Ok iar80

[pencon]

Hello iL2 staff , I prepaid for iar 80 over 6 months ago . When's it going to happen ? We need fresh meat . Something different . Put some pressure on the private team already ! Cmon man ! Make it happen ! Please and thankyou ! ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2023 by pencon

[Jaws2002]

Edited February 6, 2023 by Jaws2002

[Han]

A guy whos idea was to start preorder for airplane which 3D model developer is enthusiast and have no strict deadlines, timelines or cotract - he have done his job here and now he is working other projects other side of the ocean you know... 

 

There are several debts remaining for me as for producer from the previous management. But still we plan to complete them.

 

Anyway - IAR development is going on. And Ivan who doing its 3D is motivated to do a cool plane. At least now its close to the stage where FM development could be started. While it is not one but two planes (long and short versions) - FM development will take 30% more time. We hope to have it in update in the end of 2023.

[Jaws2002]

25 minutes ago, Han said:

We hope to have it in update in the end of 2023.

I'm crushed.  It's already been over a year since I preordered.  

 

I do understand what you mean. Jason did have a habit of launching preorders way too early.  Hope everything works out well with the IAR. So far it looks really cool.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Jaws2002

[Avimimus]

I don't know about that  I'd be happy to pre-order an I-153 now - even if it meant I'd have to wait until 2025.

 

I think it is good to have what people can expect clearly spelled out multiple times though... so they are aware it may take a while. So long as we know that we have to wait it isn't that bad. I do hope the work continues with 3rd parties (even if it is a bit slower), as I'd love to see an early war French two-seater for WWI etc.

 

The thing I'm curious about is whether the Li-2 is still coming (as that was announced, but not open to pre-orders)!

[FlyingH]

Looks like Oleg Maddox´s "2 weeks" tha we, from the old IL2 era, got used to! ?

[CUJO_1970]

Damn, that’s gonna leave a mark. ?

[Canvas25]

Pre-orders are based on trust. I just don't have that now.

[Rjel]

1 hour ago, Canvas25 said:

Pre-orders are based on trust. I just don't have that now.

I’m feeling that way too I’m afraid. This really doesn’t feel like “my” sim right now. Hope that feeling comes back but I’m not certain of it anymore. 

[Denum]

I pre-ordered knowing it was a side project. While I'm a little disappointed how long it will take. Its not a big deal...

[ICDP]

It's a balance to be honest.  The IAR 80 is an ethusiast project and my guess (and I stress guess) is that Jason put it for pre-order to help motivate the guys working on it.  I have worked with Ivan on this and I can tell we are working very diligantly with the rest of the team to get the AR80 completed and released.

 

I know people have a right to be disappointed but the team are working to get this fine little plane released.

 

Here is a teaser and I hope the devs allow this as it has not been approved, I just want to see this thread go in a nicer direction.

 

[DBS]

The end of 2023 is crazy no? Is that one guy doing one day a week?

 

Whether you agree to with the pre-order or not, it was made live and remains live on your store. Maybe come up with a better excuse than "the previous producer made us do it".

 

Honestly losing all faith in this product and this developer.

[ICDP]

Yes, he (and I ) effectively work a full time job and are doing the IAR80 work in our spare time.  Once the 3D and texturing work are done it goes to the FM guys and that can also take many months to complete.

 

I'm not trying to change your mind if you have lost faith, just putting some context on this for everyone.  You can take that info how you like.

[DBS]

19 minutes ago, ICDP said:

Yes, he (and I ) effectively work a full time job and are doing the IAR80 work in our spare time.  Once the 3D and texturing work are done it goes to the FM guys and that can also take many months to complete.

 

I'm not trying to change your mind if you have lost faith, just putting some context on this for everyone.  You can take that info how you like.

 

That's what is confusing me. A further 10 months to do this?

 

I just find it confusing how existing pre-orders seemingly have no priority. We wait months for any word at all and then when we do get word, it says to wait another year?

[354thFG_Leifr]

Cancel your preorder, if needs be.

[Regingrave-]

1 час назад, DBS сказал:

That's what is confusing me. A further 10 months to do this?

Yes, a further 10 months to complete the model and to create a flight model for two quite different planes, based on it. Didn't you know, that we don't bake them like cookies, and a plane may take a year or two to be produced even within the team?

 

1 час назад, DBS сказал:

I just find it confusing how existing pre-orders seemingly have no priority. We wait months for any word at all and then when we do get word, it says to wait another year?

We don't prioritize something over anything, we simply have a production schedule that includes IAR as well as other planes.

Work on FM cannot be started before the model is complete, as much as we would like to, this process cannot be accelerated.

