Developer Diary #334 Discussion

[XQ_Lothar29]

I'm looking forward to getting into the cockpit and feeling this magnificent plane at my controls

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Missionbug said:

Will there also be other Romanian units in career flying 109, Ju-87 and Hs-129 as well?

 

Hs 129s were operating well away from the maps we have, but 109s and Ju 87s were. As to whether they'll be flyable in career mode, too early to say. ?

43 minutes ago, migmadmarine said:

Apparently the Romanian squadrons operating Hs-129 were not in the areas covered by our maps, but some of the 109, stuka were and I think a heavy bomber unit might have been too, so fingers crossed. 

 

Yes, there was a Romanian He 111 unit at Stalingrad.

2 hours ago, Lord_Strange said:

Interesting to see a mixture of German- and Romanian-language instruments in the cockpit, was this due to limited production capability similar to the need to buy guns from other countries?

 

Also note the gunsight - it's British in origin.

[Missionbug]

51 minutes ago, migmadmarine said:

Apparently the Romanian squadrons operating Hs-129 were not in the areas covered by our maps, but some of the 109, stuka were and I think a heavy bomber unit might have been too, so fingers crossed. 

 

Yes, I think there were He-111 units operating over or near to Stalingrad at least so hopefully we might see some of these as AI units in career, and if very lucky maybe also as pilot careers, Romania also used the Ju-88 but as you say it depends where and when as far as the maps go.

 

I had thought the Hs-129 was also at Stalingrad and possibly in Kuban, they were certainly in use by Romania but as you point out maybe not within the areas of the maps we currently have,  it has been many years since I last looked at any histories so am not up to date on the finer details anymore.

 

Note: Luke posted while I was writing.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Missionbug

[LukeFF]

4 minutes ago, Missionbug said:

I had thought the Hs-129 was also at Stalingrad and possibly in Kuban, they were certainly in use by Romania but as you point out maybe not within the areas of the maps we currently have,  it has been many years since I last looked at any histories so am not up to date on the finer details anymore.

 

No, the Romanian Hs 129 squadrons began flying combat missions over Ukraine in August 1943. They were also not issued with the 30mm anti-tank cannons.

Edited December 2, 2022 by LukeFF

[Jaws2002]

2 hours ago, Voyager said:

So, why did they make it longer in the later version? 

 

Does explain why it always looked a bit stretched to me, though. 

It wasn't a big difference. The latest engine used on the plane was made from lighter alloys and was lighter. they stretched the forward fuselage by 70mm to rebalance everything.

 The silly long nose comes from the fuel tanks situated between the engine and the cockpit, like on the British planes.

The prototype had decent proportions, but they realized they needed longer range, so they extended the front section of the fuselage to get more fuel in....

....we ended up with this:

 

[Missionbug]

Just now, LukeFF said:

 

No, the Romanian Hs 129 squadrons began flying combat missions over Ukraine in August 1943.

 

Okay, thanks for the clarification Luke, really appreciated.

 

The more that can be added within the bounds of time and resources obviously all helps the variety available for the player and also helps flesh out the history of the conflict even if that only means getting Pilot career for the I.A.R and AI for the rest it broadens the appeal of existing maps.

 

When able I tend to fly existing campaigns over again as new elements are added such as the weather system and each time it adds variety to the same old landscape so further participating nations would also further help that playability I feel.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Jaws2002]

On 12/2/2022 at 1:47 PM, LukeFF said:

 

 

 

Also note the gunsight - it's British in origin.

 

The thing is a handful of everything they could get their hands on. French engine and oxygen system in the early versions, Polish tail,  German and Romanian gauges, British gunsight, made under license in Austria, Belgian guns and all glued together with Romanian duraluminium.?

 

"There's your plane. Good luck."

Edited December 7, 2022 by Jaws2002

[Vishnu]

Absolutely love it!! Can’t wait to fly this strange aircraft!

[Monksilver]

Looking nice and glad I pre-ordered it.

 

Not ready for a few months, well I have 59 other planes to choose from so hardly the end of the world.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Monksilver

[smink1701]

19 minutes ago, Monksilver said:

Looking nice.

 

Not ready for a few months, well I have 59 other planes to choose from so hardly the end of the world.

Yes, don’t think Il2 needs more planes. 

[Chief_Mouser]

Glad that there are so many options. The final plane that I've pre-ordered and looking forward to trying it out.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Chief_Mouser

[ZachariasX]

Looking nice! Great to see ll those variants implemented.

