When will the B25 become flyable?

[jeanba]

The use of the B25s by the french was very limited.

Late Boston versions or B26 would better fit

Edited March 26, 2024 by jeanba

[KodiakJac]

8 hours ago, MajorMagee said:

Still keeping them flying. (17 at our 2010 Doolittle Reunion Fly-In)

 

 

 

 

What a beautiful sight! 

 

[R7-S276]

the French Air Force used 21 B-25 after March 1945. The developers are going to release the TA-152 which was built at 69 exemplar between January and may 1945… the use of TA-152 was very limited also… 

[KodiakJac]

2 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

the French Air Force used 21 B-25 after March 1945. The developers are going to release the TA-152 which was built at 69 exemplar between January and may 1945… the use of TA-152 was very limited also… 

 

And wasn't the Ta-152 designed as a high-altitude fighter to go after B-17 and B-24 bombers above 20,000 feet?  We don't have strategic bombers in IL-2 Great Battles, so what use is the Ta-152?  Where does it fit?

[Lusekofte]

15 hours ago, KodiakJac said:

 

And wasn't the Ta-152 designed as a high-altitude fighter to go after B-17 and B-24 bombers above 20,000 feet?  We don't have strategic bombers in IL-2 Great Battles, so what use is the Ta-152?  Where does it fit?

It do not fit much anywhere since it saw little operation. But it did have low level encounters. Not sure if it ever fought against bombers at all

[Bars-]

 

[Rjel]

The B-25 was the first warbird I ever saw. There were two in formation that flew low over our house in the late 1970s while I was outside doing yard work with my dad. I could hear them coming from over the woodslot adjacent to our place but I couldn't see them. When they came into view I think I was actually shouting and pointing at them for my dad to see. He looked and told me to get back to work.

 

I thought it was exciting.

[Aleksander55]

The B-25 is in the museum pages and also has what seems to be instructions for the player in it's specifications...

 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Aleksander55

[Avimimus]

All the aircraft are researched to a high degree and modelled to a level similar to that of the player aircraft. There could also have been notes around from when they were investigating the possibility of making it flyable.

 

I would advise against getting one's hopes up based on the museum page.

[KodiakJac]

On 6/21/2024 at 4:21 AM, Avimimus said:

All the aircraft are researched to a high degree and modelled to a level similar to that of the player aircraft. There could also have been notes around from when they were investigating the possibility of making it flyable.

 

I would advise against getting one's hopes up based on the museum page.

 

Since 1C produced the Ta 152, an aircraft that saw less than 100 examples reach active service during WWII, anything is now possible! 😃

 

The B-25 would far surpass sales of the Ta 152 as a collector aircraft.   The B-25 is America's second most famous bomber of WWII (with the most famous being the B-17, of course).  The B-25 would be a cash cow for 1C, but I don't think they realize it.

 

Edited June 22, 2024 by KodiakJac

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, KodiakJac said:

 

Since 1C produced the Ta 152, an aircraft that saw less than 100 examples reach active service during WWII, anything is now possible! 😃

 

The B-25 would far surpass sales of the Ta 152 as a collector aircraft.   The B-25 is America's second most famous bomber of WWII (with the most famous being the B-17, of course).  The B-25 would be cash cow for 1C, but I don't think they realize it. 

thouse stats info were in game since AI version was made, so nothing new.

 

 

Also fact that they made such unique fighter insted doing bomber for whome they already have so mutch made in game, and players saying just make cockpit, bombardier and rear gunner positions, tells you how low chances are for any bomber vs fighter to be made.

 

 

then you get bomber players buying any fighter in hope that team will use that to make bombers combined with fighter players buying 2, and you end up in loop of fighter airplanes are more profitable, so lets make more fighter airplanes...

 

so no anything is not possible, only few things are possible, and anounced plans for next few years of collectable airplanes shows you what type things

[Enceladus828]

10 hours ago, KodiakJac said:

 

Since 1C produced the Ta 152, an aircraft that saw less than 100 examples reach active service during WWII, anything is now possible! 😃

 

The B-25 would far surpass sales of the Ta 152 as a collector aircraft.   The B-25 is America's second most famous bomber of WWII (with the most famous being the B-17, of course).  The B-25 would be cash cow for 1C, but I don't think they realize it. 

100% agree on this. The issue is that the devs are all committed to the 'new project' so any new aircraft like the IAR 80/81, WACO glider, flyable B-25, and I-153 have to be done by a team of people committed to the task. The Spitfire Mk. IXc, Spitfire Mk. XIVe (Teardrop canopy), Ta-152, Bf-109G-6A/S, and La-5F are relatively simple conversions of aircraft already in the game that are being made to train new modellers so you cannot put making a B-25 cockpit in the hands of newbies. Though I do disagree with some of the planes that were added and feel the Pe-3, Mosquito Mk. IV, and Bf-110F-2 should have been done instead of the Spitfire Mk. XIVe, Ta-152, and Bf-109G-6A/S and the WACO was better off being left as AI because they would have been much better sellers and filled in some gaps. Maybe the Pe-3 and Bf-110F are being saved for the Karelia or Odessa planeset.

