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[dburne]

7 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

USB has several versions and connection types. Some of them have a large bitrate and can be used to support Display Port without data losses.

I believe the new PSVR2 uses DP over USB-C.

 

No - USB-C.

[Koziolek]

45 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

No - USB-C.

Do you mean it is not DP over USB? Just compresed USB-c as in Pico4? Or Quest 2?

Edited February 14, 2023 by Koziolek

[dburne]

3 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

Do you mean it is not DP over USB? Just compresed USB-c as in Pico4? Or Quest 2?

 

There is display port connection what we commonly think of as native PC-VR as it plugs directly into the GPU, then there is USB-C which can also carry the graphical image albeit at a slight performance loss that first Oculus Quest starting using and it expanded from there. There is a third which would be the wireless that seems to be gaining traction, like Meta Air Link. 

[Koziolek]

then we just have to wait and see. I'm very close to joining VR Club now when I upgraded to 4070Ti, but want to see if it will be possible to use PSVR2

And how is it going to compare to PICO 4

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Koziolek said:

then we just have to wait and see. I'm very close to joining VR Club now when I upgraded to 4070Ti, but want to see if it will be possible to use PSVR2

And how is it going to compare to PICO 4

 

PSVR2 will just be for Play Station. I am sure it will be very nice for Play Station games.  Not for PC.

Edited February 14, 2023 by dburne

[chiliwili69]

What I mean is that DP is supportted with USB-C with NO DATA LOSS:

https://www.displayport.org/displayport-over-usb-c/

[Customizer171]

On 2/11/2023 at 6:36 PM, Todt_Von_Oben said:

Getting back to this after a few days and some changes; here's a tip that worked for me.

 

As I said earlier in this thread; I started with the Rift, tried the Pimax, and settled on the G2.  Been flying it for about two years now.  I like it better than the Rift but the G2's 68mm maximum pupil width is one or two milimeters too narrow for me and it was like looking through a straw;  an awfully narrow view.

 

So I tried putting the headset on without the face mask and it gave me a great wide-angle field of view.  But then, how to hold it on my face?

 

So equipped my 4" Makita grinder with a narrow cutoff wheel and trimmed the plastic sides out of the face mask.  Took about five minutes all together.  I was careful to NOT damage the four center tabs that secure the mask to the headset but I removed the hard plastic sides almost all the way out to the foam pads on the sides. 

 

Here's a pic of the stock HP G2 mask and three pics of my modified "wide angle" mask.  I had to block two small light leaks at the bottom and a little black Gorilla Tape is all it took.  But this cheap, simple modification gave a MUCH better wide-angle view and I love the G2 even more now.  No more "horse blinders!" HURRAY!!!  

 

So, if you want to experiment with giving your G2  more of a wider angle field of vision,  it's possible.  If you aren't daring enough to perform surgery on your one-and-only headset, you might get a spare one and modify it.  But it worked really well for me and might for you, too.

 

In fact, it worked so well I think HP should market a commercial version.  Even if your face does fit the G2, this will give you a wider field of vision and who doesn't want that?

 

Prosit!   

 

 

This is something I will take a look at when I get back home. I am on a long trip abroad right now.

If I understand this correctly the distance between the eyes and the lenses are still the same, right?

So how do this improves the field of view?

Were the parts you removed, blocking your line of vision to the lenses in any way?

[Air_Combat_Group]

  N/a

Edited April 10, 2023 by Air_Combat_Group

[ACG_Orb]

I'm a long time Reverb G1 & G2 owner. However, after ANOTHER cable failure (number 6 or 7 across both headsets), I'm considering binning it off and switching to a different manufacturer. I've had enough.

 

 

 

I really don't fancy the Pico or quest. Was wondering if anyone has moved from the G2 to Vive pro 2? Is it worth the cash, how does it measure up on visuals and audio?

[chiliwili69]

Wow! 6-7 cable failure!

I have been near 5 4 years with Index and zero failures.

 

Here you are my views of the VivePro2:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/72532-my-final-verdict-vivepro2-vs-index/

 

Some other views:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/72232-comparison-vive-pro-2-vs-reverb-g2/

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/279745-my-review-on-vive-pro2-vs-valve-index-hp-reverb-g2/

 

It is difficult to decide currently what VR headset is best.

I don´t know the budget you are thinking but seriously, you could try the Pico4.

Edited April 11, 2023 by chiliwili69

[ACG_Orb]

22 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

Wow! 6-7 cable failure!

I have been near 5 years with Index and zero failures.

 

Here you are my views of the VivePro2:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/72532-my-final-verdict-vivepro2-vs-index/

 

Some other views:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/72232-comparison-vive-pro-2-vs-reverb-g2/

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/279745-my-review-on-vive-pro2-vs-valve-index-hp-reverb-g2/

 

It is difficult to decide currently what VR headset is best.

I don´t know the budget you are thinking but seriously, you could try the Pico4.

Yeah, it's f'ing ridiculous.  I get a fail every 6-7 months.... I like the headset but it's so unreliable. Can't fault the HP support in the UK though, they've always sent a replacement cable pretty quickly.

 

The Odyssey+ I used before was bombproof.

 

I'd rather not drop over 1k on headset and base stations if there's a cheaper option - with comparable performance to the G2. Doesn't the Pico struggle without display port cable? 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, ACG_Orb said:

Yeah, it's f'ing ridiculous.  I get a fail every 6-7 months.... I like the headset but it's so unreliable. Can't fault the HP support in the UK though, they've always sent a replacement cable pretty quickly.

 

The Odyssey+ I used before was bombproof.

