Them Nice Colors ... Boring?

[jollyjack]

For a change playing IL2 in black and white can give you that old time feel ...

 

 

Just set your Windows PC to black and white here:

 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

Black and white is historically accurate, everyone knows color wasn't invented until the 1950s.

Edited January 11, 2023 by [CPT]milopugdog
grammar

[Yogiflight]

But you know the pilots did see colors, it is just the footage, which is black and white?

[Gambit21]

Ummm…yeah I remember my grandfather who jumped with the 82nd talking about the challenges of D-Day with grainy vision and no color. 
 

[unlikely_spider]

12 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

But you know the pilots did see colors, it is just the footage, which is black and white?

I'm not sure that's true, at least until Chuck Yeager's first color flight in 1947.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Colour photography experimentally started in the 19th Century. In the 1930s it became available for amateur phtographers, but it didn't become popular until the 1940s or 1950s.

 

Colour motion pictures started experimentally since the early days of cinema (early 20th Century), but a truly practical film in colour wasn't released, in my opinion, until the 1930s with films like Disney's "Flowers and Trees" (1932) and "The Three Little Pigs" (1933), or length feature films like "Gone with the Wind" or "The Wizard of Oz" (both released in Technicolor in 1939).

 

We have colour film documentaries shot in the very middle of air combat situations like "Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress" (shot in 1943 over Germany, released in 1944) and "Thunderbolt" (shot in 1944 in Italy, released in 1947). Both films were directed by William Wyler and both were in full colour.

 

 

[Jaws2002]

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Ummm…yeah I remember my grandfather who jumped with the 82nd talking about the challenges of D-Day with grainy vision and no color. 
 

 

Makes it even more impressive doesn't it?

 

 

50 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

Well, I don't think anyone is being serious here

 

I do think it'd be fun to run the sim in black and white... maybe pretend I'm the pilot from Casablanca etc.

[Yogiflight]

It remembers me how the sun looks in game. This star you see on photos or in movies. I would prefer to see it in game the way I see it when I look out of the window or (yes it sometimes happens) I go outside into fresh air.

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

16 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

It remembers me how the sun looks in game. This star you see on photos or in movies. I would prefer to see it in game the way I see it when I look out of the window or (yes it sometimes happens) I go outside into fresh air.

 

Maybe it looks different IRL because you stare at it too much?

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Yogiflight said:

It remembers me how the sun looks in game. This star you see on photos or in movies. I would prefer to see it in game the way I see it when I look out of the window or (yes it sometimes happens) I go outside into fresh air.

 

That is actually a good point:

 

The propeller animations are how it would appear on camera, not how it would appear to the human eye.

 

So, why not make the game how it would appear to a black-and-white camera? Logically, we should. What we currently have is a compromise! Is this a hardcore sim or not?  Either what the human eye would see only or replication of a 1940s era camera! Nothing in between... ?

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Colour photography experimentally started in the 19th Century. In the 1930s it became available for amateur phtographers, but it didn't become popular until the 1940s or 1950s.

 

Colour motion pictures started experimentally since the early days of cinema (early 20th Century), but a truly practical film in colour wasn't released, in my opinion, until the 1930s with films like Disney's "Flowers and Trees" (1932) and "The Three Little Pigs" (1933), or length feature films like "Gone with the Wind" or "The Wizard of Oz" (both released in Technicolor in 1939).

 

We have colour film documentaries shot in the very middle of air combat situations like "Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress" (shot in 1943 over Germany, released in 1944) and "Thunderbolt" (shot in 1944 in Italy, released in 1947). Both films were directed by William Wyler and both were in full colour.

 

Thank you, ChatGPT. ?

Edited January 4, 2023 by LukeFF

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Spotting aircraft is better in B&W 

[AndyJWest]

To be historically accurate, WW1 needs to be played with no sound except some guy on a slightly out-of-tune piano.

[Noisemaker]

25 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

To be historically accurate, WW1 needs to be played with no sound except some guy on a slightly out-of-tune piano.

And at 1.5x speed.

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Jollyjack simply said "For a change", he wasn't giving orders on how the game has to be played. Thank you for the info Jollyjack, I didn't know I could play the game in black & white. I'll give it I try some day, for the fun.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by 343KKT_Kintaro
plaid -> played

[[CPT]Crunch]

If you ever see WWII US Navy combat footage, including gun cams, and it's in black and white, it's been converted from color.  The Navy was the one branch that used all colored film to document everything.