[KodiakJac]

19 hours ago, CountZero said:

...combined with fighter players buying 2

 

Fighter players buying 2?  Why would fighter players buy the same aircraft twice?

[CountZero]

5 hours ago, KodiakJac said:

 

Fighter players buying 2?  Why would fighter players buy the same aircraft twice?

So devs make more fighter airplanes , fighter players are by default selfish, so they aint gona be buying B-25 thinking devs will make more He-162s, they understand if the buy 2-3 6 Ta-152 devs will see oh there is demand for wonderwafe so lets make more.

 

Also for smurf acounts if they are into MP, so they can troll around on it...

 

[R33GZ]

On 6/22/2024 at 8:34 PM, CountZero said:

so no anything is not possible, only few things are possible

What a thoroughly depressing way of looking at it. Anything IS possible, just not necessarily probable 😉

[creamersdream]

At least if we got B17 or B24 for AI would be good.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Right after the B-29.🤔

[kraut1]

-If we get a flyable B25 we need from my point of view an additional map where it was used by the USAAF in WW2.

 

-I suppose, the B25 with solid nose / heavy gun armament for low level ground attacks was used in first line in the Pacific?

 

-For the decision, if flyable B25 with glas nose & bombardier or with solid / heavy gun armament a question by a fighter / fighter bomber pilot:

How good is level bombing simulated in the current IL2 GB?

e.g: If you fly as a human wingman with manual control in a AI bomber formation in which way do you get the signal to drop your bombs by the lead plane?

e.g: If you are the human flight leader of the an AI bomber formation, how can you advise your bomber unit to drop bombs?

or are level bomber formation attacks currently flown in first line in online / multiplayer missions?

(I have flown level bombing missions only in "Their finest hour / BoB" in 1990/91, for all later simulations I was to impatient to learn)

 

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, kraut1 said:

-If we get a flyable B25 we need from my point of view an additional map where it was used by the USAAF in WW2

 

Why does it have to be an American version? Why isn't it enough to fly as a Commonwealth pilot?

 

That said, I'd prefer a solid nose version in the Pacific (if we were getting one).

[kraut1]

2 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Why does it have to be an American version? Why isn't it enough to fly as a Commonwealth pilot?

 

That said, I'd prefer a solid nose version in the Pacific (if we were getting one).

Sorry, of course a Commonwealth pilot is good enough too. What I meant was (maybe I am wrong) that I suppose the missions in the Pacific Area were a bit more interesting, a big variety of mission types including low level anti ship missions. And beside the US and Commonwealth Pilots even Pilots from the Netherlands could use it.

[Avimimus]

6 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

Sorry, of course a Commonwealth pilot is good enough too. What I meant was (maybe I am wrong) that I suppose the missions in the Pacific Area were a bit more interesting, a big variety of mission types including low level anti ship missions. And beside the US and Commonwealth Pilots even Pilots from the Netherlands could use it.

 

Thanks, I appreciate that. FWIW - we went about two decades with essentially all of the (non Battle of Britain) simulators only depicting the USAAF or USN... so I'm still a bit touchy! 😄 Weirdly.

 

I'd personally prefer a solid-nose one operating in the Pacific - with rockets and cannon. When Il-2 1946 mods made those versions flyable I enjoyed them a lot more... I mean, it was a bit mad coming in that low to strafe using a 15 ton airplane - but then again, I am a bit mad so it worked.

[kraut1]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

 

Thanks, I appreciate that. FWIW - we went about two decades with essentially all of the (non Battle of Britain) simulators only depicting the USAAF or USN... so I'm still a bit touchy! 😄 Weirdly.

 

I'd personally prefer a solid-nose one operating in the Pacific - with rockets and cannon. When Il-2 1946 mods made those versions flyable I enjoyed them a lot more... I mean, it was a bit mad coming in that low to strafe using a 15 ton airplane - but then again, I am a bit mad so it worked.

When I was a child in the late 70s my father build an B25 RC Model. In this times he was not very experienced in flying so it crashed very often. After it had crashed finally  I had one of the twin vertical tails hanging at the wall in my room for some years.

[Blitzen]

With the news of Korea new sim and the possibility of a flyable B-29 (?) it appears to me that most of the creative processing is being siphoned off to get Korean aircraft off the ground, and ww2 4 engined aircraft are being left to other sims like the Dieppe addition to CloD.I bet we’ll see a flyable A-26 ( aka B-26 ) before we see a flyable B-25…..unfortunately.

