Axis, I am going to use a Stuka or a FW. Both rides really fascinate me. 

 

MJ

Edited August 9, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Volkoff]

I can't get use to it yet. I keep stalling all the time when I try to bank or do some b&Z. Exactly as @[Jg26]5tuka Said..

I am not used to the FW yet, either, which is one reason why I love the FW. The FW is a tricky machine. The first time I used the FW in multiplayer, I spent the whole time doing donuts in the snow, trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the FW to go down the runway and take off. 

 

MJ