Going from 3090 to 4090.

[adonys]

I'm thinking about upgrading to this new big boy

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/Titan-GT77-HX-13VX

[chiliwili69]

If it has to be a laptop definetely is the best gaming laptop you can buy now for 6000€!

 

But if doesnt need to be a laptop you can have a Desktop PC with even better performance for half of that price.

 

If you finally got it, please let us know how it perform with the SYN_VAnder test

[TCW_DirtyMike0330]

On 1/23/2023 at 6:07 PM, Paul_RSXK said:

Indeed. I have a 3080 running at 75% in open composite. All in game settings on ultra. NIS upscaling and motion reprojection on. Using a reverb G2. Interior cockpit is razor sharp.

I get a rock steady 45 FPS in all but the most demanding dogfights. Very happy with that performance. In terms of speed in milliseconds I think I'm hitting the 60-70FPS mark, but 45FPS is great in terms of smoothness. get the occasional ghosting when planes fly past at high speed but TBH its barely noticeable.

I've never enjoyed flight-siming so much.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

 

 

I am slightly confused as to why you need to use MR and all that render reduction. I have a 3090/5800x3D and get an absolutely steady 90fps with high settings on the most popular multiplayer servers (Combat Box, WoL, Finnish). I use OpenXR (no tweaking, just to bypass SteamVR) MSAA off and Shadows Medium, everything else High+.  

 

Is it strictly MSAA here that is the problem? I would think the 3080 wouldn't be too far off from the 3090 that you would have to do all that tinkering? Again, I keep MSAA off, and I guess I sacrifice some shimmering to maintain 90fps. 

 

I'll have to turn on MSAA at some point and see how much it improves the long distance shimmering. I have a 4090 on the way as well and will hopefully be able to reproduce the 90 fps with MSAA on, if it is definitely worth having on. 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Supposedly NVIDIA is due for a second batch release of 4090's near this quarter.

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-4090-stock-2023

 

Ain't paying no scalper for seconds.

 

[[CPT]Crunch]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BG959RCF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1&tag=igndeals14-20&ascsubtag=02stSYZKtuhKPFUY9eECG9R#customerReviews

 

MSI store actually has a few at base price if anyone else wants to grab one, rarity to see this.

[dburne]

15 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BG959RCF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1&tag=igndeals14-20&ascsubtag=02stSYZKtuhKPFUY9eECG9R#customerReviews

 

MSI store actually has a few at base price if anyone else wants to grab one, rarity to see this.

 

That was the card I intitially wanted, alas it was the Gigabyte that first became available for me at MSRP so I had to grab it while I could. Still glad I did though as it has been a great card for me.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Yeah, it's tough to find one, the 4080's sales are anemic, they need a price adjustment or NVIDIA may continue to keep the 4090's in short supply to push its sales on us.  Even the scalpers are being burnt, they thought they were going to do the same with 4080's as they did the 4090's.  Reports that EBay has difficulty dumping 4080's and very few are being sold. 

Not enough bang for your buck when compared to a 4090, and the upper 30 series are not that far behind also being a much better value when its bang for the buck.  30% performance gap but only a 25% dollar cut, if you can find a 4090 at base price it's worth it.

Edited February 23, 2023 by [CPT]Crunch

[javelina]

7 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BG959RCF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1&tag=igndeals14-20&ascsubtag=02stSYZKtuhKPFUY9eECG9R#customerReviews

 

MSI store actually has a few at base price if anyone else wants to grab one, rarity to see this.

this was the card I bought about 4 weeks ago.  it's been great, and I'm very happy with stepping up to a 4090.  IL-2, MSFS, and DCS, all rock'n!  Grab it if you're looking for a 4090. 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Yup, ordered one just before posting, bad part is it's a full month plus wait till they ship it, unless you want to buy the exact same card from the MSI store jacked up another 800 big ones.  I'll wait patiently for April.

[Voyager]

I've found the Now In Stock stock tracker to be pretty solid for finding cards at retail price: 

 

NVIDIA RTX 4090 Series In Stock Tracker - NowInStock.net
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/rtx4090/

 

Me, I got the MSI Liquid Supreme, got it installed and Windows 11 all set up, and have had almost no time to actually play it ?

 

Seems to run great though. 

[RedRider]

Newegg has the Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC in stock at MSRP. I grabbed one after Best Buy online sold me one they never had in stock. Just a heads up if you are looking for one, I've read the Gaming OC is the best alternative to the unobtanium founders edition. Oh, and @#$% scalpers, I'll never pay over MSRP!!!

[simfan2015]

@RedRider. It is quite obvious that you are not living in Europe where people are 'scalped' each and every day by their government, shops and whatever other trickery. If we have to wait for MSRP then... we'll be long dead. 

[kissTheSky]

I would also recommend checking Microcenter website if you have one close. They get their stock replenished regularly, and have quite the selection. You have to buy the 4090 in person, but if you’re in the market for a 4080, you can “reserve” one and pick it up in three days.

