Why am I losing control? and stiff VS loose springs (New Player)

[Yeeli]

I have had the gam for a little while to play Tank Crew, but recently bought an X56 and DelanClip to try my hand at a Yak-9.

 

I could just be a bad pilot, but I find my Yak-9 losing control and spinning out very easily, and am easily outturned by 109's. Am I just bad or can I correct this some way?, also, what is better, stiff or loose springs. I think the loose springs are contributing to my previous problem, but my X56 with stiff springs seems to have a very tough centre that requires a bit of force to pull out of. What do you guys think? I am pretty new, and just got my X56 today and my DelanClip is arriving in about a fortnight. Also, does anyone have any tips for flying? I am getting my ass beat by novice 109 ai while 1v1, and only got 1 kill on a 4v4 against novice ai. Whats the best way to practice?

[Lusekofte]

To me it seems like you Are stalling the aircraft. 
I personally like the Yak 9 , but it need pretty much engine handeling. 
Are you flying in career or qmb?

if Qmb set opponent at lowest difficult level.

You need to trim the aircraft. 
just saying you should fly the bf 109 first. It got automatic radiators and pitch and are in general Easier to maintain speed. 
you will improve as soon you learn how aerodynamics works. 
As far the joystick goes it is a feel you yourself have to choose. Your problem is probably you turn too tight and have too little speed

[Raptorattacker]

Best way to practice is exactly what you're doing pretty much. Play, get beat, have a rest and think about it and then rinse and repeat.

To think that you're going to 'jump into' any aircraft and immediately be proficient is more suited to something like war thunder. It doesn't work like that.

Try this video and then you're basically on the way to the later Yaks. A lot of the engine and flight management is pretty much covered in this (very good) video anyway.

As they say, "Don't try and run before you learn how to walk".

Good luck!

 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, Yeeli said:

losing control and spinning out very easily

"Losing control and spinning" can basically mean two things (apart from battle damage):

- you're flying too slow, or

- you pull too sudden.

 

All aircraft have an ideal turning speed. I *think* it's around 270kph in the Yaks, but you'll have to check the in-game notes. If you're flying slower than that, ease the stick until you've picked up a bit of speed. That should solve the first one.

 

If you pull up too sudden, you can get into a so-called "high-speed stall", which in layman's terms means that the angle of your wings with respect to the direction the airplane is going (remember inertia from your physics classes) is too large for your wings to function as wings, at which point they start to function as bricks instead. This can happen pretty suddenly. To avoid it, simply don't pull the stick from center to all back at once, but do it slowly and incrementally. Once you get a bit more experienced in the Yak, you'll know how hard you can pull.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Put 1 or 2% flap down and let the magic stabilize you.

[Lusekofte]

9 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Put 1 or 2% flap down and let the magic stabilize you.

You are way too advanced and it will not help if already stalling. He need to learn basic manoeuvres before thinking tactics. But a little flaps do help 

[69th_Panp]

Yeah, you pretty much suck !? 

But hey we all did when we started, Pretty soon you will be handling the Yak just fine and you will think all is well in the world?

Then you will venture into the world of online servers!!

Then you will die repeatedly over and over again, you will become paranoid and develop twitches and jerks. you will wonder how they sunk up on you. You will start flying looking backwards more than forwards, and they will still sneak up on you. You will wonder how they are able to see you and you cant see them ?.

You will spend endless hours going over youtube videos of tracks made online. you will study all the great pilots and look at their stats.

You will cuss and rant and rave, maybe even throw dishes at the cat after getting killed! You will practice in single player and make kills and then think you are ready for online.

 

Hmmm  NOPE they are still sneaking up on you and killing you. By then you won't have to worry about the cat because he wont come around you anymore when your flying.

You will take breaks away from the sim from frustration and then return thinking I've got this     ?    Hmmmmm nope still getting sunk up on and killed!

You will study and learn and become a treasure trove of flying knowledge. Amazon book store will love you and offer you shares in the company because you spent so much in your quest for aircraft information.

You will be at company parties and your coworkers will look at you funny because you are able to list off the speed parameters of the 109 and 190 and the most allied aircrafts.

You will lose a lot of sleep staying up till 3 or 4 am and well sex is just out the window by now?

 

So, by now you are starting to look like crap and probable smelling bad also, the cat won't even come close to you. You girl friend or wife is starting to question her decision to be with you. You will be at work flying your hands around the room muttering to yourself trying to figure out how they sunk up on you. Your boss is asking your coworkers what the hell is a matter with you and questioning his discission on hiring and keeping you. 

 

By then you will have spent thousands of dollar looking for the best possible flight stick, rudder pedals, tracking software and computer. You will spend hundreds of hours looking at monitor spec sheets looking for that golden bullet.

