Damage model dodgy, or "How many hits can a Marder III take"

[kingspoons]

Hi all,

 

I got the mega Tank Crew bundle for Christmas, and have been happily getting stuck into driving the Churchill, bar for one problem - my shots seem to keep bouncing. For a while I thought it was just me, but today, in the bundled Churchill mission, I opened fire on a stationary (and lightly armoured) Marder III from ~300m away, only to have it bounce almost ten of my shells.

 

Here's a video for your critique! (there doesn't seem to be an option to embed, for some reason?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KgBR46sR40

 

All the shots are from me (my AI companion T-34 was sitting a bit further down, blissfully unaware). Around halfway through, I move a bit, as I was getting a bit unnerved of sitting right in front of its gun, and couldn't tell it was seemingly locked in a storage position.

 

I do wish the game had a better way of telling you if you're actually doing damage or not, though. War Thunder/WoT may not be the most realistic, but at least it gives you some idea whether your shells have bounced (and I love the War Thunder X-Ray it gives you). Things like Gunner HEAT PC shows you a diagram of the penetrations/bounces etc after the battle, and even something like that would be really cool to have here too.

 

So am I just particularly crap at shooting, or is this some sort of weird bug?

Edited December 26, 2022 by kingspoons

[Bonnot]

13 minutes ago, kingspoons said:

I got the mega Tank Crew bundle for Christmas

 

What, Where did you find a MARDER ?????  on TC  ?

[ShampooX]

Best armor is no armor.

[moustache]

1 hour ago, kingspoons said:

So am I just particularly crap at shooting, or is this some sort of weird bug?

it's not you, it's the AP shell that is what it is... I don't know how the game manages the fragmentation after penetration of the AP shells, but you have to aim for the "sensitive points of the tanks to neutralize them... to "hope" for a catratas trophic explosion, the shell really has to pass through ammunition...

and moreover, it is a shell that bounces a lot more than the others, by design

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Bonnot said:

What, Where did you find a MARDER ?????  on TC  ?

 

AI-only vehicle that's been in the game for like 10 years now. ?

[kingspoons]

1 hour ago, moustache said:

it's not you, it's the AP shell that is what it is... I don't know how the game manages the fragmentation after penetration of the AP shells, but you have to aim for the "sensitive points of the tanks to neutralize them... to "hope" for a catratas trophic explosion, the shell really has to pass through ammunition...

and moreover, it is a shell that bounces a lot more than the others, by design

 

Thanks for this. I'm glad it's not just me, but also kind of sad that that's just how it is in the game. I'm guessing there's not much (if any) modelling of fragmentation, which feels a bit disappointing. Really that first shell ought to have knocked it out - it would at least have killed one of the crew, and possibly mangled the controls. I really like the way War Thunder handles fragmentation, so I was kind of hoping this would be similar, but with single player!

 

How come AP shells bounce by design, though?

 

Also, is there a way to embed videos at all? I seem to be able to paste code, but then that just does syntax highlighting rather than processing the code itself!

Edited December 26, 2022 by kingspoons

[LukeFF]

8 hours ago, kingspoons said:

Also, is there a way to embed videos at all? I seem to be able to paste code, but then that just does syntax highlighting rather than processing the code itself!

 

If you just paste the link, it'll automatically embed itself here.

[qwoi-*_]

21 hours ago, kingspoons said:

Hi all,

 

I got the mega Tank Crew bundle for Christmas, and have been happily getting stuck into driving the Churchill, bar for one problem - my shots seem to keep bouncing. For a while I thought it was just me, but today, in the bundled Churchill mission, I opened fire on a stationary (and lightly armoured) Marder III from ~300m away, only to have it bounce almost ten of my shells.

 

Here's a video for your critique! (there doesn't seem to be an option to embed, for some reason?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KgBR46sR40

 

All the shots are from me (my AI companion T-34 was sitting a bit further down, blissfully unaware). Around halfway through, I move a bit, as I was getting a bit unnerved of sitting right in front of its gun, and couldn't tell it was seemingly locked in a storage position.

 

I do wish the game had a better way of telling you if you're actually doing damage or not, though. War Thunder/WoT may not be the most realistic, but at least it gives you some idea whether your shells have bounced (and I love the War Thunder X-Ray it gives you). Things like Gunner HEAT PC shows you a diagram of the penetrations/bounces etc after the battle, and even something like that would be really cool to have here too.

 

So am I just particularly crap at shooting, or is this some sort of weird bug?

I've had exactly the same problem in a KV-1s where I shot at a Marder and all of the AP shots just bounced off.

Very frustrating.

Edited December 27, 2022 by 12345690qwoi-*_