 

Nowadays, I only order online if they don’t have it, or, whatever I need is considerably cheaper elsewhere. 
 

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh

 

 

[RedRider]

2 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

@RedRider. It is quite obvious that you are not living in Europe where people are 'scalped' each and every day by their government, shops and whatever other trickery. If we have to wait for MSRP then... we'll be long dead. 

Oh, yeah, I don't envy you guys. The VAT alone is reason enough for me to not live there, let alone the rest of your taxes. I recently moved where there's NO sales tax! Once you experience the absence of sales tax, you're ruined for life.

[[CPT]Crunch]

4090 Card ordered on 23 Feb, shipped today in the UPS system with scheduled arrival the 9th, so the wait time posted at Amazon is far less than half.  Probably do that to discourage scalpers and multiple orders.  Not bad, two weeks time as compared to the seven weeks they originally said.  You have to look at the other sellers options, they're listed at base price directly under the Amazon store, but they're still coming out of the MSI shop if you click the back link once you put in the basket.  So they are making them available at retail for us who game, but not making it so public.

[BazzaLB]

I just upgraded from a 3080 to a 4090 (11900k). Made sure it was running pci-e 4.0. Runs great in everything I try and is a great upgrade from 3080. However....

 

I find that I still get frame drops into the high 70s whenever flying over large towns on Normandy maps. High 70s may sound OK, but if my frame rate drops below 90, I notice stuttering which I hate. It seems buildings really kill performance.

 

Any tips on tuning performance for city details?

 

I am running 2x landscape, High Settings. Not much changes the frame drop over cities tbh.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, BazzaLB said:

I just upgraded from a 3080 to a 4090 (11900k). Made sure it was running pci-e 4.0. Runs great in everything I try and is a great upgrade from 3080. However....

 

I find that I still get frame drops into the high 70s whenever flying over large towns on Normandy maps. High 70s may sound OK, but if my frame rate drops below 90, I notice stuttering which I hate. It seems buildings really kill performance.

 

Any tips on tuning performance for city details?

 

I am running 2x landscape, High Settings. Not much changes the frame drop over cities tbh.

The only issue I've noticed is since my RAM decided it needed to be run at default speed (down from 6500mhz to 3800mhz), I get the very occasional micro-freeze. So maybe that...your RAM speed.

I think it was a BIOS glitch but as the micro-freezes are so rare I've not bothered to re-clock it. I don't see less than 87fps with my 4090 on the Pico4 and that's with everything that counts maxed out in the game. The rez on the steamVR slider is at 250%, running Godlike in Virtual Desktop. 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Hetzer-JG51

[chiliwili69]

6 hours ago, BazzaLB said:

I find that I still get frame drops into the high 70s whenever flying over large towns on Normandy maps. High 70s may sound OK, but if my frame rate drops below 90, I notice stuttering which I hate. It seems buildings really kill performance

 

Those drops below 90 fps are caused by your CPU being the bottleneck.

You will easily check that using fpsVR while you are playing.

 

Dense scenarios like cities or dense airfields or many planes cause the CPU to be the bottleneck.

The CPU has to draw the scene for all those objects and for each eye, so it is a not a GPU problem.

 

To solve that you can do two things:

 

1.- reduce settings which unload the CPU (mirrows, shadows, and the presets)

 

2.- change the CPU+mobo. The 13th gen of intel will improve that.

[BazzaLB]

8 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

The only issue I've noticed is since my RAM decided it needed to be run at default speed (down from 6500mhz to 3800mhz), I get the very occasional micro-freeze. So maybe that...your RAM speed.

I think it was a BIOS glitch but as the micro-freezes are so rare I've not bothered to re-clock it. I don't see less than 87fps with my 4090 on the Pico4 and that's with everything that counts maxed out in the game. The rez on the steamVR slider is at 250%, running Godlike in Virtual Desktop. 

 

Thanks for the tip. I set my memory to XMP (probably got reset when I had to flash my bios to enable PCI 4.0 for 4090).

 

3 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Those drops below 90 fps are caused by your CPU being the bottleneck.

You will easily check that using fpsVR while you are playing.

 

Dense scenarios like cities or dense airfields or many planes cause the CPU to be the bottleneck.

The CPU has to draw the scene for all those objects and for each eye, so it is a not a GPU problem.

 

To solve that you can do two things:

 

1.- reduce settings which unload the CPU (mirrows, shadows, and the presets)

 

2.- change the CPU+mobo. The 13th gen of intel will improve that.

 

I turned off mirrors, Set Shadows to low, turned off Distant buildings. Everything else is on high with 100km horizon and 3x Landscape. Now runs absolutely rock solid 90fps. Can't tell much difference with Distant Buildings off tbh. Happy chappy again.

 

Cheers