On the "new project": my request to the developers

[343KKT_Kintaro]

If the new project is a new core engine and, thus, a new game, please do not name it "IL-2 Sturmovik" again. Let this brand dies of its very death. Others may disagree with me, but my understanding is that a new name is better. One core engine = one name. We don't need more unexperienced newcomers asking for the refund of their purchase of "IL-2 Sturmovik: Desert Wings - Tobruk" because they thought "Desert Wings - Tobruk" is an "IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles" module and simply learned it's not. This will happen again with the "Great Battles" modules as soon as unexperienced players purchase them for the new project in the case the latter is, again, an "IL-2 Sturmovik" game. If 1C really wants to bind its teams of developers by means of a brand, then I intend my request to 1C: please 1C negotiate with Loft, Han and his teams of developers the conditions for a new brand of yours is created and applied to the new project so that you are the brand owners and they, Loft & his men, are the software developers... but please, let's finish with this "IL-2 Sturmovik" thing, 2011 and a Battle of Britain simulator named "IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover" rather than "Storm of War: The Battle of Britain", that was ridiculous enough to me, and to many others as well. Other than that, three games named "IL-2 Sturmovik" is enough, we don't need a fourth game named the same. Thank you in advance.

 

 

[Alexmarine]

Looking forward to the release of “Yak-1: Battle of Stalingrad” 

[Rei-sen]

This BoX doesn't deserve "IL-2 Sturmovik" name, IMO. I can see their attempt to exploit the glory of the previous game, only this one is nowhere near it.

 

I can see why CloD has "IL-2" title, because had Oleg had the opportunity to finish what he intended, we would have a true successor of the "IL-2" series with various theaters. Alas, we have this box..

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 hours ago, Arthur-A said:

This BoX doesn't deserve "IL-2 Sturmovik" name, IMO. I can see their attempt to exploit the glory of the previous game, only this one is nowhere near it.

 

I can see why CloD has "IL-2" title, because had Oleg had the opportunity to finish what he intended, we would have a true successor of the "IL-2" series with various theaters. Alas, we have this box..

 

 

I understand what you say, and I agree with you with most of what you said. But I think it wasn't Oleg Maddox who wanted his game is named "IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover" (the name he wanted was "Storm of War: The Battle of Britain"), nor he wanted the game requires Steam for being played.

 

 

[Rei-sen]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

the name he wanted was "Storm of War: The Battle of Britain"

I remember that name. Battle of Britain was just one of the theaters planned. I have screenshots somewhere with unfinished Eastern Front content. So probably all those parts were planned under the general "IL-2" title.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

8 minutes ago, Arthur-A said:

planned under the general "IL-2" title.

 

 

Originally the game was planned to be titled as "Storm of War: The Battle of Britain" so the title of the resulting series was supposed to be "Storm of War"... but in January 2011 came an announcement saying 1) that the release was going to happen in March and 2) that the title had just been changed to "IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover". Most probably, this decision about the game's title didn't come from Maddox Games but from 1C Company.

[DD_Arthur]

12 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

I understand what you say, and I agree with you with most of what you said. But I think it wasn't Oleg Maddox who wanted his game is named "IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover" (the name he wanted was "Storm of War: The Battle of Britain"), nor he wanted the game requires Steam for being played.

How do you know this?

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

How do you know this?

 

 

Because despite his surname being Maddox, he had already left Maddox Games by the time these decisions were made.

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

25 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Because despite his surname being Maddox, he had already left Maddox Games by the time these decisions were made.

 

 

Er…how do you know this?

When exactly we’re these decisions made?

 

It was certainly announced that CLoD would be a Steam game before the announcement Oleg would be leaving the development team.

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

It was certainly announced that CLoD would be a Steam game before the announcement Oleg would be leaving the development team.

 

 

Maybe.

 

At any rate, all of this is going off topic. As usual.

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

25 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

At any rate, all of this is going off topic. As usual.

Oh, okay.  Back on topic; abandoning the IL2 name after years of establishing it as a brand is an idiotic idea. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

12 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Oh, okay.  Back on topic; abandoning the IL2 name after years of establishing it as a brand is an idiotic idea. 

