Developer Diary #337 Discussion (The Past and The Future)

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

22 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

The majority SP.

What are the numbers?

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, BladeMeister said:

Not saying that will happen again, but nobody saw it coming last time

 

S!Blade<><

They actually announced that the game would have unlocks, so you should not have been surprised.  We even had a poll about it.  Virtually no one wanted it.  They did it anyways.

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

They actually announced that the game would have unlocks, so you should not have been surprised.  We even had a poll about it.  Virtually no one wanted it.  They did it anyways.

I just want to know what is coming. If they start that unlock crap again I know and move on. It is after all their product. 
I was pretty surprised, I never believed they were serious about it. There I was flying my PE 2 and suddenly I had to unlock my bombs for it. 
next question this leaves me , who is in their mind their closest competitor. DCS ? Good they are better in stuff right now and that means other things will be better. 
Warthunder? We are fu**** And it is time to move on

[Guest deleted@83466]

I propose a drinking game.  Every time Lusekofte posts until 12am local time, anyone reading must have a shot.

 

?

[Cloyd]

9 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I propose a drinking game.  Every time Lusekofte posts until 12am local time, anyone reading must have a shot.

 

?

I'm in!

[dbuile]

3 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

If they start that unlock crap

Gotta say: if the game tries to incentivize replay value via unlocks, I might barf.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Does a glass of bubbly count?

[Cloyd]

1 minute ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Does a glass of bubbly count?

Sure, if it's in a shot glass.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Happy New Year Cloyd, glad you are still around, and best wishes to Gidney!

[Guest deleted@83466]

Well, I feel bad now, I think I embarrassed him.

[Cloyd]

9 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Happy New Year Cloyd, glad you are still around, and best wishes to Gidney!

Hey El, good to see you too. Give my regards to all the Pigs.

14 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

Well, I feel bad now, I think I embarrassed him.

Not possible. ? It's late in Norway though.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

I propose a drinking game.  Every time Lusekofte posts until 12am local time, anyone reading must have a shot.

 

?

I glad my post have a purpose. 

 

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

Well, I feel bad now, I think I embarrassed him.

Me? 
no

I post a lot these days I earn the attention 

[[DNKN]GoNuts4Donuts17]

Maybe 2023 could finally be the year the western allies finally get a flyable medium bomber? ?

[Cloyd]

4 minutes to midnight here. Thanks Otto, time for a shot.

[IckyATLAS]

The flying tigers Mandchourian theater, should be a perfect transition from Europe to the Pacific.

it is still mainly on land. We have the p40 as well as the c47 to fly the hump. Cities or villages are ok, a lot of empty space, little roads, rivers.

On the Japanese side you need a zero, à Betty which is a twin bomber so no issue here, and a few other Japanese planes that can later be used in the pacific theater.
Seems too good.

[Bonnot]

47 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

Japanese planes that can later be used in the pacific theater.

 

VADE  RETRO  SATANAS  ?

Edited January 1, 2023 by Bonnot

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

The flying tigers Mandchourian theater, should be a perfect transition from Europe to the Pacific.

it is still mainly on land. We have the p40 as well as the c47 to fly the hump. Cities or villages are ok, a lot of empty space, little roads, rivers.

On the Japanese side you need a zero, à Betty which is a twin bomber so no issue here, and a few other Japanese planes that can later be used in the pacific theater.
Seems too good.

Flying Tigers never flew in Manchuria, its 3000-4000km away from their main area of action, also im sure they never fight vs Zeros also.

And i highly doubt we would have a map with Himalaias on it even if they decide to model Flying Tigers adventures.

7 hours ago, GoNuts4Donuts said:

Maybe 2023 could finally be the year the western allies finally get a flyable medium bomber? ?

Would you buy Korea game if it had B-26 and fully modeled bombardier positions and realistic bombsights ?

[acer884]

19 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Latające Tygrysy nigdy nie latały w Mandżurii, oddalonej o 3000-4000 km od ich głównego obszaru działania, jestem też pewien, że nigdy nie walczą też z Zerami.

 

I think that the Polish pilot Witold Urbanowicz in his memoirs describes that he fought with the Japanese "zeros" as part of the Flying Tigers. Unfortunately I borrowed this book so I can't confirm 100%

[CountZero]

38 minutes ago, acer884 said:

I think that the Polish pilot Witold Urbanowicz in his memoirs describes that he fought with the Japanese "zeros" as part of the Flying Tigers. Unfortunately I borrowed this book so I can't confirm 100%

But from what Zero unit could that Zero be if there was none in that area. Its more likely miss id other type that was there, its like every tank americans destroy in normandy was tiger, no mather if its realy PzIII with a broom as gun.

[AndyJWest]

It was common for IJAAF Ki-43 'Oscars' to be misidentified as Zeros by allied forces. 

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2023 by AndyJWest

[acer884]

49 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Ale z jakiej jednostki Zero mogłoby być to Zero, gdyby nie było żadnej w tym obszarze. Bardziej prawdopodobne jest, że przegapił inny typ, który tam był, podobnie jak każdy czołg, który amerykanie niszczą w Normandii, był tygrysem, nieważne, czy to naprawdę PzIII z miotłą jako działem.

