Developer Diary #336 Discussion

[CountZero]

32 minutes ago, Obelix said:

Very surprising this choice of "tweaking" of Me 109! But for which opponent? B17? B24? If this is only to satisfy some "players", honestly it is not very reasonable.

What about the versions of other aircraft, usable on the Map Normandy? Like a Typhoon with car door, a Spitfire mk IXc, or an A20G. About the A20, why don't we have any US bombs? 

And going further, when will a "B" version of the Ju82, useful for the 

And if we go even further, the abandonment of the B26 and the B25 pilots is for me a real heartbreak.

 

In conclusion, I'm quite disappointed by this DD

 

LOL this is fighter players game, you need high alt 109 so you can fight high alt allied fighters... what bombers you talk about... its all about fly high and bnz your enemy then go up high, get the kill... who cares about objectives or eascorting bombers game wont have.

When Ta-152H gets in game in next DLC it is not there so you can shoot at B-17s, B-24s  or CAP home bases its so you can go even higher to BnZ enemy fighters...  where is GM-1 modification for 109s is real question , not why another 109...  

• G-6/U2 (Fitted with GM-1)  acording to wikipedia historic site, why not have that 109G6, who is discriminating 109G6s by not including this important modification, we need 4th version of it in game...

Edited December 18, 2022 by CountZero

[Bonnot]

33 minutes ago, Obelix said:

About the A20, why don't we have any US bombs? 

And the A20B  with a DORSAL  TURRET  !!!!

The RAF received them in time for overlord and on 6 june the French Lorraine had the singuliar task of laying smoke  screens along the seafront , that's original  new stuff .

[jojy47jojyrocks]

Since this is a collector aircraft and basing from an already existing version, they need to REDUCE the PRICE. G-10 would have been much much better than this version. This is more like a modification addon...

 

Personally, I was hoping for something different, like a Ta-152H or He-162, that would be fresh.

[Niagara]

9 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Developers: "We plan on adding a few collector planes that are modifications of existing aircraft."

 

Players: "Okay, sounds cool!"

 

Developers: "Here's the first one, the Bf 109 G-6/AS."

 

Players: "OMFG why are we getting yet another mod of an existing aircraft."

 

Developers: ???????

 == NO -- what the players meant was == ( OMFG  why are we getting yet a ANOTHER  MOD of the 109 ) !!!   when there are plenty of other existing aircraft that have needed modifications  FOREVER !       they should change the name of the Sim to "  IL 109 " 

[Tonester]

Just anounce the next module ffs!…then you can release whatever dlc you like…the suspense is killing me

 

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, Tonester said:

Just anounce the next module ffs!…then you can release whatever dlc you like…the suspense is killing me

 

 

No kidding!

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Guys,

 

This is a discussion about the latest DD where they announce the new upcoming collector plane.

Can we please stay on topic (BF-109 G6AS) and not stray into what some would have wanted instead?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Oyster_KAI]

It would be nice if this opportunity could be used to let old 109s to get the correct 3D model of the KG stick,
and fix the cockpit issues that have accumulated over the years.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, jojy47jojyrocks said:

Personally, I was hoping for something different, like a Ta-152H or He-162, that would be fresh.

 

Then you entirely missed the part where they said they were going to be modeling something based on an existing aircraft, not an entirely new airframe.

[76IAP-Black]

Let's see if the new cockpit will differ from the current pits, the old 109, and if they update them

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, jojy47jojyrocks said:

Personally, I was hoping for something different, like a Ta-152H or He-162, that would be fresh.

 

Neither will be happening in this game unless there is a map to fly SP career missions on.

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, Niagara said:

 == NO -- what the players meant was == ( OMFG  why are we getting yet a ANOTHER  MOD of the 109 ) !!!   when there are plenty of other existing aircraft that have needed modifications  FOREVER !       they should change the name of the Sim to "  IL 109 " 

Options are another mod of 109 or another mod of 190, there is no other options for axis. There is IAR80/81, and they aint gona be mad and do bomber collector for axis, so its 109 or 190.

 

And i would bet that they will sell more this 109 then iar80s

Edited December 18, 2022 by CountZero

[pencon]

Im still waiting for my IAR81  , enough bf109s . I also wish there was a Macchi 200 Saetta to battle the i16s . And just because they look so cool . Italy was also part of the Axis , we need more pasta planes ! 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by pencon
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[FTC_ChilliBalls]

2 hours ago, Oyster_KAI said:

It would be nice if this opportunity could be used to let old 109s to get the correct 3D model of the KG stick,
and fix the cockpit issues that have accumulated over the years.