 

 

This is what happened in 2011 with a simulator that was planned to be set during the Battle of Britain: somebody wanted to take advantage of the brand's prestige, and the whole thingy ended up with the brilliant title "IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover". You DD_Arthur, an Englishman, please tell me, how many Sturmoviks overflew the Channel or your country during the Battle of Britain? The release was a fiasco for other reasons, but, again, the brand's prestige needed to be exploited, so very quickly they created a new sim, this time set in Stalingrad and including Sturmoviks... knowing in advance that nobody was going to fly them because the community was (and is) much more interested in dogfighting rather than bombing or attacking the ground. Once more the title was an excuse to exploit the brand. You may not care about, but I dislike that.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by 343KKT_Kintaro

[DD_Arthur]

So logically it would be better to rename CLoD “Cliffs of Dover; Complete Disaster”?

 

 

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

21 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

So logically it would be better to rename CLoD “Cliffs of Dover; Complete Disaster”?

 

 

Off topic.

 

 

[Rei-sen]

I wish Oleg never left, but I can only imagine the corpo BS he had to deal with. I guess sometimes it's the only way. 

[LukeFF]

Everyone - the debate about what did or didn't happen with Cliffs of Dover and Oleg Maddox needs to come to a stop, or the padlock on this topic is going to come out very quickly.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Reminder: this thread treats the brand "IL-2 Sturmovik" (please note the "il2sturmovik.com in "forum.il2sturmovik.com") and a request I intend to the developers and brand owners. The reason that justifies the request is based on acquired experienced after three games have been named with the brand:

 

"IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946"

 

"IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover"

 

"IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles"

 

As per the above, and as per obvious reasons, all three titles and games will be unavoidably mentioned in all subsequent discussions here. This includes "IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover"... as a game named following the brand only (exaclty the same as "IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946" and "IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles"). If it wasn't clear before, now I hope it is.

 

 

[Ribbon]

109: Battle of Coral sea

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

109: Battle of Coral sea

 

 

You got it: the wrong plane at the wrong place, this is what, as a title, "IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover" means.

 

But I also gave other reasons for the drop of the "IL-2 Sturmovik" brand. This request of mine (see the O.P.) will be satisfied... or not. Future will tell.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by 343KKT_Kintaro
quotation marks mistake

[CountZero]

more ppl would buy game named "IL-2 Sturmovik : MiG Alley" then just "MiG Alley" just because brand name IL-2 Sturmovik is still famous enough with aging costumers it caters, it would be 2nd stupid decision in last year or so to just lanch new game without it .

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

more ppl would buy game named "IL-2 Sturmovik : MiG Alley" then just "MiG Alley" just because brand name IL-2 Sturmovik is still famous enough with aging costumers it caters, it would be 2nd stupid decision in last year or so to just lanch new game without it .

 

 

What you just said is... horrible. Horrible, dear, horrible. In 2001, the world was dazzled with a combat flight simulator for PC that nobody expected being so good. The brand wasn't a factor of success as nobody had heard it before. I'd like that the 1CGS developers simply say to themselves: "ok, let's have a pair of bollocks and develop the ultimate combat flight sim for PC, and this time we'll name it differently because, for that, we don't need to rely on the already-established prestige oof an already-existing brand ".

 

 

[Ribbon]

I think they should keep "IL2" title as it is basically synonym for ww2 combat flight sim but without Sturmovik in title as it makes ti too long when added "battle of".

I know il2 as a plane doesnt fit other theatres but in flight simming/gaming it reffers more on a game brand than plane itself.

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

6 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

I think they should keep "IL2" title as it is basically synonym for ww2 combat flight sim but without Sturmovik in title as it makes ti too long when added "battle of".

 

 

Excuse me... didn't you get that we are talking about a new game? "battle of" this directly refers to the Great Battles series! Please read the original post. Indeed, one of the reasons I ask to stop using "IL-2 Sturmovik" as a brand (or "IL-2", no essential difference) is the confusion between games. So, how could it be easier to distinguish "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of X" from "IL-2: Battle of X"? That would be even more confusing...

 

 

6 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

reffers more on a game brand than plane itself.

 

 

If 20 years have passed and now "IL-2" is, in our western-world nations, more a synonym of a video game rather than a specific aircraft... this is wrong. Wrong and sad. I went into flight sims more than 30 years ago, when we, as a community, were aviation passionates seeking for the emulated experience of historical aviation, at least by means of a software in a PC... now, apparently, there's a community of gamers who are video game passionates and who have forgotten that there was a piston-engine era of military aviation.

