runway localizer

[vx111vx111swift]

HOW TO YOU USE OR ACTIVATE THE RUNWAY LOCLIZER?

[LukeFF]

You start by not typing in all caps...

[vx111vx111swift]

 Is that a crime....

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by vx111vx111swift

[BMA_FlyingShark]

56 minutes ago, vx111vx111swift said:

 Is that a crime....

 

No but it's bad manners.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by FlyingShark

[SCG_Tzigy]

Chill guys. My dad does it all the time. I did not know myself for years. And its not bad manners. Probably honest mistake, i doubt he wanted to be yelling..  ?

[Irishratticus72]

Lo-Cliz-Er.

Could be read another way, ?

[Wardog5711]

 

 

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Is that a crime....

 

 

No, not a crime. But a violation of rule 11. 

 

11. It is prohibited to write your entire message in large or capitalized letters (except for abbreviations and other reasonable usage). Moderators have the right to remove a thread / post, regardless of its relevance, viewership and other factors.

 

So, now you know. ?

 

[dbuile]

The game only has non-selectable NDBs, which are "activated" by being closer to it than any other NDB.

If you mean "runway localizer" like an ILS system, planes like the He 111 may visually have a Lorenz Blind Landing antenna array on their fuselage, but, alas, the system itself is not modelled.

 

As for use of NDBs, I'd suggest the Air Combat Group Tutorials videos:  

Luftwaffe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2EekPx8bQk&t=799s

Allied: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ZOm_HSGPM

 

[56RAF_Stickz]

the runway glidepath/localiser system is working (to a point) in career mode. But you need to install the localiser mod for the C47, you will then have the indicator I-101 show glideslope and localier info (but no audio). If you try to fly 3000ft alt at 15miles from runway centre line should pick it up (a light also flashes at top left of pilot.

You will also see the indicator flick during flight so I have the feeling all airfield are enabled (unlike reality then - in fact pre June 1944 allies were still usimg British SBA system which was localiser only Lorenz type and in most cases audio only).

Do not think it requires NDB except to track you to your field for ils, but I see nothing in the career mission files as to an object enables it so I assume the airfields have it by default if you have the localiser mod fitted.

 

 

[vx111vx111swift]

13 hours ago, SCG_Tzigy said:

Chill guys. My dad does it all the time. I did not know myself for years. And its not bad manners. Probably honest mistake, i doubt he wanted to be yelling..  ?

Thats exactly what occured.

13 hours ago, SCG_Tzigy said:

Chill guys. My dad does it all the time. I did not know myself for years. And its not bad manners. Probably honest mistake, i doubt he wanted to be yelling..  ?

I smake mistsakes once in a while Im 82 years old.

[Irishratticus72]

19 minutes ago, vx111vx111swift said:

Thats exactly what occured.

I smake mistsakes once in a while Im 82 years old.

Good age, my man, good age.

[Wardog5711]

You have me beat by 19 years.

Keep on flying. ?

[dbuile]

8 hours ago, 56RAF_Stickz said:

the runway glidepath/localiser system is working (to a point)

Ah, oh, in the C-47 it does a glidepath?? As in telling you too high/low??  

 

Looking at the NDB object in the Mission Editor, it would be cool if the beacon channel was not just a boolean, but could be set to 0 and any positive number, which kinda still works like a true/false.

Having beacons on different channels would mean you can tune to them.   And it would be cool if you set a Tactical Code (since they are vehicles, the option is there) that it  transmits it in morse.   But then again, I like things most people don't... 

I think I've gotten too old for fighter planes, and just want to aviate in 1930s/40s style in all weather, any time, in night fighter versions of the Bf110 or any Luftwaffe multi-engine for that matter...  

 

[Nolly]

Night Fighter radar. Something that would be amazing in co op.

[czech693]

Is it showing glideslope?  Cause a localizer provides azimuth information.

[PhilthySpud]

I had a quick play the other day and the localiser CDI seems to behave like an ADF in that it gives a steering command to the beacon based on your current heading. That is, for example, ‘turn left to home on the beacon’. This is not at all how the real thing works, but is probably the best they can do with the current navaid modeling.

 

The glideslope CDI seemed to be responding to something, but I didn’t do enough testing to work out what.

 

@Wardog5711 I think it would be a good idea for the devs to provide some explanation of what they’ve actually set up here please.

[Wardog5711]

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 I think it would be a good idea for the devs to provide some explanation of what they’ve actually set up here please.

 

Me too. I will delegate upwards on this one and let you know what they come back with.

[56RAF_Stickz]

5 hours ago, dbuile said:

Ah, oh, in the C-47 it does a glidepath?? As in telling you too high/low??  

 

3 hours ago, czech693 said:

Is it showing glideslope?  Cause a localizer provides azimuth information.

