"Taxi to Runway" bug in BoN still isn't fixed???

[RyanR]

 

 

When BoN was finally released, I started it up.... on the Runway in my P-47.... and I hear "Taxi to Runway" I take off, and my squadron just taxis in circles. I sent in the bug report. With BoN hopelessly buggy on its release, I put BoN on the shelf. I figured if I re-flew BoS, BoM, and BoK, by the time I got back to BoN, surely the bugs would be worked out. Welp, after relearning the key bindings and functions of the P-47 and some practice runs, it's career mode! First mission in BoN in forever.... sitting on the runway in my P-47..... and.... "taxi to runway", and everyone taxis around in circles. For real?

 

Why is BoN still buggered up? BoN was "the big thing" for ages.... and it's still broke months after release! Has anything else been fixed? Do I just skip to BoBP? How are we going to beat DCS if IL-2 remains broke?

 

Yes. I'm writing this in a moment of frustration.... but I have a hard time seeing how this is acceptable.

 

-Ryan

 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm curious what scenario has you taxiing to the runway? Standard career mode starts you on the runway, lined up, and ready to go.

[RyanR]

2 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I'm curious what scenario has you taxiing to the runway? Standard career mode starts you on the runway, lined up, and ready to go.

 

EXACTLY!

 

The bug works like this: We're all on the runway. Rather than "cleared for take off".... I hear "taxi to the runway". Each AI plane then taxis from the front of the group *on the runway* and circles to the rear. After all eight planes do this, they finally take off. Meanwhile, the B-26's we're supposed to escort are many miles away.

 

If I recall, not all airfields have this bug. Some do, some don't. I'd seen it with both RAF and USAAF bases, not with Luftwaffe. This was reported on the day BoN was released. 4-5 months ago? Others chimed in with similar problems. I thought the devs said it was fixed in an update. Nope. Same with disappearing Technochat. Fixed on paper, but not in the game.

 

I'm posting here in General Discussion because this thread is more about how ridiculous this problem is (and other issues plaguing IL-2) more than the specifics of the bugs themselves. 

 

-Ryan

[migmadmarine]

Check if there is a jeep or something very close to the edge of the runway you're flying out of. Can think of at least two other cases of airfields generating vehicles close enough that they are disrupting the takeoff AI. What airfield(s) have you had this happen at? 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

14 hours ago, RyanR said:

I'm posting here in General Discussion because this thread is more about how ridiculous this problem is (and other issues plaguing IL-2) more than the specifics of the bugs themselves. 

IMHO, after 25 plus years of being a flight sim fan, generally speaking the "generally this is ridiculous" threads get lost in a sea of arguments, counter arguments, and airing of everyone's pet peeves and grievances. It'll stop being about anything in particular and nothing will happen.

 

You've got a specific issue here which calls for specific testing and bug reporting. If specific airbases can be identified by us then we can submit them to the devs for fixing. To date, I have not run into this issue but if I do I'll happily add to the list.

[Jade_Monkey]

BON just launched, so relax. Submit a track or mission file so they can troubleshoot it because it might just be a specific airfield or scenario that is broken and these things are not easy to catch.

 

"How are we going to beat DCS if IL-2 remains broke?"

 

Beat them at what? They don't even have a campaign and they have been "making progress" for years on the dynamic campaign with no results to be seen, just like every module that they release.

[RyanR]

On 12/31/2022 at 11:26 AM, Jade_Monkey said:

BON just launched, so relax. Submit a track or mission file so they can troubleshoot it because it might just be a specific airfield or scenario that is broken and these things are not easy to catch.

 

"How are we going to beat DCS if IL-2 remains broke?"

 

Beat them at what? They don't even have a campaign and they have been "making progress" for years on the dynamic campaign with no results to be seen, just like every module that they release.

 

 

Ohhhhhh...... Really, I'm just being a jerk in this thread. A proper bug report had been in with lots of details. The DCS comment was a tongue in cheek gouge at the "Modernize IL-2" posts here on the forum.

