Can this be cleared up please...

[BladeMeister]

It was supposed to be  12 pages!!! Thanks for dashing any hope we had of clearing this matter. You are such a buzz killer lately Wardog! Sheesh!

 

S!Blade<><

Edited December 12, 2022 by BladeMeister

[Trooper117]

Seems like it will make no difference if it goes to 12 or 15 pages... I give up at this point. It was a simple question requiring a simple answer. 

[Wardog5711]

Hey, I am just the lowly town crier. 

When the time comes, I will get to make an announcement, that an announcement will be made by somebody well above my paygrade. ?

 

 

 

[BladeMeister]

LOL!!! The perfect pictoral representation of an admin on the IL2 Forums! LMAO, finding your way, somehow, through the minefield.

? LMAO ? ????

 

S!Blade<><

[Trooper117]

Jason's recent interview was much welcomed, and has certainly had an effect... even more users of the game are chirping up now with concerns over what exactly is happening going forward.

I still find it very surprising that the headshed  do not seem to be worried that without some input from them, the threads on the forum just keep getting more and more, shall we say 'robust' than normal, and with the lack of clarity will probably get worse as speculation becomes rife.

One thing I learned in the army was to always keep your soldiers informed of the situation at all times... keep the troops happy and they are a lot easier to manage, plus it helps with morale.

Silence is definitely not golden in this instance.

[Bonnot]

29 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

One thing I learned in the army was to always keep your soldiers informed of the situation at all times..

...you were lucky to serve in an army who taught this, but it is a much more modern army than the one I served a long time ago ....

34 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Silence is definitely not golden in this instance.

and I totally agree with this, specially in the "interesting"  period we're living   ?

[Trooper117]

Just now, Bonnot said:

...you were lucky to serve in an army who taught this, but it is a much more modern army than the one I served a long time ago ....

 

I joined the British Army in 1972... and apart from the usual BS and square bashing we all had to endure, keeping us informed was certainly a thing then.

I was told to do this as a Junior NCO, and it was even more important to keep that ethos as a Senior NCO... 

After leaving the army, I worked as a PMC Team Leader for years and never forgot that same ethos for managing men... it works!

[Bonnot]

34 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

it works!

I think so, but even now it has probably not reached everybody mind ...imagine an earlier period   ?

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Jason's recent interview was much welcomed, and has certainly had an effect... even more users of the game are chirping up now with concerns over what exactly is happening going forward.

I still find it very surprising that the headshed  do not seem to be worried that without some input from them, the threads on the forum just keep getting more and more, shall we say 'robust' than normal, and with the lack of clarity will probably get worse as speculation becomes rife.

One thing I learned in the army was to always keep your soldiers informed of the situation at all times... keep the troops happy and they are a lot easier to manage, plus it helps with morale.

Silence is definitely not golden in this instance.

It is not clear at all. Fulcrum from Hong Kong bought GB and Clod. 
We know nothing about where and what they intend to do. For all we know they turn this into a phone game. 
 

But I have been thinking. What we have right now can not be undone. And are plentiful to make something for everyone’s taste. 
Personally I take a long brake from this, cooling down a upbuildt frustration. 
Then find out what to do with this. Because it is a great game, I just do not like current gameplay 

[Bonnot]

20 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

What we have right now can not be undone.

 

I really hope so and I share your satisfaction for "what we have"....but I have sometime bad feelings about a totally numeric gameworld  -without any material substance (  DVD ? )- and what happens if the C°  new owners cease trade and service ....you'll have even no solo/offline possibility  - after investing a lot.....

I recognise I have not real knowledge of this metaverse world  ...but I remember when I'd to change from the Apple II to PC , how much I'd lost in hardware and software, really bad memories !

[BladeMeister]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Jason's recent interview was much welcomed, and has certainly had an effect... even more users of the game are chirping up now with concerns over what exactly is happening going forward.

I still find it very surprising that the headshed  do not seem to be worried that without some input from them, the threads on the forum just keep getting more and more, shall we say 'robust' than normal, and with the lack of clarity will probably get worse as speculation becomes rife.

One thing I learned in the army was to always keep your soldiers informed of the situation at all times... keep the troops happy and they are a lot easier to manage, plus it helps with morale.

Silence is definitely not golden in this instance.

Anyone have a link to this interview with Jason?

 

S!Blade<><

[Trooper117]

1 minute ago, BladeMeister said:

Anyone have a link to this interview with Jason?