 

I'd rather not drop over 1k on headset and base stations if there's a cheaper option - with comparable performance to the G2. Doesn't the Pico struggle without display port cable? 

I'm impressed with the Pico 4's WiFi performance. I'm running on an RTX4090 with i9 13900k and get a solid and smooth 60fps with Godlike mode in Virtual Desktop, game cranked pretty much to max details.

[dburne]

There is also Vive's new XR Elite. No base stations required.

https://www.vive.com/us/product/vive-xr-elite/overview/?wpsrc=Google AdWords&wpcid=19338590831&wpsnetn=g&wpkwn=vive xr elite&wpkmatch=e&wpcrid=642816295383&wpscid=147263274120&wpkwid=aud-1417866342148:kwd-1955953173074&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4aGJzsCg_gIV6QezAB35Bgh3EAAYASAAEgI5D_D_BwE

 

Vive Pro 2 is a very good headset also, however it does require the base stations.

Edited April 10, 2023 by dburne

[DBCOOPER011]

7 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

Wow! 6-7 cable failure!

I have been near 5 years with Index and zero failures.

 

 

 

I bought my Reverb G2 V1 used over 2 years ago and never had this cord fail, guess I'm lucky. I did however had one cord fail on my Index a couple years ago, valve sent out a new cord and I haven't had a problem since. Also, bought the Pico 4 a month or two ago. It's a really good headset and use it a lot of my non-sim games, but I usually go back to the G2 for IL2 and MSFS2020 for some reason...

[simfan2015]

10 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

I'm impressed with the Pico 4's WiFi performance. I'm running on an RTX4090 with i9 13900k and get a solid and smooth 60fps with Godlike mode in Virtual Desktop, game cranked pretty much to max details.

Believe it or not, but if you refer to IL-2 GB then I get exactly the same smooth performance / 60 FPS with those (ultra/Godlike) settings but with a i7-12700K OC / RTX 3070 OC / DDR 5 32 GB RAM.

I would expect with 13900K + 4090 you would easily (!) get to (PICO 4 maximum) ... (+) 90 FPS, surely not only 60 !!!???

Did you somehow limit that FPS like with ASW ?

9 hours ago, dburne said:

There is also Vive's new XR Elite.

dburne I read/saw some 'awfull' reviews of that new headset.

Does not seem to be that great, but it does hqve benefits.

Although I would even think that ... my cheap PICO 4 is the better deal !!!??? 

Edited April 11, 2023 by simfan2015

[Guest]

I have no idea why it's now capping at 60fps, other than it started only after I enabled 90hz (I changed nothing else). When it was set at 75hz I was getting a solid 71fps (why 71 I don't know either).

All this software is janky though and none of it comes with any opportunity to "RTFM". Because there aren't manuals for any of it. I guess they assume telepathy allows one to know that Virtual Desktop and Streaming Assistant are separate programs that can't be run together. Well, they can, if trashing the PC is the object of the exercise. Lol.

Small wonder VR remains a niche product.

[simfan2015]

12 minutes ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

When it was set at 75hz I was getting a solid 71fps (why 71 I don't know either).

BTW it is 72 Hz, not 75.

71 is normal and I get that too in games like HL : Alyx (Godlike, Ultra settints too).

The 90 Hz may reduce performance, but AFAIK never cap FPS at 60 !?

People here with an RTX 4090 GPU may give you a better idea (than I can) regarding what FPS you may get at 90 Hz with IL-2 GB in VR PICO 4 HMD.

[ACG_Orb]

15 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

I'm impressed with the Pico 4's WiFi performance. I'm running on an RTX4090 with i9 13900k and get a solid and smooth 60fps with Godlike mode in Virtual Desktop, game cranked pretty much to max details.

The Pico4 has piqued my interest.  Ive seen a few places that you really need a 40xx card to run it well.  I have a 3080ti and i cant really afford an upgrade at the moment - is this useable or possible world of hurt?

Is it locked to wifi or can you tether with a cable?

[simfan2015]

10 minutes ago, ACG_Orb said:

I have a 3080ti

I can assure you ... your framerate will only be capped at the max hz of the PICO 4 being 90.

IMHO You have more than enough power to run any game in VR that I know of, even DCS nowadays !

IL-2 GB no problem whatsoever.

A 4090 will even be better of course, but most games should be butter-smooth in VR, even with your 3080 Ti.

Believe it or nor but even my RTX 3070 OC is fine for VR (in most of the games I run anyway).  

10 minutes ago, ACG_Orb said:

Is it locked to wifi or can you tether with a cable?

Both, but for WIFI you will need Wifi 5 866 Mbps -or- Wifi 6 1200 Mbps.

I have Wifi 5, but that is more than enough (for me anyway).

I mostly run it with a cable:thethered though because then the PICO 4 battery is being charged and in PICO 4 Power Boost mode (and virtual desktop) the PICO 4 visuals are even more smooth.

 

Edited April 11, 2023 by simfan2015

[Guest]

7 hours ago, ACG_Orb said:

The Pico4 has piqued my interest.  Ive seen a few places that you really need a 40xx card to run it well.  I have a 3080ti and i cant really afford an upgrade at the moment - is this useable or possible world of hurt?

Is it locked to wifi or can you tether with a cable?

It runs well with my slower rig (i5 8600k and RTX3080ti).

Virtual Desktop, WiFi only.
Pico streaming Assistant, WiFi and USB cable also possible.

For the best WiFi performance the router must be at 5ghz and in line of sight to the headset (5ghz is a weaker signal than 2.5ghz but has greater bandwidth).