[kraut1]

39 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

With the news of Korea new sim and the possibility of a flyable B-29 (?) it appears to me that most of the creative processing is being siphoned off to get Korean aircraft off the ground, and ww2 4 engined aircraft are being left to other sims like the Dieppe addition to CloD.I bet we’ll see a flyable A-26 ( aka B-26 ) before we see a flyable B-25…..unfortunately.

Yes, could be, very ..unfortunately.

I suppose, after the 1 or 2 or X Korea Modules are released the new Game Engine will be the basis of a new WW2 IL2 Great Battles, because it will have all features that are still missing in the current IL2 GB like Radar Communication, Advanced communication with AI wingmen, 4 engine bombers,...

[Blitzen]

I'm afraid I'll be long gone by that time...

[Aapje]

4 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Thanks, I appreciate that. FWIW - we went about two decades with essentially all of the (non Battle of Britain) simulators only depicting the USAAF or USN... so I'm still a bit touchy! 😄 Weirdly.

 

It seems to be a consequence of American wealth and their dominance in making these things (before the Russians and French took over, in flight simming). Hollywood productions also tend to focus too much on Americans. If those movies are to believed, even American samurai were a major factor in Japanese history.

[KodiakJac]

On 6/26/2024 at 5:02 AM, Avimimus said:

 

Why does it have to be an American version? Why isn't it enough to fly as a Commonwealth pilot?

 

^ This.  I would be thrilled to fly a B-25 for the RAF on the Normandy and Bodenplatte maps!  And I'm an American 🙂

[Trooper117]

On 6/26/2024 at 11:02 AM, Avimimus said:

Why does it have to be an American version? Why isn't it enough to fly as a Commonwealth pilot?

 

Too right chum... av a quick cuppa an then mount up an let's get on wiv it!

[Blitzen]

7 hours ago, KodiakJac said:

 

^ This.  I would be thrilled to fly a B-25 for the RAF on the Normandy and Bodenplatte maps!  And I'm an American 🙂

You could make A Faux North African campaign on the Kuban Map?

[Markodds]

I would do anything for this baby to be flyable in Great Battles 😔

[KodiakJac]

2 hours ago, Markodds said:

I would do anything for this baby to be flyable in Great Battles 😔

 

The B-25 would be one of 1C's most successful collector planes.

[ITAF_Rani]

10 hours ago, KodiakJac said:

 

The B-25 would be one of 1C's most successful collector planes.

They could make a B25 flyble with only 1 pilot available...all the rest of the crew AI only

Edited July 2, 2024 by ITAF_Rani

[R7-S276]

would be better than nothing maybe, but a B-25 with absolutely all the positions playable by human would be so great (pilot, copilot, navigation/bomber/radio, gunners…) 

[IckyATLAS]

I am happy to see how much this request for a Flyable B25 is popular and requested by the community.

Devs have a very poor sound acuity. But who knows, by repeating loud and clear this message it may finally work one day.

Cross fingers .....

[gemanuel1]

2 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Cross fingers .....

Agreed.

 

I also think it would be needed for "balancing" purposes. Arent the allies in this game in "bad" need for a medium bomber of sorts? Sure the A20 and all the American/British planes can bring bombs but when me and my mates want to do strategic bombers it has to be either JU 88 or HE 111. Would be really nice with something on the allied side.

 

Cheers!

Edited July 4, 2024 by gemanuel1

[LukeFF]

11 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

I am happy to see how much this request for a Flyable B25 is popular and requested by the community.

Devs have a very poor sound acuity. But who knows, by repeating loud and clear this message it may finally work one day.

Cross fingers .....

 

We have made it clear on more than one occasion that the only way a B-25 is going to be made flyable right now is through a third-party team.

[IckyATLAS]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

We have made it clear on more than one occasion that the only way a B-25 is going to be made flyable right now is through a third-party team.

Agreed. But who will find the third party team. Isn't it the role of the dev team to find it?

Can't UGRA Media do it? I think they made tanks or planes already if I can remember.

Edited July 4, 2024 by IckyATLAS

[BlitzPig_EL]

The real question is who is going to pay the initial investment to have an independent modeling firm do it?  It's obvious that dev team has no interest in it.

 

Move along, nothing to see here.

[KodiakJac]

5 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The real question is who is going to pay the initial investment to have an independent modeling firm do it?  It's obvious that dev team has no interest in it.

 

That's why I suggested...

 

"...a Presale on the B-25 to see if they can generate enough revenue to justify a project to add it to IL-2 Great Battles with a "No Promises" stipulation that if the presale doesn't generate enough income to justify the project, they would refund the money to the customers who bought it with no harm done."

[BlitzPig_EL]

It's pretty to think about, but there are still costs involved in the transactions if it doesn't pan out and refunds have to be given.  I don't expect the publisher to eat those costs, especially in today's economy.