With V6.00 seemingly forgotten about, this comment on the BoX Development Diary is intriguing?

[Mysticpuma]

With the lack of information coming from TFS, it's that time of year for speculating ?

 

So in today's Development Diary for BoX, they indicate that next year they will be moving forward with their new project, followed by this text. 

 

 

So just for the sake of having something to discuss, I wonder if this is the reason v6.00 is not being mentioned? 

 

Maybe TFS are just going to release everything they have created in one fell swoop? VR, Truesky, all the new assets created for v6.00 (but there will be no v6.00?).

Then, those team members looking for a new challenge, move on to BoX and the new horizons it intends to develop? 

 

With nothing to talk about, no news, no road map.... Could the next update from TFS be the final update ever? 

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

19 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

With the lack of information coming from TFS(…).

 

Maybe TFS are just going to release everything they have created in one fell swoop? VR, Truesky, all the new assets created for v6.00 (but there will be no v6.00?).

Then, those team members looking for a new challenge, move on to BoX and the new horizons it intends to develop? 

 

(…) Could the next update from TFS be the final update ever? 

These are for me the key points.

My take (extreme speculation):

 

-Tencent acquired 1CE (and CloD) and they have no interest in keeping development for CloD going (even if no costs involved and it‘s all on TFS).

 

-This split rules out any possibility whatsoever of TFS cooperating with GB while still working on CloD, or CloD’s engine being used in part etc. for future development of the il-2 series. This also lifts the gentlemen‘s agreement of them not dipping into each other‘s theaters.

 

-Talks with Tencent re the future of the „Dover Series“ (whenever and if they ever took place) didn‘t produce the desired result (that being TF6 released next year or 2024 and continued development beyond that).
Hence CloD‘s development will be stopped. Again.

 

-The visual update will be released when finished around mid 2023.

-About the rest, not too sure about what to speculate. Hopefully anything they’ve finished until the Visual Update gets released. And eve n better, they can continue working on it as a mod team (like TD, SAS etc.).

 

Glad to be proven wrong… but the silence here (and on GB forums for that matter) is deafening. Not a good sign.

[Dagwoodyt]

It could happen that the Visual Update never materializes even if the development forum database is ultimately recovered in useable state.?

[the_finkinator69]

1 hour ago, Mysticpuma said:

Maybe TFS are just going to release everything they have created in one fell swoop? VR, Truesky, all the new assets created for v6.00 (but there will be no v6.00?).

 

I believe they’ve already said from the get go that the plan was to release the entire visual update with VR, and not to release VR before the visual update. 
 

i do agree with others that there appears to be little interest in continuing either of these series. It sounds like GB may end up being modded the hell out 5yrs from now. I just hope *someone* takes a real swing at something fun. Or just 1946 remastered with VR lol. 

[Sokol1]

This.  

Edited December 29, 2022 by Sokol1

[343KKT_Kintaro]

There is no turning back: TFS had access to the code, this is done, and even if the right holders of the game stopped their relation with TFS as a business... the development of IL2CoD would continue anyway since the TFS guys would go back to being modders, same as they were before 2017, and they would continue what they started.  Yes, regardless of all these speculations in the present thread. We've reached a point where we know we'll get both the visual update and the new DLC. Unless there's a major technical problem (serious code issues, data loss)... we'll have both: the visual update (VR, TrueSKy, etc.) AND TF6.0.

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

2 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

With the lack of information coming from TFS, it's that time of year for speculating ?

 

So in today's Development Diary for BoX, they indicate that next year they will be moving forward with their new project, followed by this text. 

 

 

So just for the sake of having something to discuss, I wonder if this is the reason v6.00 is not being mentioned? 

 

Maybe TFS are just going to release everything they have created in one fell swoop? VR, Truesky, all the new assets created for v6.00 (but there will be no v6.00?).

Then, those team members looking for a new challenge, move on to BoX and the new horizons it intends to develop? 

 

With nothing to talk about, no news, no road map.... Could the next update from TFS be the final update ever? 

I think the TFS Note of October 26 needs to be reviewed as part of any basis for speculation.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[343KKT_Kintaro]

3 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I think the TFS Note of October 26 needs to be reviewed as part of any basis for speculation.

 

 

Didn't you mean "of October 27", Dagwoodyt?

 

 

[Enceladus828]

Team Fusion doesn't operate under the same roof as IL-2 GBs; therefore, they can't announce anything about TF 6.0 until 1C and now Fulqrum makes the Announcement of content. This is part of their contract and breaching it by announcing planes other than the Fw-190 to keep us in the loop could quite possibly end their contract meaning no Visual Update, no 6.0.

 

I blame Poutine for this.

