What's with all the Late War Eastern Front hate?

[Wardog5711]

Due to operator error, the merge of two threads changed the title of the original.

I shall fine myself $1 for the screw-up.

 

The original thread with it's new name is here:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/81922-battle-over-europe/page/6/#comment-1239271

 

But to keep from having multiple wish lists going at one time, lets keep all the wishes and dreams post in this one thread.

[Denum]

I'm not sure either as there are plenty of neat aircraft to play there. 

 

I'd be just as happy with the Spanish Civil War or the Continuation War. 

 

 

 

[Gambit21]

As the first post above indicates, (no offense to Denum) I'm not so sure the re-birthing this thread, without any of the previous context is going to pencil out so well.

The absence of the ass-hattery that occurred is welcome be sure.

 

Maybe a title change then is in order...just a friendly suggestion since it was pretty much debunked as having any merit...at least as worded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Gambit21

[Lusekofte]

Well that is settled 

majority wants Spanish Civil war

 

bring it on ?

[Noisemaker]

17 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Well that is settled 

majority wants Spanish Civil war

 

bring it on ?

No, no, no, it's the Italian-Ethiopian war.  Please keep up.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Did Ethiopia even have any aircraft????

[Rjel]

47 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Did Ethiopia even have any aircraft????

I think they had at least as many as the RAF had during the Revolutionary War.

[Lusekofte]

Did not RAF use this against Italian forces in Ethiopia. Some sort of air war there must have occurred 

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

Did not RAF use this against Italian forces in Ethiopia. Some sort of air war there must have occurred 

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Wardog5711
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[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

 

It sat distance records 

of course not suitable against LW 

but did it’s job well

Edited December 13, 2022 by Wardog5711
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[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

It sat distance records 

of course not suitable against LW 

but did it’s job well

 

 

 It's job was to scare bare foot Africans,  in the colonies. It did that job well, they've  never seen such an ugly crow. ?

[Lusekofte]

9 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

 

 It's job was to scare bare foot Africans,  in the colonies. It did that job well, they've  never seen such an ugly crow. ?

It attacked Italians, using obsolete ac themselves in that theatre in Ethiopia, did recce around Egypt. Well it was one of those 30 in between planes that really was not up for ww2 service

[Denum]

16 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

As the first post above indicates, (no offense to Denum) I'm not so sure the re-birthing this thread, without any of the previous context is going to pencil out so well.

The absence of the ass-hattery that occurred is welcome be sure.

 

Maybe a title change then is in order...just a friendly suggestion since it was pretty much debunked as having any merit...at least as worded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I suppose my point was I'll be happy with whatever they do. 

 

I think I might be in the minority though.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I will purchase whatever comes next.  Sure I have my favorite choice, but I suspect I will have to wait longer for it.  None the less I still am having fun with the sim and will continue to do so.

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, Denum said:

I suppose my point was I'll be happy with whatever they do.

 

Yep... looking forward to Korea.

[Juri_JS]

21 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Did Ethiopia even have any aircraft????

Yes they had a few, but as far as I know they only flew transport and recon missions. The commander of the Ethiopian air force during the war with Italy was John Robinson an African-American aviator.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Juri_JS

[Avimimus]

12 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

Yes they had a few, but as far as I know they only flew transport and recon missions. The commander of the Ethiopian air force during the war with Italy was John Robinson an African-American aviator.

 

It'd be nice to have some Tuskegee aircrew options. I kept thinking of that while looking at the Bearcat memorial thread (while it was still up).

[DBFlyguy]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

It'd be nice to have some Tuskegee aircrew options. I kept thinking of that while looking at the Bearcat memorial thread (while it was still up).

Unfortunately, I highly doubt this ever happening now with Jason gone.  Personally, I'd still rather wait for the Tuskegee Airmen to be included in a proper theater like Italy or North Africa...