 

Your wife or girl friend is talking to her mom about you and asking advice, the cat never returned after you left it out all night.

 

Then in a split second all that is forgotten, you're starting to fly right, not stalling and you start becoming aware of tactics, wingmen and low and behold you get your first I sunk up on him online kill !!!!!!!!!    Yeah   ? all is well with the world !  

Ahh nope 

Your cat and girl friend are gone. if you had a wife, probably wont be there long.  You still look like crap and probably still stink!  and you cowrkers know for sure that your loony after you tell them about sneaking up and  killing a guy online.

Your up too your eyeballs in dept from all the stuff you bought to get that first online kill ! 

 

Well congrats on your first online kill 

 

and welcome to the club!!!?

 

PS go wash them pits, you stink man?.

 

 

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by 69th_Panp

[RossMarBow]

15 hours ago, Yeeli said:

I have had the gam for a little while to play Tank Crew, but recently bought an X56 and DelanClip to try my hand at a Yak-9.

 

I could just be a bad pilot, but I find my Yak-9 losing control and spinning out very easily, and am easily outturned by 109's. Am I just bad or can I correct this some way?, also, what is better, stiff or loose springs. I think the loose springs are contributing to my previous problem, but my X56 with stiff springs seems to have a very tough centre that requires a bit of force to pull out of. What do you guys think? I am pretty new, and just got my X56 today and my DelanClip is arriving in about a fortnight. Also, does anyone have any tips for flying? I am getting my ass beat by novice 109 ai while 1v1, and only got 1 kill on a 4v4 against novice ai. Whats the best way to practice?

Sounds like you're just a bad pilot and need to practice a lot.

 

Make sure your vsing the 109 G2 G4 or G6 you should be able to out turn all of them. Same with a5.

 

Also use this it tells you climb, turn, stall speeds.

 

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by RossMarBow

[oc2209]

20 hours ago, Yeeli said:

I have had the gam for a little while to play Tank Crew, but recently bought an X56 and DelanClip to try my hand at a Yak-9.

 

I could just be a bad pilot, but I find my Yak-9 losing control and spinning out very easily, and am easily outturned by 109's.

 

First thing's first: fly with 50% fuel load. Should be more than enough for a 1v1 dogfight. It will make you stall less during turns.

 

Second: don't pull the stick back fully (to its mechanical limit). You can get away with pulling that hard if you have a lot of speed built up, but you will also pull a lot of Gs and be likely to grey/black out. Also never pull the stick suddenly. Make all your motions as smooth and unhurried as possible.

 

Third: watch and listen for buffeting/vibration as an indicator of an impending stall.

 

Here's a quick example clip I made:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Watch when I'm turning around the 1:20 mark. I begin to stall. I drop my nose to the horizon or below, to pick up speed. This will generally keep you from stalling (provided you're not also pulling too hard). Once enough speed is gained and I feel stable, I will gradually pick the nose up to climb in the turn.

[BlitzPig_EL]

 And when we talk about stalling, it's not the engine we are talking about, it's the wing's ability to create lift.

 

Fly smooth, and keep your speed up.

 

I would suggest practicing in solo flight in the quick mission builder, and learn to handle your plane without the pressure of combat.   Gradually fly more intricate maneuvers so you become accustomed to how far you can push your plane before it departs from controlled flight.   Learn how to hold your plane right on the edge,  then start coming to grips with gunnery. 

 

Combat flight simulation is NOT like an FPS console twitch shooter game. It requires more than just quick reflexes with a mouse and keyboard.  It will take time to learn, but once you become at ease with it, it will prove very rewarding.

[CAFulcrum]

Remove your spring and learn to fly based on elevator position rather than pointing the joystick in a direction.  Eventually you'll want forcefeedback.

Learning to fly without stalling is a matter of experience and learning to read the aircraft.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

22 hours ago, 69th_Panp said:

Yeah, you pretty much suck !? 

But hey we all did when we started, Pretty soon you will be handling the Yak just fine and you will think all is well in the world?

Then you will venture into the world of online servers!!

Then you will die repeatedly over and over again, you will become paranoid and develop twitches and jerks. you will wonder how they sunk up on you. You will start flying looking backwards more than forwards, and they will still sneak up on you. You will wonder how they are able to see you and you cant see them ?.

You will spend endless hours going over youtube videos of tracks made online. you will study all the great pilots and look at their stats.

You will cuss and rant and rave, maybe even throw dishes at the cat after getting killed! You will practice in single player and make kills and then think you are ready for online.

 

Hmmm  NOPE they are still sneaking up on you and killing you. By then you won't have to worry about the cat because he wont come around you anymore when your flying.