 

Some notes from Buzzsaw: Team Fusion - Page 2 - General Discussion - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum (il2sturmovik.com)

Quote

Jason was my immediate liason/link with 1C.  We had an established system whereby we would prepare for announcements, etc.

 

In the spring of this year, Jason and I had planned to announce TF 6.0, and were preparing.  However, before that could happen, Jason made a decision to part company with 1C. 

As soon as he made his decision, that put the announcement in limbo.  There are also other factors in play regarding Fulqrum, their ownership and the relation with TF. 

 

At the moment, pending some decisions by Fulqrum, everything is on hold except the release of the Visual Update.  

 

[Dagwoodyt]

IDK whether the new owners actively sought rights to Blitz or merely accepted responsibility for interacting with TFS and Steam for Blitz'  "upkeep".

[Mysticpuma]

3 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

There is no turning back: TFS had access to the code, this is done, and even if the right holders of the game stopped their relation with TFS as a business... the development of IL2CoD would continue anyway since the TFS guys would go back to being modders, same as they were before 2017, and they would continue what they started.

That, I think is a very optimistic outlook. 

 

Before the Source Code became available, TFS, were as you say, modding the game. 

While some features could be worked on, lots were completely out of reach, locked deep away. 

 

The SC becoming available to TFS was a real blessing, allowing so much more development to take place, but, that comes with a caveat, TFS don't own the SC. 

 

So if 1C/Fulcrum/Tencent decide to close the doors, then the access to the SC goes. 

TFS can't just carry on because the access will be gone to so many features, they would effectively be back to 2017 and having to work out how to develop from history. Adding features would be a nightmare as they would not have access to see how new features would interact with other parts of the code. 

The only way that could happen is if they kept a copy of the code and that I am sure would be completely outside of the agreement and cause lots of legal issues, especially if it got out in the wild ?

 

Continuing on without access to the SC would be beyond demoralising. 

 

I honestly just think that if V6 is blocked and left in limbo, TFS will just decide to release everything they have made and that way they get out of the issue of waiting (in limbo), they can then add a few bug fixes following that final release and walk away...... orrrr become part of the new development plan that 1C have? 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

When you argue against someone's fantasy you are losing ?

[the_finkinator69]

We all just need something to look forward to. I started playing DCS warbirds, for example. Times are tough

[343KKT_Kintaro]

29 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

Continuing on without access to the SC would be beyond demoralising.

 

 

At the moment there's no reason to start thinking that TFS will lose the right of using the code. When '46's development was dropped, 1C granted access to the code to the modders. Daedalos is here to develop '46, they do it very well, end of story. If the collaboration between TFS and Fulqrum comes to an end because the latter drops the game's development, nobody at Fulqrum will be offended if Fulqrum lets TFS continues the development at no cost for Fulqrum... same as Daedalos takes care of '46 at no cost for 1C. The visual update had a cost but it's done at 99% so this is why I said that there's no turning back. Even if TF6.0 was abandoned, at least we'll get the visual update, that's the most likely outcome.

 

 

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

35 minutes ago, the_finkinator69 said:

We all just need something to look forward to. I started playing DCS warbirds, for example. Times are tough

 Racing sims for me, imagine that..

[Dagwoodyt]

So is Blitz a marquee acquisition or a "troubled" asset for which new owners have assumed responsibility?

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Asks the guy who never steps into "flights of fancy"...

[Dagwoodyt]

and no one recalls the TFS note of October 26 even though there are only three TFS Notes and several in this thread appear to have reacted to it ?

Edited December 29, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[343KKT_Kintaro]

4 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

and no one recalls the TFS note of October 26 even though there are only three TFS Notes and several in this thread appear to have reacted to it ?

 

 

There's no TFS note of October 26. If I copy-paste from the corresponding section in the forums, the three existing TFS notes are signed and dated as follows:

 

By Buzzsaw, October 27

By Buzzsaw, April 23, 2021

By Buzzsaw, August 15, 2020

 

I asked if you if you meant the note of October 27, if you had answered my question this could have given some logical continuity to this thread, at least in connection with its main topic... but rahter thant that, you prefered to warn Puma not to discuss with someone's fantasy... and after ignoring my question (which quoted you), you dare pretending that no one recalls the note... quite salty indeed...

 

 

[No.54_Reddog]

Access to the SC is strictly by the agreement made with 1C. We believe that agreement has followed the CLOD IP to Tencent but we don't know. Presuming that there would be no loss of access to the SC would follow any breakdown of the agreement or relationship with tencent would be naive IMO. Also presuming that TF could go back to "modding" aka breaking the EULA via hacking without the SC is extemely naive. There was one guy who could do that - and he's been somewhat conspicuous in his absence of late to say nothing of the fact that progress WITH the source code has been glacial, now imagine what it would be like using obfuscated code?