Yes, it may have been a misidentification. During this time, he shot down two Ki-44 aircraft. I'll check when I get the book back

Edited January 1, 2023 by acer884

[BlitzPig_EL]

Before being absorbed into the USAAF, the AVG only engaged Ki-27 "Nate" and Ki-43 "Oscar" fighters of the IJAAC, in addition to Japanese Army bomber types.

Even late in the war when they were flying a mix of P40Ns and various versions of the Mustang, their primary opposition was the Ki-43.

 

CountZero nailed it.  Misidentification was rampant.

Such was the reputation of the A6M, that any Japanese fighter with a radial engine was a "Zeke", even when it wasn't.

Edited January 1, 2023 by BlitzPig_EL

[Yogiflight]

On 12/30/2022 at 5:00 PM, Oyster_KAI said:

But I really hope that there is a key bind to switch to see the fuel gauge of different fuel tanks, instead of the current 30-second automatic switch.

You don't even need to switch between the tanks. The way it is modelled, you only need to see one tank. Two examples, the 190s of BON and BOBP, use the fuel from the rear tank, first, then the fuel from the front tank (hopefully this will be modelled for the A3 and A5 as well). The same counts for fuel leaks, they are always from the tank, the engine gets its fuel from. So, as long as there is fuel in the rear tank, there is no need to switch to the front tank, it is full. When the rear tank is empty, it will stay empty, so no need to show it.

In the Bf 110s it is even simpler. The engines always get their fuel from the front tanks. You don't have to show the level of the rear tanks. Apart from the one or two minutes it takes to pump the fuel from the rear tanks to the empty front tanks (which you can see by the bright white lights in the center of the instrument panel), they are either full or empty. You don't have to see the level. It is enough to show either the two front tanks or even only on of them, as left and right tank always have the same level of fuel.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

I had a clear idea on what the "new project" is... but now, especially after having read a few interesting contributions provided by my comrades here on this thread... I must admitt I might be wrong regarding the so mentioned "new project". It is a quite mysterious thing, finally. I'll wait until 1CGS informs us a bit more...

 

 

[IckyATLAS]

6 hours ago, CountZero said:

Flying Tigers never flew in Manchuria, its 3000-4000km away from their main area of action, also im sure they never fight vs Zeros also.

And i highly doubt we would have a map with Himalaias on it even if they decide to model Flying Tigers adventures.

You are right and my memories are not good. I did a refresher course with chatGPT. Yunnan is the region with Kunming their base and they flew on the  china-Burma-India region until disbanded in 1942. So here the answer of chatGPT: The Japanese aircraft that the Flying Tigers encountered included the Mitsubishi A6M Zero, Nakajima Ki-27 Nate, and the Mitsubishi G4M Betty bomber.

There may be others but I go by that this could be interesting for a future pacific round.

regarding C47 use in support to the AVG to carry equipment and personnel the answer is that it is possible but no affirmative answer here.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

36 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

You are right and my memories are not good. I did a refresher course with chatGPT. Yunnan is the region with Kunming their base and they flew on the  china-Burma-India region until disbanded in 1942. So here the answer of chatGPT: The Japanese aircraft that the Flying Tigers encountered included the Mitsubishi A6M Zero, Nakajima Ki-27 Nate, and the Mitsubishi G4M Betty bomber.

There may be others but I go by that this could be interesting for a future pacific round.

regarding C47 use in support to the AVG to carry equipment and personnel the answer is that it is possible but no affirmative answer here.

 

 

We'd need to do some additional research so that it is confirmed if whether or not the Flying Tigers encountered Ki-43s and/or Ki-44s as well. At this point I'm not sure of that.

 

A6M2-11 Zeroes where ferried-flown to Manchuria in the Summer of 1940 but they kept ferrying further over the continental lands in order to sustain air combat against the Republic of China, thisis, over Chinese provinces that were not Manchuria. I think, indeed, that no Zeroes led any kind of air combat over Manchuria, if not (maybe) during the late days of the War when the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened in August 1945.

 

Other than that, we also could... go back on topic

 

 

[willeverton]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

I had a clear idea on what the "new project" is... but now, especially after having read a few interesting contributions provided by my comrades here on this thread... I must admitt I might be wrong regarding the so mentioned "new project". It is a quite mysterious thing, finally. I'll wait until 1CGS informs us a bit more...

 

 

We will be waiting a while it seems......

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 minutes ago, willeverton said:

We will be waiting a while it seems......

 

 

We cannot be sure of that. Anyway, even if the devs keep silent the next six months... we can keep playing our favourite flight sims as they are, regardless of the "new project" announcement being late or not. Come on, let's be positive...

 

 

[kendo]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

I had a clear idea on what the "new project" is... but now, especially after having read a few interesting contributions provided by my comrades here on this thread... I must admitt I might be wrong regarding the so mentioned "new project". It is a quite mysterious thing, finally. I'll wait until 1CGS informs us a bit more...