[DBS]

16 minutes ago, Leifr said:

Cancel your preorder, if needs be.

 

I haven't pre-ordered. See:

 

14 hours ago, Canvas25 said:

Pre-orders are based on trust. I just don't have that now.

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

That’s a long time to wait, but it was a very direct answer to the original question.

[Lusekofte]

19 hours ago, Avimimus said:

153 now - even if it meant I'd have to wait until 2025.

That goes for me too on that specific airplane and a couple of liaison ac + seaplanes. Any other it pisses me off. Preorder should be on reasonable time. IAR 80 is really a plane I like to have

[Missionbug]

To be honest I am disappointed to now know it will be the end of this year before this aircraft finally gets here, that said I have to accept that when we bought into the pre-order we were in effect venturing into new territory because this would effectively be the first instance I think where someone outside of the respective studios was going to actually build and have a model integrated into the sim.

 

 

With the current issues in the world and essentially a new company coming together with new priorities and plans in the works at least we do know work is continuing on the IAR-80 even if it is slower than we anticipated it might be when we committed to the pre-order, so wait it is, I cannot get the sim to play anything much as it is right now anyway since the last few updates, it just seems to seize for long periods of time, although I can see the exhaust smoke moving, so I guess it will be no great loss to me right now and I cannot afford to buy anything else anyway. 

 

Thank you very much though for actually giving us an update on this particular project, really appreciated.

 

Take carer and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited February 7, 2023 by Missionbug

[Avimimus]

31 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

That goes for me too on that specific airplane and a couple of liaison ac + seaplanes. Any other it pisses me off. Preorder should be on reasonable time. IAR 80 is really a plane I like to have

 

Yeah. I agree too. I-153, Fi-156, Ar-196, Fw-189... I'd pay and wait three years for any of those (if that is what it took)

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Maybe we'll get the BF109G6/AS sooner as it's external model is nearly done and the the FM is already ongoing?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[CountZero]

6 hours ago, Regingrave said:

Yes, a further 10 months to complete the model and to create a flight model for two quite different planes, based on it. Didn't you know, that we don't bake them like cookies, and a plane may take a year or two to be produced even within the team?

 

We don't prioritize something over anything, we simply have a production schedule that includes IAR as well as other planes.

Work on FM cannot be started before the model is complete, as much as we would like to, this process cannot be accelerated.

ah yes like yak-9 and yak-9t were not broken in two collector airplanes, or mass of 109G6s , and is this year or two new policy or from before i think before standard was 6-12 months for airplane... 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

What is it about the IARs being developed by two people in their spare time that you don't seem to understand?

 

Honestly, some of you act like spoiled, petulant children.

[Rjel]

31 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

What is it about the IARs being developed by two people in their spare time that you don't seem to understand?

 

Honestly, some of you act like spoiled, petulant children.

I do not!!!

[Jaws2002]

The IAR is not an easy plane to model. The geometry is pretty complicated and the two planes they will make are actually five or more modifications.  

 A lot of changes were made during the production and many of those you can already see in the last update about the plane. 

 IAR-80 started without any armor, ring and bead sight, no self sealing fuel tanks, four machine guns, no bombs or drop tanks. Then as the production ramped up things were changed as the feedback came from the front line and as additional weapons and equipment became available. 

 In the las DD about the plane you can already see, multiple arming variants, two types of gunsights, multiple cockpit layouts, additional fuselage reinforcements, multiple types of headrest armor, additional oil cooler, short and long fuselage, short and long wings, and a bunch of other things.

 They will need time to make everything work properly with the intended versions. 

Anyway. Thank you for the update and screenshot. 

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

What is it about the IARs being developed by two people in their spare time that you don't seem to understand?

 

Honestly, some of you act like spoiled, petulant children.

Iz it made for free, iz it mod airplane that they make just for fun ? or its represented as product they make to sell like any other...

from year ago:

IAR – 80/81 – Second half of 2022 (Made by Ivan Shirshov)

and now its gona take +1year lol

 

well considering new project is in plan, no wonder, i expected nothing more then stuff for this game will be slowed down compared to how it was before, now that they have to work on two games.

Edited February 7, 2023 by CountZero

[CountZero]

47 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

The IAR is not an easy plane to model. The geometry is pretty complicated and the two planes they will make are actually five or more modifications.  

 A lot of changes were made during the production and many of those you can already see in the last update about the plane. 

 IAR-80 started without any armor, ring and bead sight, no self sealing fuel tanks, four machine guns, no bombs or drop tanks. Then as the production ramped up things were changed as the feedback came from the front line and as additional weapons and equipment became available. 