 

That we're discussing this on the GB forums owned by a company no longer involved is...odd.

 

That the defacto "CLOD Central" aka ATAG has gone bellyup due to as simple an issue as an update of php version is...odd.

 

That there's been no news is...odd.

 

Either something monumentally good is coming, or something monumentally bad. I don't see that there's much of a middle ground these days.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by No.54_Reddog

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

So is Blitz a marquee acquisition or a "troubled" asset for which new owners have assumed responsibility?

I personally think Tencent would see Cliffs as the latter...if they pulled the plug and gave TFS the code for a bargain bin price, maybe we'd finally have another community supported sim, although it sounds like GB will go that way too. 

[Dagwoodyt]

How difficult can it be to figure out that the notes of Oct. 26 and 27 are one and the same? ?

Edited December 30, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[Dagwoodyt]

3 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

I personally think Tencent would see Cliffs as the latter...if they pulled the plug and gave TFS the code for a bargain bin price, maybe we'd finally have another community supported sim, although it sounds like GB will go that way too. 

I have no idea what legal fees could be incurred in such a transaction nor whether a bank would be inclined to make a loan relative to the sale. Some entity is still making money with each Blitz/DW-T copy sold on Steam and they are not likely to give up that revenue stream for a song.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[343KKT_Kintaro]

16 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

How difficult can it be to figure out that the notes of Oct. 26 and 27 are one and the same?

 

 

My position stands: you are the one who ignored my post (you could have answered regardless, if only for the sake of the thread) and you are the one who still now keeps the tradition of talking about  my so pretended fantasy to others (off topic), not only in order to publicly denigrate me (more off topic), not only to influence others in order that in the future they act like you (more off topic), but also to avoid the main subject of the topic (redundantly more off topic) and, furthermore, to avoid to discuss the main substance of what I brought to the thread (super mega hyper off topic... as always so... why am I not surprised?).

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

Self victimized perhaps? ?

Edited December 30, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[343KKT_Kintaro]

24 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Self victimized perhaps? ?

 

 

Off topic.

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

Pedant: a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Pedant: a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.

 

 

Off topic.

 

 

[BladeMeister]

Something is not right, that is for sure or, IMHO, Buzzsaw would be commuting what is going on here on this Forum. It is what it is. Not much can be done except speculate, and that really does no good at all. Maybe no news is good news? Who knows.

 

S!Blade<><

[palker4]

16 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

There is no turning back: TFS had access to the code, this is done, and even if the right holders of the game stopped their relation with TFS as a business... the development of IL2CoD would continue anyway since the TFS guys would go back to being modders, same as they were before 2017, and they would continue what they started.  Yes, regardless of all these speculations in the present thread. We've reached a point where we know we'll get both the visual update and the new DLC. Unless there's a major technical problem (serious code issues, data loss)... we'll have both: the visual update (VR, TrueSKy, etc.) AND TF6.0.

 

 

The rights holders can send cease and desist and stop development of any mod they want.

Take2 likes to do this for example https://mixed-news.com/en/off-for-gta-5-rdr2-mafia-vr-mods-take-two-lawyers-with-ultimatum/

more examples https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=mod+cease+and+desist

Personally I don't get much invested if it will be released then great if not then not, life goes on. The game is nearly dead and there is too much there to fix. VR and pretty clouds will not help when the VR users return/come in and find terrible UI, terrible AI, multiplayer servers mostly populated by the said AI and few singleplayer missions/campaigns.

[Mysticpuma]

4 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Something is not right, that is for sure or, IMHO, Buzzsaw would be commuting what is going on here on this Forum. It is what it is. Not much can be done except speculate. 

 

S!Blade<><

"You have to speculate to accumulate" and I guess the speculation at least accumulates a spark of discussion in the stagnant, forgotten forums. 

I have followed and shown my passion for CloD but the lack of posts by the team, especially regarding anything to do with V6.00, does concern me for the future of the product, post VR and Truesky. 

[OBT-Eazy]

The ATAG forum is back online.
Now is the time to stop with your negative speculations linking the future of CloD and the availability of the ATAG forum.
Maybe some might take the opportunity to make this resolution for 2023 (but I doubt it).
It would be good for the silent majority who enjoy this game and the work of TFS.
Thank you.

 

[No.54_Reddog]

17 minutes ago, OBT-Eazy said:

The ATAG forum is back online.
Now is the time to stop with your negative speculations linking the future of CloD and the availability of the ATAG forum.
Maybe some might take the opportunity to make this resolution for 2023 (but I doubt it).
It would be good for the silent majority who enjoy this game and the work of TFS.
Thank you.

 

Majority? Where are they hiding then? Which of the 25 players (30 day average max concurrent players) are they then?