 

I migrated over to the PWCG. That takes all the single-player gripes one might have, turns them upside down, and then throws them out the window. Then I felt like a schmuck for starting this thread, because it all becomes obvious that the community and the sim really are first rate.

 

-Ryan

Edited January 4, 2023 by RyanR

[Jaegermeister]

On 12/30/2022 at 10:30 PM, migmadmarine said:

Check if there is a jeep or something very close to the edge of the runway you're flying out of. Can think of at least two other cases of airfields generating vehicles close enough that they are disrupting the takeoff AI. What airfield(s) have you had this happen at? 

 

Fortunately, that particular issue was addressed before the last update.

 

On 12/30/2022 at 7:26 PM, RyanR said:

 

If I recall, not all airfields have this bug. Some do, some don't. I'd seen it with both RAF and USAAF bases, not with Luftwaffe. This was reported on the day BoN was released.

 

I'm posting here in General Discussion because this thread is more about how ridiculous this problem is (and other issues plaguing IL-2) more than the specifics of the bugs themselves. 

 

 

If you can recall what unit, date and airfield it wasz, the mission template can be adjusted. A track or _gen.mission file would probably do the trick.

 

[josephine]

This issue has happened to me as well with the exception that the leader after taxiing all the way to the back of the runway attempts to take off crashing into the planes still waiting on the runway in front of him.

 

This happened in one of the early days of the campaign (day 1-5) flying:

- Spitfire of 312 Squadron - happened soon after releasing BoN, never attempted again as these missions can't be completed without droptanks anyway

- P47 of one of the american squadrons between Hythe and Ashford - recent experience after the supposed fix

[Jaegermeister]

6 hours ago, josephine said:

This happened in one of the early days of the campaign (day 1-5) flying:

- Spitfire of 312 Squadron - happened soon after releasing BoN, never attempted again as these missions can't be completed without droptanks anyway

- P47 of one of the american squadrons between Hythe and Ashford - recent experience after the supposed fix

 

Many of these taxi path issues have been tested and corrected since BoN was released. The missions being too long and unable to complete has been corrected also.

 

I started a US P47 career with the 514th FBS squadron @ Ashford during "Preparation for the Invasion" and ran 3 missions. They all took off correctly and had no issues. That was the only group I saw that met your parameters. If it was a different group, airfield or time period, you would have to be specific. 

[josephine]

5 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

I started a US P47 career with the 514th FBS squadron @ Ashford during "Preparation for the Invasion" and ran 3 missions. They all took off correctly and had no issues. That was the only group I saw that met your parameters. If it was a different group, airfield or time period, you would have to be specific. 

 

22nd from Kingsnorth.

May 8: Arrival to the squadron

May 9: First mission is bomber escort, but they did not invite me in

May 9: Second mission (my first), V1-site. Positioned as number 2. Lead calls taxi to runway and starts the usual roundtrip. I follow him on the taxiway and that is the signal for the others to start taking off - the last one barely makes it before the lead rears into him.

 

In the other occasions where I am further back, the front rows do not move, so we are stuck on the runway waiting for the lead to get us from behind.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, josephine said:

22nd from Kingsnorth.

May 8: Arrival to the squadron

May 9: First mission is bomber escort, but they did not invite me in

May 9: Second mission (my first), V1-site. Positioned as number 2. Lead calls taxi to runway and starts the usual roundtrip. I follow him on the taxiway and that is the signal for the others to start taking off - the last one barely makes it before the lead rears into him.

 

In the other occasions where I am further back, the front rows do not move, so we are stuck on the runway waiting for the lead to get us from behind.

 

The next time this happens, attach the _gen.mission file here. It's in /data/missions.

Edited January 5, 2023 by LukeFF

[Knarley-Bob]

19 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

The next time this happens, attach the _gen.mission file here. It's in /data/missions.

Check "Flight leader taxi crash" in the 'Bug report" forum............

KB