 

Yes, it does, at least it does for the career missions if you take the localiser mod. Get yourself about 15miles from the airfield on the runway heading at around 3000ft and fly towards the runway.

If you know the runway heading, use the NDB radio compass until the radio compass heading pointer matches runway heading, at that point you should see the localiser come in (as you capture signal there is a light also comes on). Follow the runway heading at 3000ft unless the glideslope is giving you too low but at 15miles this shouldnt happen. Then try to follow the glideslope indicator or 300ft rate of descent at 110 mph should get you in ball park.

The American SCS-51 had separate receivers for glideslope and localiser (strictly speaking they still do, its just in a single small box now), so early (pre d-day) they only had localiser anyway as glide slope function had only just been developed.

 

 

2 hours ago, PhilthySpud said:

I had a quick play the other day and the localiser CDI seems to behave like an ADF in that it gives a steering command to the beacon based on your current heading. That is, for example, ‘turn left to home on the beacon’. This is not at all how the real thing works, but is probably the best they can do with the current navaid modeling.

That is not how it seemed to work for me during testing - sure your not confusing with the radio compass display? Certainly when I ran RAF career missions back to the field the localiser began to give steering info around Salisbury.  I cannot test it otherwise on public as I used it on the testers account, dont have it myself for reasons not going into.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

11 hours ago, vx111vx111swift said:

I smake mistsakes once in a while Im 82 years old.

In that case, sorry then.

It happened all to aften that people start using caps to express their unhappiness in an unmannerly way instead of just politely making their point.

Hope you walk the earth for many years to come.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

[PhilthySpud]

On 11/26/2022 at 3:49 PM, 56RAF_Stickz said:

 

That is not how it seemed to work for me during testing - sure your not confusing with the radio compass display? Certainly when I ran RAF career missions back to the field the localiser began to give steering info around Salisbury.  I cannot test it otherwise on public as I used it on the testers account, dont have it myself for reasons not going into.

Just tried it again. The ‘localiser’ was definitely acting as a homer, giving a steering command to the beacon relative to aircraft heading, not position relative to the runway centerline. And, yes, I do know the difference.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

7 hours ago, PhilthySpud said:

Just tried it again. The ‘localiser’ was definitely acting as a homer, giving a steering command to the beacon relative to aircraft heading, not position relative to the runway centerline. And, yes, I do know the difference.

It acts like a homer when pointing towards a radio beacon. Many of the airfields have an additional homing beacon; perhaps that's the case here too and the beacon simply was closer to your airplane than the runway, causing the beacon to "override" the runway system?

[=/Hospiz/=MetalHead]

The glidepath in vanilla game also works as a CDI with bearing towards NDB just in vertical plane.

In other words, if you follow it it will guide you on a perfect path to collide with the antenna ?

[56RAF_Stickz]

8 hours ago, PhilthySpud said:

Just tried it again. The ‘localiser’ was definitely acting as a homer, giving a steering command to the beacon relative to aircraft heading, not position relative to the runway centerline. And, yes, I do know the difference.

yes, my apologies, it has since been reported on testers pages (and 1 more down here)as occuring on the release version. But that isnt what appeared to be happening when it was available on the testing releases. But it is also possible that because I was trying to fly to a position to intercept the localiser that it appeared to work correctly ie it was showing a fly right indication until I entered the beam (and the light top console appeared) and it pulled off of full right indication. I assumed that full right was a power on but no beam received position ( as opposed to central hanging with no power on).

It also appears that people are reporting the radar homing indicator is not working correctly either towards the NDB. Again for me that seemed to be showing relative heading so you could turn towards the runway heading. But we only had a night to test the final release before you had it so maybe something got goofed up. We will see I hope.

[LukeFF]

35 minutes ago, 56RAF_Stickz said:

It also appears that people are reporting the radar homing indicator is not working correctly either towards the NDB. Again for me that seemed to be showing relative heading so you could turn towards the runway heading. But we only had a night to test the final release before you had it so maybe something got goofed up. We will see I hope.

 

Yes, the radio compass display should be indicating the relative bearing to the radio beacon, not the compass heading to intercept the beacon. It works properly in the P-39 and A-20. For instance, if you start a mission on the runway in either of those two planes, the indicator will correctly show a bearing of 180 degrees to the beacon.

[PhilthySpud]

17 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, the radio compass display should be indicating the relative bearing to the radio beacon, not the compass heading to intercept the beacon. It works properly in the P-39 and A-20. For instance, if you start a mission on the runway in either of those two planes, the indicator will correctly show a bearing of 180 degrees to the beacon.

Depends where the beacon is…but yeah.

 

I thought they had modeled some new sort of radio compass that indicated bearing-to-station, ? 

[PhilthySpud]

G’day @Wardog5711, did we ever get an answer to this?