I'm just glad that the wrong angle of the upper windscreen frame was fixed with the release of the G6 Late.

But I would love to see the G6/AS getting a better cockpit than the one that's based on the G2 from 9 years ago.

[jojy47jojyrocks]

50 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Neither will be happening in this game unless there is a map to fly SP career missions on.

 

 

G-10, maybe?

Edited December 18, 2022 by jojy47jojyrocks

[sevenless]

1 minute ago, jojy47jojyrocks said:

 

 

G-10, maybe?

 

Good question. Depends if they plan to keep it back for the planeset of a possible 44/45 eastfront module. If they cancel said module, then yes, the G10 can be used on the Bodenplatte map.

[Voidhunger]

15 hours ago, Wardog5711 said:

the majority of the total players just fly the SIM without feeling the need to spend a lot of time here talking about it.

What? what is more important than to be on this forum?

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Voidhunger

[Bonnot]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

And i would bet that they will sell more this 109 then iar80s

 

....will you bet a Seafire on it   ?

....Or a SeaHurricane with assorted CAMship  ?

[Yogiflight]

The Ju 188 would have been a nice modification of the existing Ju 88

[DN308]

A Do217

[MiGCap]

For my part, I am very happy with the announcement and looking forward to fly the G6A/S! 

[FliegerAD]

Absolutely in line with what could be expected being a variant of a popular plane. Also, one would have a hard time fitting it into a possible future module, especially if it is on the Eastern Front. Not impossible, of course, just less appropriate than other options.

In this regard, it is an almost perfect collector's aircraft.

 

The G-10 for example would have been too important for this. (Yes, I know: G-6; I think that was a huge mistake.). You need this for another go at the Luftwaffe... or the Aeronautica Nazionale. ?

The fact that it is not a G-10 is rather reassuring that there will be another module with the Luftwaffe. Or one with the ANR. Both good imo.

 

Lastly, I remember a time when the G-6/AS was the best German plane in Il-2. Way back then... Nostalgia! ?

[Dagwoodyt]

6 hours ago, dburne said:

 

No kidding!

If it's more Eastern Front the team might not be in any hurry to break that news?

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, FliegerAD said:

Lastly, I remember a time when the G-6/AS was the best German plane in Il-2. Way back then... Nostalgia! ?

 

LOL yep, you beat me to it. ??

[AndytotheD]

My unsolicited take: Even as late as June I’d almost certainly have purchased this immediately. I did so for the teardrop Spitfire. Now that there is a little uncertainty as to Il-2’s future I’m a lot less inclined. I’ll revisit this opinion when the next step is finally revealed. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Way back then I was in the AKA squad, and we flew the G6AS a lot.  It was a good plane, then I discovered the P39N and really got good in it...

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, FliegerAD said:. 

The fact that it is not a G-10 is rather reassuring that there will be another module with the Luftwaffe. Or one with the ANR. Both good imo.

 

That might be reading a bit much into it. In any case - it’s a good choice for a collector aircraft. 

[CUJO_1970]

If it has to come via the collector route I have no issue with that. I'll pay for stuff I want, and if I get what I want I'll buy more stuff that I probably don't want.

 

For those having a nervous breakdown (hilarious) over the G6/AS -

Would you have been happier if the /AS modification came immediately with Bodenplatte or Normandy and not as an optional paid collector? (less profitable for developers)

 

Would you like to pay extra and wait years for 150 grade fuel option, or Malcolm hood option? No? The LW had to wait years for the /AS option that was extremely common and widely used...and then had to pay for the G6 a third time in order to get it. It's going to sell biggly and it's going to be profitable for the developers...

 

And yet here you are.

 

[Rjel]

Wait years for the Malcolm hood and/or 150 octane fuel? I thought we did??? Does that mean I could've been flying the P-51 for years? I thought it was just released in 2021?

[Gambit21]

I'm all for collector 109's. They'll sell so why not.

 

Early 109E would be a good one.

 

 

 

I don't fly 109's much these days, but back when I did I was an Emil kind of guy.

 

 

[jojy47jojyrocks]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I'm all for collector 109's. They'll sell so why not.

 

Early 109E would be a good one.

 

 

 

I don't fly 109's much these days, but back when I did I was an Emil kind of guy.

 

 

 

 

Would be good if they add the Battle of Britain or France scenario, maybe Battle of Britain IL2GB version. For the BF-109E versions. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by jojy47jojyrocks

[Hanu]

From a skinner's point of view I'd have love to see variant of G6 with Erla-haube and metal tail (not that tall wooden one), but I do understand that it would NOT have been a major hit in store. ?