You will take breaks away from the sim from frustration and then return thinking I've got this     ?    Hmmmmm nope still getting sunk up on and killed!

You will study and learn and become a treasure trove of flying knowledge. Amazon book store will love you and offer you shares in the company because you spent so much in your quest for aircraft information.

You will be at company parties and your coworkers will look at you funny because you are able to list off the speed parameters of the 109 and 190 and the most allied aircrafts.

You will lose a lot of sleep staying up till 3 or 4 am and well sex is just out the window by now?

 

So, by now you are starting to look like crap and probable smelling bad also, the cat won't even come close to you. You girl friend or wife is starting to question her decision to be with you. You will be at work flying your hands around the room muttering to yourself trying to figure out how they sunk up on you. Your boss is asking your coworkers what the hell is a matter with you and questioning his discission on hiring and keeping you. 

 

By then you will have spent thousands of dollar looking for the best possible flight stick, rudder pedals, tracking software and computer. You will spend hundreds of hours looking at monitor spec sheets looking for that golden bullet.

 

Your wife or girl friend is talking to her mom about you and asking advice, the cat never returned after you left it out all night.

 

Then in a split second all that is forgotten, you're starting to fly right, not stalling and you start becoming aware of tactics, wingmen and low and behold you get your first I sunk up on him online kill !!!!!!!!!    Yeah   ? all is well with the world !  

Ahh nope 

Your cat and girl friend are gone. if you had a wife, probably wont be there long.  You still look like crap and probably still stink!  and you cowrkers know for sure that your loony after you tell them about sneaking up and  killing a guy online.

Your up too your eyeballs in dept from all the stuff you bought to get that first online kill ! 

 

Well congrats on your first online kill 

 

and welcome to the club!!!?

 

PS go wash them pits, you stink man?.

 

 

 

Holy crap, but mostly accurate lol!

[JG1_Greif]

I had a X56 and found that the joystick tends to have quite a bit of resistance to break away from its centre position due to the mechanical way they chose to make the stick recentre. I found this annoying because the centre position is very often the situation where I want to make very fine and gradual adjustments. From this perspective, it makes sense to choose the lightest spring to make breaking away from the centre position as light as possible. You can add add a small amount of silicone grease to the ring to help breaking away from the centre position or to make it smoother.

 

The X56 should do fine to get into flying in IL2. If you are really enjoying yourself and your budget allows it, you may want to consider upgrading to joysticks that use mechanics that allow for having a smoother centre at a later stage. Just to manage expectations: note that better hardware can help you alleviate little annoyances like these, but will most likely not magically transform you into a competent pilot all of a sudden. It can make your experience more comfortable. I would say I fky with higher tier hardware and I know that there are many pilots with simpler gear who have no problems shooting me down in a fight, simply by being the better pilot ?

[SIA_Sp00k]

20 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

 

“……..Fly smooth, and keep your speed up……”

 

Best advice in the whole thread. Be mindful this is easier said than done.  Comes with experience and patience. Pay heed.

[PatrickAWlson]

Here's a recommendation: fly a QMB with no opposition.  Practice turning, but instead of trying to turn as hard as possible, try pulling gently at first, then increase the input force until you get a feel for limits.  Every plane is going to be different.  The 190 has a wicked high speed stall (i.e., be gentle) while I find the 109 to be pretty tolerant.  

 

Allied planes tend to require more manual engine management as well.  German planes have automation that makes flying easier.  I bring this up because stalls and engine output are closely linked - you need power to avoid a stall.  Getting power out of German fighters is as simple as setting the throttle (MW50 and other boosts come in later).  Allied planes may need radiator, oil cooler, mixture, supercharger, you name it inputs.

 

But yeah, the basics are don't yank the stick and keep an eye on speed.

Edited February 3, 2023 by PatrickAWlson

[pencon]

Also when you start stalling use rudder to oppose the aileron reversal that happens during a stall .Another thing to do to prevent the stall or recover is go to half throttle ,and let up on the elevator  so you don't have so much prop torque during the stall , while still giving enough thrust against the rudder to correct it . When in a nasty spin go to idle, full down elevator and rudder opposite the spin . Then when coming out go to around half throttle so you don't re-stall from too much prop torque. This is nothing like war Thunder. The physics are much more realistic .I too use an X-56 throttle . But I sold the joystick without ever using it . Why ? No forcefeedback .

 

 

 

Instead I have a MS FFB2 from the 90's which is very helpful to feel stalls . Wouldn't fly without it. You can still find them on Ebay . Best stick ever .

 

I actually bought a spare, in case it ever wears out .

 

They seem to just keep working though . ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by pencon

[[CPT]Crunch]

Or drop flaps and pull all the extra AOA you need for the shot while slamming the throttle full.