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, ww2fighter20 said:

Are the Short and Long versions going to be seperate aircraft like the Yak9 and Yak9T and if so will you get both versions with the current pre-order on the store?

It would be logical that this is ame as its with Yak-9s, 2 separate collector airplanes long and short versions.

 

But who knows maybe some ppl will think they are airplanes for new IL-2 project totaly separate from what we have now ?

 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

The thing is a handful of everything they could get their hands on. French engine and oxygen system in the early versions, Polish tail,  German and Romanian gauges, British gunsight, made under license in Austria, Belgian guns and all glued together with Romanian dialuminium.?

 

"There's your plane. Good luck."

 

And Italian wings! ? 

[migmadmarine]

I guess we will see, like had they not already put it up for order I'd say I'd expect them to be separate, but since they have already taken money for it, maybe it will be a single purchase? 

[[CPT]Crunch]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Also note the gunsight - it's British in origin.

And the original British sights were made in, you guessed it, Austria, part of 3D Reich.....

[Jaws2002]

48 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

And Italian wings! ? 

And if that wasn't enough, the plane could carry US bombs captured from the Russians and used Russian drop tanks. 

[Jaws2002]

4 hours ago, Enceladus said:

The IAR 80 looks nice and I will buy it no doubt!

 

Just one question, will a Romanian pilot model and voices be added upon release or shortly after?

 

 

I don't know about voices, but the developers created a thread, a few months ago, asking for documentation about Romanian IAR-80/81 pilots uniforms, parachutes and equipment. A Romanian pilot was in the plan back then. I don't know if things changed or not.

[Niagara]

OK then:   the IAR-80/81 will have 7 variant's   and the 109 and 190 have 1 bazillion variant's ?  and the A-20 has only ONE !!

how about giving us the A-20C  / G and  H -- Variant's ??? 

 and by the way -- ( WISPERING here ) just like The Big Guy does to make his point ==Through Lend-Lease, Soviet forces received more than two-thirds of the A-20B variant manufactured and a significant portion of G and H variants. The A-20 was the most numerous foreign aircraft in the Soviet bomber inventory. The Soviet Air Force had more A-20s than the USAAF.^[24]

I think this is a FARE Request ?

[BladeMeister]

6 hours ago, tattywelshie said:

Yeah I must admit I thought it would be released in a few weeks time 

Yea, me to. I get it that it is one person doing the modeling, but I was thinking we were very close to seeing this. This is getting into the territory of DCS module production length. It looks fabulous and the cockpit looks awesome, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed to learn there are several months before this project will launch. It is what it is, I get it.

 

S!Blade<><

[LukeFF]

5 minutes ago, Niagara said:

OK then:   the IAR-80/81 will have 7 variant's   and the 109 and 190 have 1 bazillion variant's ?  and the A-20 has only ONE !!

how about giving us the A-20C  / G and  H -- Variant's ??? 

 and by the way -- ( WISPERING here ) just like The Big Guy does to make his point ==Through Lend-Lease, Soviet forces received more than two-thirds of the A-20B variant manufactured and a significant portion of G and H variants. The A-20 was the most numerous foreign aircraft in the Soviet bomber inventory. The Soviet Air Force had more A-20s than the USAAF.^[24]

I think this is a FARE Request ?

 

A fair request would be to keep the discussion on topic and not start bitching about a plane variant that's not in the game.

[Avimimus]

13 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

A fair request would be to keep the discussion on topic and not start bitching about a plane variant that's not in the game.

 

Or every plane variant that isn't in the game.

 

But making fair requests of those who have no inclination of being fair, well... hopefully it'll still get listened to I suppose

[Niagara]

9 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

A fair request would be to keep the discussion on topic and not start bitching about a plane variant that's not in the game.

-- Now look who's Bitching ?   OK Sorry,  I will move it to the the Topic ( Requests ) .. Oh that's right --There Isn't one ?? 

the $$$ I spend on IL2 and even on things I don't use , but spend any way's to help support them , gives me the right to 

request an aircraft that Should have been here from almost the beginning ,  sorry you are Offended .. 

[LukeFF]

14 minutes ago, Niagara said:

OK Sorry,  I will move it to the the Topic ( Requests ) .. Oh that's right --There Isn't one ??

 

Right there, champ: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/12-suggestions/

 

14 minutes ago, Niagara said:

gives me the right to 

request an aircraft that Should have been here from almost the beginning

 

Sorry to rain on your parade, but no, it doesn't give you the right to derail a topic with yet another BUT WHY NOT THIS PLANE!!!! post. ?