 

This thread is upfront about being for speculation. Why even post on it if you're not interested in the topic? Unless you want to join the forum police as well and censor people's opinions?

 

It's good ATAG is back up. There is a lot of content there. Be even better when clicking on links to other messages works but I guess they are working to solve issues and it is Christmas. 

[Robli]

14 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

IDK whether the new owners actively sought rights to Blitz or merely accepted responsibility for interacting with TFS and Steam for Blitz'  "upkeep".

 

I think it was like one of these "Storage Hunters" or what these shows are called, where Fulcrum bought the right to a bunch of games, most of what is old crap, but there might be something possibly valuable also. I would guess that TFS is now in some sort of discussion with Fulcrum on what could happen in the future.

[FG-28DerDa]

Actually I'm glad that TFS seems to concentrate on their work (and I don't even want to imagine how much additional work the forum breakdown meant), instead of telling some spoiled kids over and over again 'It's ready when it's ready.'

 

Would be useless anyway, because whatever they say or don't say, there will be the same people crying: "The end is near!"

 

Another reason I'm glad the ATAG forum is back, I don't have to read this here ...

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, OBT-Eazy said:

The ATAG forum is back online.
Now is the time to stop with your negative speculations linking the future of CloD and the availability of the ATAG forum.
Maybe some might take the opportunity to make this resolution for 2023 (but I doubt it).
It would be good for the silent majority who enjoy this game and the work of TFS.
Thank you.

 

I know that wasn't aimed at me as my post clearly is positive towards the team. 

I have clearly said I expect TFS to deliver the content they have created for the community. I also said that if 1C/Fulcrum/Tencent don't continue forward, then maybe there is an opportunity for them to bring their skill to the next chapter BoX is creating. 

 

Either way, we get a complete CloD and TFS continue forward creating content for the community. 

 

What's negative about that? 

16 minutes ago, FG-28DerDa said:

Actually I'm glad that TFS seems to concentrate on their work (and I don't even want to imagine how much additional work the forum breakdown meant). 

Just the guy dealing with the website admin, so barely any at all ?

I do appreciate the effort being used to derail the thread topic and initial question. 

How about everyone just takes a chill pill and carry on the speculating the initial point? 

[DD_Arthur]

2 hours ago, Robli said:

 

I think it was like one of these "Storage Hunters" or what these shows are called, where Fulcrum bought the right to a bunch of games, most of what is old crap, but there might be something possibly valuable also. I would guess that TFS is now in some sort of discussion with Fulcrum on what could happen in the future.

I think this is pretty accurate. I can’t really see Tencent closing CLoD down if it’s producing some sort of income stream, that just wouldn’t make sense.

 

However, Team Fusion “leadership” are now going to have to form new relationships with the new owners of CLoD.

That might not be so easy….

13 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

There was one guy who could do that - and he's been somewhat conspicuous in his absence of late to say nothing of the fact that progress WITH the source code has been glacial, 

Would you by any chance be talking about that one guy who has never styled himself as a member of TFS but is in fact the architect behind all their ‘work’ ? ?

[Livai]

True Sky, VR, and the other Graphic updates not released yet. I not expect them soon. They need to finish them and release the Graphic Updates and VR after that we will see what comes next. Even if 1C/Fulcrum/Tencent close the doors and TFS are back where they started as Modders. And Modders always do backups..........

 

-> When you have access to Source Code you see yourself how far you can go with this Game Engine until you reach the end

Edited January 2, 2023 by Livai

[DD_Arthur]

35 minutes ago, Livai said:

> When you have access to Source Code you see yourself how far you can go with this Game Engine until you reach the end

Yeah….

On the other hand 1CMaddox Games had fifty-five people working full time on the game - with the source code - for years and took it as far as they could….until they gave up on it.

 

Will a handful of part-timers manage to “reach the end”?

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

35 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Will a handful of part-timers manage to “reach the end”?

 

 

I don't care. Respond yourself if you want, Arthur. Personnally I do care about what this team, TFS, will be able to obtain out of the 2011 damaged code of this game. At this point, what they already did obtain from the game is sufficient enough to make I'm a happy simmer with "Blitz" and "Tobruk". They may never reach the end, but even if they never reach the end, and even if the game ends up by not being available in the future... I would have gotten years of fun anyway, and this is more than sufficient enought to me.

 

If we go back on topic, Mysticpuma said "V6.00 seemingly forgotten about"... but this is only because, for the moment, apparently, TFS is not allowed to announce anything in connection with the second add-on. 1C/Tencent, apparently, will make a decision on the announcement, and there's no reason to believe that there won't be a TF6.0 in a close future. Even if T6.0 was cancelled, there will be the visual update and the VR. Still now "Cliffs of Dover" is worth it.