 

 

[LukeFF]

45 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Excuse me... didn't you get that we are talking about a new game? "battle of" this directly refers to the Great Battles series! Please read the original post. Indeed, one of the reasons I ask to stop using "IL-2 Sturmovik" as a brand (or "IL-2", no essential difference) is the confusion between games. So, how could it be easier to distinguish "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of X" from "IL-2: Battle of X"? That would be even more confusing...

 

If 20 years have passed and now "IL-2" is, in our western-world nations, more a synonym of a video game rather than a specific aircraft... this is wrong. Wrong and sad. I went into flight sims more than 30 years ago, when we, as a community, were aviation passionates seeking for the emulated experience of historical aviation, at least by means of a software in a PC... now, apparently, there's a community of gamers who are video game passionates and who have forgotten that there was a piston-engine era of military aviation.

 

People are allowed to have a differing opinion here without being shouted down in the process. These "excuse me" comments are entirely unnecessary in a discussion like this one.

[sevenless]

8 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

I think they should keep "IL2" title as it is basically synonym for ww2 combat flight sim but without Sturmovik in title as it makes ti too long when added "battle of".

I know il2 as a plane doesnt fit other theatres but in flight simming/gaming it reffers more on a game brand than plane itself.

 

 

Even 6 months after that fancy announcement of the "new project" they have nothing to show. Not even a feature concept. At this point it doesn´t matter anymore how they call that "new project". They will have to buid up customer trust from the ground up. They have a rocky way ahead of them if they plan to stay in business.

[Ribbon]

4 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Excuse me... didn't you get that we are talking about a new game? "battle of" this directly refers to the Great Battles series! Please read the original post. Indeed, one of the reasons I ask to stop using "IL-2 Sturmovik" as a brand (or "IL-2", no essential difference) is the confusion between games. So, how could it be easier to distinguish "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of X" from "IL-2: Battle of X"? That would be even more confusing...

 

 

 

 

If 20 years have passed and now "IL-2" is, in our western-world nations, more a synonym of a video game rather than a specific aircraft... this is wrong. Wrong and sad. I went into flight sims more than 30 years ago, when we, as a community, were aviation passionates seeking for the emulated experience of historical aviation, at least by means of a software in a PC... now, apparently, there's a community of gamers who are video game passionates and who have forgotten that there was a piston-engine era of military aviation.

 

 

Yes i know it's about new game, i was giving an example.

Il2 is a known brand in a flight sim market so going for completley new name would be throwing away established brand, much more marketing would be needed than it already has with il2 in the title.

Good example would be Call of duty or Battlefield series, they stick to their well known brand title that itself does huge chunk of marketing.

At least that is my opinion?‍♂️

3 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Even 6 months after that fancy announcement of the "new project" they have nothing to show. Not even a feature concept. At this point it doesn´t matter anymore how they call that "new project". They will have to buid up customer trust from the ground up. They have a rocky way ahead of them if they plan to stay in business.

I have no prpblem throwing critics when justified, but here i get them when compared with every other dev studio.

It's a new project/game with big engine revamp so i get their silence until new project gets into shape....it's just how things work in industry...i guess?‍♂️

Im not emotionally attached so for me it's ok, no trust issues,  if they release good product and within scope of my interest i'll buy it, if not i wont simple as that.

 

Cheers

[CountZero]

its fault of creators of first IL-2 sturmovik for picking that specific name for its game, they were short sighted and didnt think their game will be so popular ? imagine if first call of duty or battlefield was named insted by one type of weapon used in game lol Thompson M1A1 duty 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Still waiting for them to introduce all those new team members, in the past they always did, supposedly a fifty percent increase and so far not even a peep.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

7 hours ago, CountZero said:

its fault of creators of first IL-2 sturmovik for picking that specific name for its game

 

 

This Soviet Union ground-attack aircraft is, I think, the most produced military model of all time. So, during the post-soviet era of PC flight sims and video games, the Russians proudly developed their "Shturmovik" game. And, in this first game of 2001, out of the 31 player-flyable aircraft, 10 were variants and subvariants of the Ilyushin IL-2 Sturmovik... the covert art clearly showed an Ilyushin IL-2... Thus the game was correctly titled because it clearly focused on this very specific aircraft.