 

14 minutes ago, Niagara said:

sorry you are Offended

 

Not offended at all. I just get tired of posters who want to change the discussion to "Why isn't my pet plane in the game"?

Edited December 2, 2022 by LukeFF

[Niagara]

  Right there, champ: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/12-suggestions/

YUP that would be a great place to request -- the last time it was viewed was Nov /18/2020 by Jason .. 

i am done with you ,  you are Dismissed .. good day Sir ..

[Jaws2002]

29 minutes ago, Niagara said:

OK then:   the IAR-80/81 will have 7 variant's   and the 109 and 190 have 1 bazillion variant's ?  and the A-20 has only ONE !!

how about giving us the A-20C  / G and  H -- Variant's ??? 

 and by the way -- ( WISPERING here ) just like The Big Guy does to make his point ==Through Lend-Lease, Soviet forces received more than two-thirds of the A-20B variant manufactured and a significant portion of G and H variants. The A-20 was the most numerous foreign aircraft in the Soviet bomber inventory. The Soviet Air Force had more A-20s than the USAAF.^[24]

I think this is a FARE Request ?

 

 

Many of these IAR "versions are very close to one another.  Basically all are just weapons upgrades, since all of them have pretty much the same engines. Many planes have a bunch of weapons upgrades in this game.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Always makes me think of a kit-plane scale corsair...at least the fuselage...

[migmadmarine]

And seriously mate, people have been saying "man, wouldn't an IAR 81 be neat" ever since Stalingrad came out

Edited January 19, 2023 by migmadmarine

[sevenless]

Excellent! Looking great! Please produce more of this stuff for existing BoX modules.

[sgt_fresh]

Dissapointing how about naval aircraft like a FAA Martlet or Hellcat? This development is of an aircraft that was locally produced in low numbers on a forgotten front. How about something more popular to keep our interest?

[=FEW=fernando11]

10 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Will there be a Romanian career with comms and everything? Really looking forward to some axis fighters that aren't 109s or 190s, but they need proper pilots to go with them! The mc202 is rather disappointing in that regard

Yes, after the promised italian pilot model is done.

Italian radio comunications would also be nice.

[=621=Samikatz]

The IAR is coming because someone passionate about the aircraft and wanted it began to build the model themselves. If you have a pet aircraft you want then there's how you guarantee it

[Niagara]

great idea, with my great modeling skills i am providing an aircraft with 3 variants  when will IL2 put them up for collector planes ,? i am only asking $19.99 for the set === i did not know it was so easy to get my pet plane set ? 

[MAJ_stug41]

Now we need that odessa map someone was working on many years ago ?

[pencon]

We need another crap plane to battle the i16 = macchi 200 Saetta Battle of the open cockpits 

Edited December 3, 2022 by pencon

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Cockpit Looks Great!!

Makes me can’t wait jump into it ?

[Jaws2002]

On 12/2/2022 at 10:38 AM, [CPT]Crunch said:

Fantastic looking model, the pilots we have now look so good they really give a great clue as to the scaling of the aircraft.  It's so much smaller than one thinks looking at still photo's.  The gun sight shader will be flipped into position on mine every sortie since it blocks the view anyway.

 

 

Yeah. That gunsight dimmer doesn't look right. I compared the screenshots with original photos and drawings and it looks like the dimmer in the screenshots isn't rotating all the way.  It should be rotated about 180 degrees from the "ON" position. So it should be pointing to around four o'clock. You can also see the handle pointing just 90 degrees right in the screenshot when it should be pointing 180 degrees, straight down.

 

Here's a photo that shows the reticle dimmer rotated 180 degrees and pointing down right and the handle pointing straight down:

 

 

 

 

 

In screenshot the dimmer is pointing about 45 degrees up and right and the handle is pointing at around 3 o'clock:

 

 

 

It should be pointing like this:

 

Edited December 3, 2022 by Jaws2002

[Jaws2002]

here's the original from the museum. You can see the handle is straight up in the "On " position.

 

 

Another issue with the gunsight is that the two gunsights are swapped. This is the Austrian built sight. These ones were used on the earlier models. Later models got the Romanian sight built by I.O.R.  In the screenshots the early planes get the Romanian sight and the late planes get the Austrian sight. It was the other way around.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Jaws2002

[Lusekofte]

22 hours ago, Chief_Mouser said:

Glad that there are so many options. The final plane that I've pre-ordered and looking forward to trying it out.

Same here. Hope we can do coop with it

[Luftschiff]

Can't wait for the IAR! Looking gorgeous, unique and potent. Thank you for making it a reality!