 

Though, I definitely wouldn't mind an option for the RAF in the meantime though:

 

 

The new show SAS Rogue Heroes had a nice little nod to Jamaican pilots in the RAF in one of the early episodes:

 

 

[Mmaruda]

I don't frequent the forums or talk to people as often as I used to, but for some communities the Eastern Front was always a concession, rather than something they were really interested in. I've been flying since Forgotten Battles and still the same rants from some people can be seen on local forums. Long story short, some dudes kind of dislike the idea of playing as either the Soviets or the Germans, because of where they're from. Then there are those who take historical accuracy to autismo-level and can't stand how Soviet planes are not braking apart if someone sneezes next to them, because that is what they have read in some books. Because of this, a good amount of people in the Polish community would fly exclusively on the German side, even though the old IL-2 allowed you to play as Polish aviators in the Red Army with radio voice chatter and all. The majority of people however, have simply been flying IL-2 for like 2 decades now and are just tired of the Eastern Front. I'm certain if the next DLC is that, pretty much all my friends will say they've done this to death ages ago and aren't interested. They all wish for Pacific simply due to carrier ops, because carrier ops is super cool. Personally I'd be most happy with Korea, since I miss the days of Mig Alley and would like to fly the Sabre without the tedium of remembering the switches and I'd actually like to have a proper map to go with said Sabre. Also Sea Fury. Also, jets are cool, but get uncool when all you do is BVR and ask AWACS bogey dope every 5 minutes.

TL;DR As far as I'm aware it's not hate, people are just tired of it after all these years.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Mmaruda said:

I don't frequent the forums or talk to people as often as I used to, but for some communities the Eastern Front was always a concession, rather than something they were really interested in. I've been flying since Forgotten Battles and still the same rants from some people can be seen on local forums. Long story short, some dudes kind of dislike the idea of playing as either the Soviets or the Germans, because of where they're from. Then there are those who take historical accuracy to autismo-level and can't stand how Soviet planes are not braking apart if someone sneezes next to them, because that is what they have read in some books. Because of this, a good amount of people in the Polish community would fly exclusively on the German side, even though the old IL-2 allowed you to play as Polish aviators in the Red Army with radio voice chatter and all. The majority of people however, have simply been flying IL-2 for like 2 decades now and are just tired of the Eastern Front. I'm certain if the next DLC is that, pretty much all my friends will say they've done this to death ages ago and aren't interested. They all wish for Pacific simply due to carrier ops, because carrier ops is super cool. Personally I'd be most happy with Korea, since I miss the days of Mig Alley and would like to fly the Sabre without the tedium of remembering the switches and I'd actually like to have a proper map to go with said Sabre. Also Sea Fury. Also, jets are cool, but get uncool when all you do is BVR and ask AWACS bogey dope every 5 minutes.

TL;DR As far as I'm aware it's not hate, people are just tired of it after all these years.

Aye - Sabre vs MiG would be fun. As an American I like the F-86 just fine…but I’m a huge fan of the MiG 15.

Agree on all regarding push-buttons jets etc.

 

 

 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

My only worry if we go to Korea will be the lack of naval aviation, as we won't have carriers.  So no Panther, Skyraider, Corsair, Sea Fury, Firefly.  The only naval aircraft I can think of then would be the Neptune, but that would be a long flight from mainland Japan.

 

So that leaves USAF and RAAF  F86, F84(straight wing), F80, Gloster Meteor, F82, F51, A26 vs. Mig 15, Yak 9U, La9, La11, Tu2, IL 10 as viable combat aircraft.

 

Of course the C47 and Po2 would be there out of the aircraft we already have.  

 

This will be quite a tough plane set in a simulation from a multiplayer and single player perspective because we cannot simulate the abysmal skill of the North Korean Air Force in multiplayer, and the superior Allied pilot skills as AI in single player.  Our numpty AI will be just fine for the early stage of the war where the NKPAF was decimated in a couple weeks.  The AI will not be able to properly simulate the well trained VVS pilots flying Migs for the North though.

 

Interesting conundrum.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by BlitzPig_EL

[CountZero]

Marines used Panther, Skyraider, Corsairs from ground bases so they could model them without carriers.

But doing Korea would mean no ww2 content for next 3 years... They didnt just stop WW2 DLC when they started WW1, it was parallel, WW2 what is main thing in this game is not same as Korea, its two differant wars and differant air wars, first real jet v jet war... PTO in anything without carriers makes more sence then Korea, totaly new war.

[Alexmarine]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

This will be quite a tough plane set in a simulation from a multiplayer and single player perspective because we cannot simulate the abysmal skill of the Luftwaffe green pilots in late 1944 in multiplayer, and the superior Allied pilot skills as AI in single player.  Our numpty AI will be just fine for the late stage of the war where the Luftwaffe was decimated weeks after weeks.  The AI will not be able to properly simulate the well trained allied pilots flying Mustangs for the allies though.

 

Interesting conundrum.

 

 

 

We lived with Bodenplatte, we will be more than fine in Korea 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well played sir.