[Knarley-Bob]

Back in my "Opie Taylor" days, I remember black and white............

[deathmisser]

On 1/3/2023 at 7:34 PM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

We have colour film documentaries shot in the very middle of air combat situations like "Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress" (shot in 1943 over Germany, released in 1944) and "Thunderbolt" (shot in 1944 in Italy, released in 1947). Both films were directed by William Wyler and both were in full colour.

Omg witchcraft ! 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Easy deathmisser, I was responding to the previous post... but simply hadn't noticed that unlikely_spider was joking...

[Gambit21]

This is about the silliest thread ever...and that's saying something.

 

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Gambit21, I do read the OP (original post) and it simply does mention, and quite seriously indeed, one feature in the game. Nothing more, nothing less. Reading the subsequent posts gives the impression that everybody here is making fun of Jollyjack, for whom we should show some respect because, ye know, he is a forum colleague... isn't he?

 

 

[DD_Crash]

This discussion reminds me of this

 

[FlyingNutcase]

13 hours ago, DD_Crash said:

This discussion reminds me of this

 

Oh FFS God bless mother England Had me in tears.

[Irishratticus72]

Well boys, I tell you this, fighting in black and white made the Civil War a whole lot easier.

[Mysticpuma]

Jennifer Lawrence invented Colour viewing just shortly after WW2 ?

[von_Tom]

Credit to the greatest cartoonist ever, Bill Watterson (woo-hooo that could start a thread of its own). 
 

von Tom

[Old49r]

On 1/3/2023 at 11:34 AM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Colour photography experimentally started in the 19th Century. In the 1930s it became available for amateur phtographers, but it didn't become popular until the 1940s or 1950s.

 

Colour motion pictures started experimentally since the early days of cinema (early 20th Century), but a truly practical film in colour wasn't released, in my opinion, until the 1930s with films like Disney's "Flowers and Trees" (1932) and "The Three Little Pigs" (1933), or length feature films like "Gone with the Wind" or "The Wizard of Oz" (both released in Technicolor in 1939).

 

We have colour film documentaries shot in the very middle of air combat situations like "Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress" (shot in 1943 over Germany, released in 1944) and "Thunderbolt" (shot in 1944 in Italy, released in 1947). Both films were directed by William Wyler and both were in full colour.

 

 

My Dad, a P-38 pilot in PTO took many color photo's (he mailed home asking his mom to get Kodachrome and send to him all the time in 1944-1946). So color "movies" were certainly available. B&W is the typical WWII footage. Cost and lack of available color film labs was the issue and primary reason for B&W photography at that time. Regardless ..... Not sure I'd like B&W in IL-2 GB, would be even more difficult to see the enemy, Right?? 

Some people don't know how to use a dial phone these days so if someone doesn't know when color film was first used that's understandable. Making fun of someone because of such things is certainly disrespectful. And yes the thread is easy to joke about.  If Jollyjack was kidding that's a whole other thing, but doesn't look like that to me.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Old49r

[343KKT_Kintaro]

48 minutes ago, Old49r said:

Making fun of someone because of such things is certainly disrespectful. And yes the thread is easy to joke about.  If Jollyjack was kidding that's a whole other thing, but doesn't look like that to me.

 

 

I hope you correctly understood that I wasn't making fun of Jollyjack (please read my last post here on this thread). On the contrary, by means of the post you quoted, I was seriously responding to the immediately previous post... thinking that the guy was serious... but he was joking!

 

 

[Jaegermeister]

2 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

On the contrary, by means of the post you quoted, I was seriously responding to the immediately previous post... thinking that the guy was serious... but he was joking!

 

It is hard to tell if jolly old jack is kidding sometimes. His droll sense of humor can be misleading. I believe the working theory is that if you have to explain your jokes, they aren’t amusing any more.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

5 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

It is hard to tell if jolly old jack is kidding sometimes. His droll sense of humor can be misleading. I believe the working theory is that if you have to explain your jokes, they aren’t amusing any more.

 

 

As I said, by means of this post of mine I was responding to the immediately previous post, a post by user "unlikely_spider". Cheers!

 

 

[jollyjack]

[Blitzen]

It's obvious,isn't it? Every old guy knew it long ago because we lived in the black & white world before color was invented!

[343KKT_Kintaro]

26 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

It's obvious,isn't it? Every old guy knew it long ago because we lived in the black & white world before color was invented!

 

 

Already posted (by von_Tom, see above). Different format though... but funny cartoon nevertheless, thx von_Tom & Blitzen.