 

 

That's quite funny, because after reading the DD, for the first time it seemed clear to me that 'new project' was more than likely what you had described it as. ?

 

But, as you say, there are still bits that don't seem to fit - the description of the changes to be made to the engine in that interview, and other things suggesting further development of what we have, while so much else is now suggesting a radical departure and a new series.

 

I'm a little disbelieving of the woeful lack of clarity from them. It should not still be open to debate about exactly what the plans are. They seem to want (or need) to deliberately maintain some ambiguity over all this. Business reasons?

[Lusekofte]

9 hours ago, CountZero said:

Would you buy Korea game if it had B-26 and fully modeled bombardier positions and realistic bombsights ?

I would. Korea is not my first choice, but that is because I rather do Koreawar in DCS. 

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I would. Korea is not my first choice, but that is because I rather do Koreawar in DCS. 

So then no need to add more medium bombers or bombardier stations in this game...

3 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

You are right and my memories are not good. I did a refresher course with chatGPT. Yunnan is the region with Kunming their base and they flew on the  china-Burma-India region until disbanded in 1942. So here the answer of chatGPT: The Japanese aircraft that the Flying Tigers encountered included the Mitsubishi A6M Zero, Nakajima Ki-27 Nate, and the Mitsubishi G4M Betty bomber.

There may be others but I go by that this could be interesting for a future pacific round.

regarding C47 use in support to the AVG to carry equipment and personnel the answer is that it is possible but no affirmative answer here.

Good to know our future AI overloards are still faulty.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Crewable bombardier stations in this game would be the bomb.

 

edit: oh my, I’ve wasted another year on this forum, where did it all go…

Edited January 1, 2023 by SeaSerpent

[Mainstay]

As long as the next title gets better graphics (yes, the current are really getting outdated) and we get flyable 4 engine bombers I’m a happy man. 
 

Looking at you Avro Lancaster 

[Alexmarine]

Puts tinfoil hat on

 

-This DD is called "The Past and The Future"

 

-Korea War has both the "past" (piston engine fighters of ww2 legacy) and the "future" (jets with technologies that will build up in future generations)

 

-Korean War confirmed 100% for next project 

 

Takes tinfoil hat off

[Lusekofte]

10 hours ago, CountZero said:

then no need to add more medium bombers or bombardier stations in this game...

Where did you read that from my post. If it take a Korea map to get medium bombers I am all for it. 
But I despise people lobbying for a cause preventing others to get what they want. So I kindly ask what the f*** are you on about?

10 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

Crewable bombardier stations in this game would be the bomb.

 

edit: oh my, I’ve wasted another year on this forum, where did it all go…

You me and both

And I guess it pass another year before we get anything on the “new thing” 

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

Where did you read that from my post. If it take a Korea map to get medium bombers I am all for it. 
But I despise people lobbying for a cause preventing others to get what they want. So I kindly ask what the f*** are you on about?

You me and both

And I guess it pass another year before we get anything on the “new thing” 

So guy asked that maybe 2023 we will finaly get allied medium bomber.

I quoted him and ask if he would buy new game and B-26 for Korea.

You jump in and say youll buy it even do you dont need korea and can do korea dcs.

And i answer then no need to add them in this game.

 

So my point is when you will be seling 2 similar games, new stuff ppl wont will be in new game that you need to promote more, not in this old game. So there will be no need for medium bombers in GB any more, or any other thing like drop tanks or PTO and so on... 

 

 

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

Puts tinfoil hat on

 

-This DD is called "The Past and The Future"

 

-Korea War has both the "past" (piston engine fighters of ww2 legacy) and the "future" (jets with technologies that will build up in future generations)

 

-Korean War confirmed 100% for next project 

 

Takes tinfoil hat off

in that famous november DD, first 3 points talk about how graphics and FM/DM will improve in new project but 4th hints more on what it could be, Korea no mather how funny and bad, looks close to right guess:

Fourth, we have already started the creation of the technical design documents for the new aircraft and one of these aircraft is already in development. The work on new pilots models is already underway. The pre-production of the new map has started - our designers are doing various research on the new area. This work is very extensive and complex because the chosen theatre of war is very interesting and visually appealing. But the reference documents and materials are not easy to come by. In fact, as it was before in our team experience, it looks like we'll not only create a new memorable realistic combat sim, but make a contribution to the history as a science by uncovering new data. At the very least we'll do our part in refreshing the public memory of these events.

[Alexmarine]

16 minutes ago, CountZero said:

, Korea no mather how funny and bad, 

 

Pretty sure you meant awesome and great 

 

Catch me over MiG alley 

[Mainstay]

Rather see Vietnam to be honest 

[CountZero]

2 minutes ago, Mainstay said:

Rather see Vietnam to be honest 

Well if Korea is succes why go back to WW2, Vietnam could be next then, even WT focuses on jets more and more.

2 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

 

Pretty sure you meant awesome and great 

 

Catch me over MiG alley 

ah yes only Mig-15s vs F-86s... it will be so great and not borring after a week