Key binding (P51 D oil radiator)

[CIA_Matabo]

Where is the open, close option for the P51 D? I want to use my keyboard to manually open and close the oil radiator. I see one that will work with a hat switch, but I want to use my keyboard for this option. I have found the one for the water but not for the oil. Mapping key binds is hard when you can't find the option.

 

Thanks in advance

 

CIA_Metabo

[LukeFF]

Not to change the subject, but there's no real need to adjust the oil radiators in the P-51. It's all managed automatically.

[RyanR]

It's under engine controls. You also need to bind a key to "turn off" the automatic control.

 

As mentioned by Luke, there's not really a need to do this. No performance gain to bed had with manual ops.

 

-Ryan

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

I've never force-opened rads on auto rads aircrafts like the late 109s or the Mustang for instance. 

 

I assume it managed in an optimal manner for cooling/performances balance so I dont see the need. 

 

Do you use manual prop pitch for the 109 even when airborne? Asking for a friend.

[Gambit21]

If you want to eek out max performance then you’ll use manual prop pitch. In most cases though leaving it auto is fine.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

I've never force-opened rads on auto rads aircrafts like the late 109s or the Mustang for instance. 

 

I assume it managed in an optimal manner for cooling/performances balance so I dont see the need. 

 

Do you use manual prop pitch for the 109 even when airborne? Asking for a friend.

ok on 109s, but on 51 your hurting your self if you leve water rads at auto, they will offten close mutch more then best position for drag that is around 37%. So your flying slower then yu should as auto will see your engine is cool and close it beyond 37%, and 51 rads are good so you offten dont even need to move then from 37% when you set them manualy. Auto on airplanes that have 0% best drag position and 100% worst is ok, your gaining little by doing it manualy, but auto where best position is not 0% is just hurting your speed offten.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

3 hours ago, CountZero said:

ok on 109s, but on 51 your hurting your self if you leve water rads at auto, they will offten close mutch more then best position for drag that is around 37%. So your flying slower then yu should as auto will see your engine is cool and close it beyond 37%, and 51 rads are good so you offten dont even need to move then from 37% when you set them manualy. Auto on airplanes that have 0% best drag position and 100% worst is ok, your gaining little by doing it manualy, but auto where best position is not 0% is just hurting your speed offten.

 

So you're saying that the P-51's meredith effect is at its best at rad 37% but the auto setting in the sim has it more closed than this to stop cooling the prestone so you lose some thrust from the rad therefore a little bit of speed?

Edited January 4, 2023 by I./JG52_Woutwocampe

[CountZero]

17 minutes ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

So you're saying that the P-51's meredith effect is at its best at rad 37% but the auto setting in the sim has it more closed than this to stop cooling the prestone so you lose some thrust from the rad therefore a little bit of speed?

best water rad position in P-51 for sped is at 37%.

auto rads do not know that they will keep them low or even at 0% when engine is cool, so your slower using auto rads then manualy set then at 37% and dont tuch them untill you need to.

I ask devs if this is correct and why auto dont use this best position and he say this is correct how it works and auto is never build in real airplane to know what best position is.

so in case of 109 you have no benefits, but in case of 51 you have benefit of manualy using water rads.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

7 minutes ago, CountZero said:

best water rad position in P-51 for sped is at 37%.

auto rads do not know that they will keep them low or even at 0% when engine is cool, so your slower using auto rads then manualy set then at 37% and dont tuch them untill you need to.

I ask devs if this is correct and why auto dont use this best position and he say this is correct how it works and auto is never build in real airplane to know what best position is.

so in case of 109 you have no benefits, but in case of 51 you have benefit of manualy using water rads.

 

Ok, historically speaking, I would then assume all P-51 pilots removed the auto rad to control it manually. Is it a known fact?

[CountZero]

5 minutes ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

Ok, historically speaking, I would then assume all P-51 pilots removed the auto rad to control it manually. Is it a known fact?

didnt found any mention of it... i just know its game thing thats what its important to me, how can this airplane in game be faster... and i can see that in game if i set water radiators to 37% im 5-10kmh faster. We have engine timers, i highly doubt this game is build to represent what real pilots did to their airplanes. I just check airplanes so i know how to be faster in game.

[Dragon1-1]

5 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

Do you use manual prop pitch for the 109 even when airborne? Asking for a friend.

Some really skilled pilots use it on the G-2 to make it a little less slow to accelerate. If you're not really skilled, it's a good way to break the engine. I do set the pitch to 12 o'clock on the ground for taxiing, but I reenable the governor before takeoff.

[RossMarBow]

On 1/3/2023 at 12:27 AM, CIA_Metabo said:

Where is the open, close option for the P51 D? I want to use my keyboard to manually open and close the oil radiator. I see one that will work with a hat switch, but I want to use my keyboard for this option. I have found the one for the water but not for the oil. Mapping key binds is hard when you can't find the option.

 

Thanks in advance

 

CIA_Metabo

None seems to have answered your question.
I bound both and didn't have any issues that I could remember is it not straight below the water binding?
 

[357th_KW]

On 1/2/2023 at 3:27 AM, CIA_Metabo said:

Where is the open, close option for the P51 D? I want to use my keyboard to manually open and close the oil radiator. I see one that will work with a hat switch, but I want to use my keyboard for this option. I have found the one for the water but not for the oil. Mapping key binds is hard when you can't find the option.

 

Thanks in advance

 

CIA_Metabo

 

The mapping you are looking for is under engine controls, called "Oil Radiators Shutter Control Axis" - this can be used with an axis or with two buttons, or a hat switch etc.  In order to use it on the P-51, you also need to map the next one down on the list, "Switch Oil Radiators Control Mode: Manual/Auto".  The default position is auto, and the control axis doesn't do anything until you switch it into manual mode.

 

As far as using it that way - I lean towards keeping it in auto.  I'd rather spend that extra bit of mental energy on visual scanning etc.  It does buy you a few extra mph in a tail chase (at least until your oil overheats), so that's occasionally worth it I guess.  But the 51 is so fast, you rarely need it IMO.  I've probably used it more often to open it up completely to try and limp home a damaged aircraft.

[Dragon1-1]

I don't think it's an axis, the control in question is a switch on the real P-51, and I think it uses the open and close options. If they don't respond, it's because they're set to auto.