[CountZero]

9 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Absolutely in line with what could be expected being a variant of a popular plane. Also, one would have a hard time fitting it into a possible future module, especially if it is on the Eastern Front. Not impossible, of course, just less appropriate than other options.

In this regard, it is an almost perfect collector's aircraft.

 

The G-10 for example would have been too important for this. (Yes, I know: G-6; I think that was a huge mistake.). You need this for another go at the Luftwaffe... or the Aeronautica Nazionale. ?

The fact that it is not a G-10 is rather reassuring that there will be another module with the Luftwaffe. Or one with the ANR. Both good imo.

 

Lastly, I remember a time when the G-6/AS was the best German plane in Il-2. Way back then... Nostalgia! ?

They said no Italy so they save G10 for East front DLC, only thing more asked then AS 109s was G10, if they dont have to save it for next DLC we would get it now.

4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I'm all for collector 109's. They'll sell so why not.

 

Early 109E would be a good one.

 

 

 

I don't fly 109's much these days, but back when I did I was an Emil kind of guy.

 

 

Game have E7, its E4, so what you expect E1/E3 as collector airplane ? no auto engine controll and no guns that go boom, it would be flop as collector 109... not to mentione no map to use it on.

[Gambit21]

17 minutes ago, CountZero said:

They said no Italy so they save G10 for East front DLC, only thing more asked then AS 109s was G10, if they dont have to save it for next DLC we would get it now.

Game have E7, its E4, so what you expect E1/E3 as collector airplane ? no auto engine controll and no guns that go boom, it would be flop as collector 109... not to mentione no map to use it on.

I forgot we had the E4.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

I forgot we had the E4.

E7 is E4 with droptanks, and we dont even have droptanks, so we have E4 in game, but i bet if they just rename E7 and sell it like E4 without any changes for 20$ for name change, there would be more buyers then for IAR80/81 ?

 

Edited December 19, 2022 by CountZero

[the_emperor]

Why is Start&Notleistung (1.42 ata, B4) still restricted to 1min? Shouldnt it be 3min for tthe DB605 series:

 

[Eisenfaustus]

5 hours ago, CountZero said:

E7 is E4 with droptanks, and we dont even have droptanks, so we have E4 in game, but i bet if they just rename E7 and sell it like E4 without any changes for 20$ for name change, there would be more buyers then for IAR80/81 ?

 

Nope - the E-4 still has a hole in the spinner for the motorkanone that never really worked on the emils. The E-7 has no spinner hole. Completely different airplanes...

[kendo]

Sounds like a great candidate for new $20 collector aircraft!!

[unclepants]

On 12/17/2022 at 11:03 AM, Trooper117 said:

So, I've already got the 109 that I really like with the E series... can't really tempt myself with yet another G6, but I'm glad that the Luftwaffles are happy ?

Along with the new Spitfire, that new La-5 and the Romanian thing that I won't be purchasing, there's not much on offer for my interest to be captivating... oh, I forgot, I'll probably get the Dakota when Gambit does his magic with a campaign as it's such an iconic aircraft.

The only other possible purchase will be the Snipe, but only if it gets good reports on it's handling after it's release.

Keep at it dev's... eventually more stuff coming in the future will hopefully make me want to buy more.  

In the limited time I've played the Dakota in career mode, it's not much fun in single player. As the escort seems to fly away as soon as they feel like it, often when 4-6 190s appear, there's not much you can do to survive. Worse that the Ju52s - at least they have something to shoot back with. The only way I've survived a mission is either I'm not seen by the enemy and they don't appear,  or there are enough Dakotas flying and the 190s and 109s decide to go for the other ones first and probably run out of ammo (I'm guessing). I love the game but damn AI. Cowards or suicidal, and I'm not sure why they choose one or the other. P47s turnfighting 109s (although there seems to be less of this lately, has there been a change or is it just my luck?) or wingmen flying away just when a little bit of help might save me. In career mode I now fly selfish, those bastards don't care if I die, why should I care if they do? ?

Still, the Dakota is a beautiful plane and I look forward to any scripted campaigns that might appear.

[Jaws2002]

18 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Lastly, I remember a time when the G-6/AS was the best German plane in Il-2. Way back then... Nostalgia! ?

 I remember those days very well. That's what I flew, before Forgotten Battles was released.  Then I discovered the FW-190A5/A6 and finally reached Nirvana when I switched to D9. 

Good old days.