 In the las DD about the plane you can already see, multiple arming variants, two types of gunsights, multiple cockpit layouts, additional fuselage reinforcements, multiple types of headrest armor, additional oil cooler, short and long fuselage, short and long wings, and a bunch of other things.

 They will need time to make everything work properly with the intended versions. 

Anyway. Thank you for the update and screenshot. 

Hurricane also come with planty of mods that make it more then one airplane and i check it was anounced and preorder started in november 2019 (with BoN and Yak9s) and delivered in november 2020, even with pandemic slowing things down, 12 months.

Yak-9s may 2020, 2 versions , 6 months. So no standard was not 1-2 year, this is some thing new and if its how things are to be expected from now they should make it more clear when they anounce next airplane to preorder, as how things were before you expected airplane in year time tops.

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, CountZero said:

Hurricane also come with planty of mods that make it more then one airplane and i check it was anounced and preorder started in november 2019 (with BoN and Yak9s) and delivered in november 2020, even with pandemic slowing things down, 12 months.

Yak-9s may 2020, 2 versions , 6 months. So no standard was not 1-2 year, this is some thing new and if its how things are to be expected from now they should make it more clear when they anounce next airplane to preorder, as how things were before you expected airplane in year time tops.

 

Two entirely (and obviously) different situations, as was pointed out here by Han. The Hurricane and Yak-9s were developed in house while the IAR 80 is being developed by two guys in their spare time. 

[Rjel]

Jaws,

You seem to be quite knowledgeable about the plane, I've often wonder why it was designed with a tail strut instead of a wheel. Do you know why? It seems an odd choice even for an early war A/C.

[CountZero]

1 minute ago, LukeFF said:

 

Two entirely (and obviously) different situations, as was pointed out here by Han. The Hurricane and Yak-9s were developed in house while the IAR 80 is being developed by two guys in their spare time. 

Didn't you know, that we don't bake them like cookies, and a plane may take a year or two to be produced even within the team?

[DBFlyguy]

I swear this forum 95.9% percent of the time lately can be equated.....

[Jaws2002]

38 minutes ago, Rjel said:

Jaws,

You seem to be quite knowledgeable about the plane, I've often wonder why it was designed with a tail strut instead of a wheel. Do you know why? It seems an odd choice even for an early war A/C.

I have no idea. Maybe because the tail was inspired from the Polish PZL-24  and that one had a similar setup. The The Romanians were not known for forward thinking.  The command of the military and politicians were not too happy to see Romanian companies getting contracts. They all wanted to buy stuff from rich countries, so they can get bribes and then travel all over Europe to make deals.....kind of like they do these days.

  If you read the sad history of the Gnome-Rone 14K/IAR1000K engine development you would realize, it's a miracle the plane even made it in production.

 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Jaws2002

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

What is it about the IARs being developed by two people in their spare time that you don't seem to understand?

 

Honestly, some of you act like spoiled, petulant children.

I am in fact a little pissed off not getting the message Han gave us before. 
here we sit waiting for it. All they had to do was saying what he did when they knew. 
It is not being spoiled. What we are dealing with is absolute rubbish customer treatment. 
They should give this information when they have it. 

[Feldgrun]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Honestly, some of you act like spoiled, petulant children.

 

Welcome to the internet. It's been a mess since the mid-90s.

[ST_Catchov]

1 hour ago, DBFlyguy said:

I swear this forum 95.9% percent of the time lately can be equated.....

 

And the remaining 4.1% ....

 

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

ST_Catchov, don’t worry, FC3 is coming soon.

[Gambit21]

11 hours ago, DBS said:

 

I haven't pre-ordered. See:

 

 

 

Good.

Then feel free to take your ball and go home.

 

As a 3D aircraft modeler/developer...I can tell you that it's a very, very  long road...a slog. It's tedious, often frustrating, it takes most of your free time, and it get's done when it get's done. Especially when you have a job and a life away from the workstation. I work on this stuff about 3 hours a night, maybe 5 nights a week modeling (or developing missions) I don't even get to fly except for rare occasions because I simply don't have time.  I'm sure it's the same for these guys. This stuff takes forever...it just does.

 

Meanwhile, all you have to do (horror of horrors) is go about your life, fly when you have time,  and wait until an aircraft is done, then enjoy it.

So do that...and put a sock in it.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2023 by Gambit21

[Crocogator]

I'm just happy to see that things are progressing. I know that I'll be playing in a year's time, and hopefully, in an IAR.

[pencon]

By the time it gets done , what if the pre paid info gets lost in the shuffle ? I didn't get an actual receipt , ya know ?