 

S!Blade<><

 

Here you go mate...  https://stormbirds.blog/2022/12/22/community-qa-catching-up-with-jason-williams/

[Koziolek]

Thank you for the link, Trooper. Great interview, but I would say it introduced more questions and uncertainty about the future of GB ?

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Here you go mate...  https://stormbirds.blog/2022/12/22/community-qa-catching-up-with-jason-williams/

 

Excellent read. 1C or whoever has lost a very valued asset.

 

[DD_Arthur]

4 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

It is not clear at all. Fulcrum from Hong Kong bought GB and Clod.

No. 1CGS still own GB and 1CGS are still part of 1C.

CLoD however is now owned by a different entity.

[Koziolek]

13 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

CLoD however is now owned by a different entity.

Do you mean that Fulcrum bought just a game and not a company 1C Entertainment?

Edited December 23, 2022 by Koziolek

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

4 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

Do you mean that Fulcrum bought just a game and not a company 1C?

Bought 1CE. Different company. They owned CloD and 1946. 
 

New to me is BoS showing up on a Fulqrum store link that got posted in one of these threads yesterday… weird. Shouldn’t be there.

 

[Koziolek]

11 minutes ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said:

Bought 1CE. Different company. They owned CloD and 1946. 

 

 

Yeah, I just noticed that he meant 1C and not 1C Entertainment

[DBFlyguy]

Do these people not know how to come up with company names that won't be confused for other companies?...seriously WTH... This nonsense is as clear as mud ?

Edited December 23, 2022 by DBFlyguy

[Bonnot]

There is no nonsense if the "confusion" is not accidental.............

[DBFlyguy]

6 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

There is no nonsense if the "confusion" is not accidental.............

That would be the height of nonsense as far as I'm concerned.  But if the last few months are any indication, you may be right that it's intentional, doesn't make it any better though....

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

No. 1CGS still own GB and 1CGS are still part of 1C.

CLoD however is now owned by a different entity.

You gotta remind me weekly. These names / companies do not make this situation less chaotic 

[Numl0k]

This thread is giving me the distinct impression that people don't understand that companies may want to keep things they're developing a little bit hush-hush. Yeah, they're not providing full info, and that's their prerogative. What happens when a game company gives full information years in advance? Well, we get a situation like Cyberpunk 2077. People are complaining about features that the devs showed and hyped up early on which never made it into the game, or were implemented in a much more rudimentary way. 

We just got a new chapter of the series a few months ago. It's going to be a while until the next one. I'm sure they're hard at work figuring out exactly what they want to put in the next one. Seems like there may be a big change coming in the series in the future (Either in the next chapter or the one following), which could mean new features, new playstyles, maybe a new engine, or maybe even just starting over from scratch and beginning a new series. They may not even know the extent of what they're going to do, or what they reasonably CAN do. 

 

If they start making claims now, early in the development, and end up shifting gears, people are going to be pissed. "You said it was going to be a new series!" "You said it was going to continue the BoX series!" "You said we were going to get aircraft carriers!" "You said it was going to be an MMO!" "You said we were going to get unlimited breadsticks!". At this stage, they have nothing to gain from making big announcements, but they have a lot to lose. None of us are going to stop playing because of some silence, we're all hooked already. But if they go an piss us off with announcements of things that may be unpopular for portions of the community, or make promises they can't keep, that COULD hurt their bottom line.  

 

I may be new to the IL-2 series, but I'm not new to the gaming world. Been gaming for nearly three decades. I remember debacles like Duke Nukem Forever and Daikatana. I can fully understand why they'd be keeping this one close to the vest. They'll let us know when they're ready.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Numl0k

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well said sir, well said indeed.

Edited December 24, 2022 by BlitzPig_EL
spelling error...doh!

[LukeFF]

35 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well said sir, will said indeed.

 

Absolutely ??

[Trooper117]

3 hours ago, Numl0k said:

This thread is giving me the distinct impression that people don't understand that companies may want to keep things they're developing a little bit hush-hush. Yeah, they're not providing full info, and that's their prerogative. What happens when a game company gives full information years in advance? Well, we get a situation like Cyberpunk 2077. People are complaining about features that the devs showed and hyped up early on which never made it into the game, or were implemented in a much more rudimentary way. 

We just got a new chapter of the series a few months ago. It's going to be a while until the next one. I'm sure they're hard at work figuring out exactly what they want to put in the next one. Seems like there may be a big change coming in the series in the future (Either in the next chapter or the one following), which could mean new features, new playstyles, maybe a new engine, or maybe even just starting over from scratch and beginning a new series. They may not even know the extent of what they're going to do, or what they reasonably CAN do. 