 

Well played indeed.

[Yogiflight]

57 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

We lived with Bodenplatte,

and BOM

[Gort]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:34 AM, Wardog5711 said:

Due to operator error, the merge of two threads changed the title of the original.

I shall fine myself $1 for the screw-up.

 

The original thread with it's new name is here:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/81922-battle-over-europe/page/6/#comment-1239271

 

But to keep from having multiple wish lists going at one time, lets keep all the wishes and dreams post in this one thread.

 

You can merge two threads into one?

Such power exists? ?

[LukeFF]

15 minutes ago, Gort said:

You can merge two threads into one?

Such power exists? ?

 

LOL yes it's true. Though, one can really mess things up if you're not careful - I used to have the ability to merge threads here until I screwed up one of the stickied threads in the VR forum. ?

[kendo]

On 12/12/2022 at 5:34 PM, Wardog5711 said:

Due to operator error, the merge of two threads changed the title of the original.

I shall fine myself $1 for the screw-up.

 

The original thread with it's new name is here:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/81922-battle-over-europe/page/6/#comment-1239271

 

But to keep from having multiple wish lists going at one time, lets keep all the wishes and dreams post in this one thread.

 

How much money would it take to "merge" ? several other threads around the forum?

 

You'd be doing us all a favour (....well most of us) especiallly if half of the posts are irretrievably lost ?

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2022 by kendo

[Trooper117]

3 hours ago, kendo said:

You'd be doing us all a favour (....well most of us) especiallly if half of the posts are irretrievably lost ?

 

Sacrilege... you bloody Philistine you!

[Noisemaker]

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

LOL yes it's true. Though, one can really mess things up if you're not careful - I used to have the ability to merge threads here until I screwed up one of the stickied threads in the VR forum. ?

@Wardog5711 Do you feel Mr. Smith coming for you?

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Eastern Front Hate?   Nah..pretty strong word.  For me personally, its not hate.  Just general disinterest.   Manchuria, New Guinea, Solomons,  FC3 is what I get excited about.

 

Would purchase AVG flying tigers immediately if offered.

Edited December 19, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[VBF-12_Pequod]

7 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Eastern Front Hate?   Nah..pretty strong word.  For me personally, its not hate.  Just general disinterest. 

How you dare? That's clearly anti-russian bias and you're offending me, dear sir! 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

7 minutes ago, VBF-12_Pequod said:

How you dare? That's clearly anti-russian bias and you're offending me, dear sir! 

Mmmmkay....lol..  ?

[VBF-12_Pequod]

Flying Tigers would be awesome indeed.

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, VBF-12_Pequod said:

How you dare? That's clearly anti-russian bias and you're offending me, dear sir! 

 

Time to visit the correct forum dear pilot... everyone offends everyone here in this shebang!

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Time to visit the correct forum dear pilot... everyone offends everyone here in this shebang!

I took it as a joke....  if not...well I'll try harder to be more aware of someone's "sensitive nature"...?

[VBF-12_Pequod]

Yeah, sorry for my poor attempt at humor ?

Edited December 19, 2022 by VBF-12_Pequod

[Trooper117]

14 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

I took it as a joke....  if not...well I'll try harder to be more aware of someone's "sensitive nature"...?

 

Of course it was a joke... so was my reply 

[Aleksander55]

I don't know if I should write here or the other thread. I just opened my Steam and saw the new Dev Blog #336.

 

Another variant of the 109.

 

It's obvious the devs will create what sells. They said it themselves that 4 engine bombers and aircraft carriers are not possible with the current engine right? So, pacific is not possible.

 

On the other hand, due to current political climate, later war east front might not be the best comercial decision, as better later war soviet fighters might not sell. As that would be the main crux of such a new front. The LW already has multiple variations of later war aircraft including jets. Qualitatively speaking, the greatest impact would be the newer soviet side, LA-7, Yak-3, Yak-9U and P-63 (fine, fine, at least a later version of the p-39 with better engines) and as I said, this might not sell.

 

4 engine bombers and Pacific are out (tecnical reasons). Later war east front is out(political reasons). So... I have no idea. More 109 variants anyone?

[LukeFF]

48 minutes ago, Aleksander55 said:

They said it themselves that 4 engine bombers and aircraft carriers are not possible with the current engine right?

 

No, they did not say that, nor have they ever said that. The issue is the amount of time and resources it takes to develop such large objects.