 

If they start making claims now, early in the development, and end up shifting gears, people are going to be pissed. "You said it was going to be a new series!" "You said it was going to continue the BoX series!" "You said we were going to get aircraft carriers!" "You said it was going to be an MMO!" "You said we were going to get unlimited breadsticks!". At this stage, they have nothing to gain from making big announcements, but they have a lot to lose. None of us are going to stop playing because of some silence, we're all hooked already. But if they go an piss us off with announcements of things that may be unpopular for portions of the community, or make promises they can't keep, that COULD hurt their bottom line.  

 

I may be new to the IL-2 series, but I'm not new to the gaming world. Been gaming for nearly three decades. I remember debacles like Duke Nukem Forever and Daikatana. I can fully understand why they'd be keeping this one close to the vest. They'll let us know when they're ready.

 

 

This thread was started to find out one thing... ''will the new project be compatible with the existing content we have already bought'' ... it simply requires confirmation yes or no will do.

I'm not asking for anything that will compromise what the next GB is going to be, or what aircraft or vehicles or features will be included... again, just yes or no is required from the dev's.

That information has been passed up the chain of command by Wardog weeks ago... and yet, still no answer.

 

[Numl0k]

31 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

 

This thread was started to find out one thing... ''will the new project be compatible with the existing content we have already bought'' ... it simply requires confirmation yes or no will do.

I'm not asking for anything that will compromise what the next GB is going to be, or what aircraft or vehicles or features will be included... again, just yes or no is required from the dev's.

That information has been passed up the chain of command by Wardog weeks ago... and yet, still no answer.

 

 

It *seems* like it would be a simple yes or no. But, maybe that's only to someone who doesn't know the in's and out's of the business. 

Like I said in my post, it could be that they simply do not know yet. Maybe they're still working it out. *Or*, it could be that they're keeping that under wraps to avoid angering the community preemptively. Maybe they have an idea of the answer, but they're still working out the details of the business model, and aren't ready to provide an answer for that until they get that part figured out. Since we just got a new chapter, it's likely that it will be a couple years until the next one. A lot can change between now and then, and as I said, they have nothing to gain from talking about it, but potentially a lot to lose.

 

Regardless of the reason, we'll find out when they're ready to tell us. Nothing is *required* of the devs. There are things that we *want*, but it's pretty clear that they're maintaining radio silence on this one for now.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Numl0k

[Eisenfaustus]

Yes - you‘re correct. 
 

However the conclusions you’re hinting at are quite likely - they are not telling us anything because the decisions they made are most likely some which might anger large parts of the community. 
That might not necessarily be a bad business decision as it might lead to new customers - I personally am losing interest in the future of this series rapidly, as I‘m probably amongst those who won‘t like the oh-so-secret decisions. 

[RedeyeStorm]

Well I enjoy what GB is know. Why would anyone stop playing it just because you do not know what is in the future? Even if they announced it before years end you still wouldn’t be playing it for two/three years if it’s a DLC and even more years if it is indeed based on a new engine!

 

Baffled.

[Patricks]

2 hours ago, RedeyeStorm said:

Well I enjoy what GB is know. Why would anyone stop playing it just because you do not know what is in the future? Even if they announced it before years end you still wouldn’t be playing it for two/three years if it’s a DLC and even more years if it is indeed based on a new engine!

 

Baffled.

 

Agree, just play the game, all the whining in the world will change absolutely nothing... 

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, RedeyeStorm said:

Well I enjoy what GB is know. Why would anyone stop playing it just because you do not know what is in the future? Even if they announced it before years end you still wouldn’t be playing it for two/three years if it’s a DLC and even more years if it is indeed based on a new engine!

 

Baffled.

I agree , if one likes it one should play it. 
for my sake this game no longer provide any gain spending time with. 
But not much need to be fixed in order to me using it in SP. 
I wait and see if this will be further improved. I am not spending more money if it just is abandoned as is. SP experience need further development 

[Trooper117]

On 12/24/2022 at 9:57 PM, Numl0k said:

it could be that they simply do not know yet. Maybe they're still working it out.

 

If you have read through these pages in this thread I have already covered this statement... if they don't know all they have to let people know that '' we are not sure at this point in time, but we are still working hard towards that outcome''.

That would calm a few nerves for a start... more and more people are starting to make it known they are worried that there is no information on compatibility since the stream, weeks ago now.

We have had a patch, and that's good news... but still no word on the question in this thread... there is no logical reason the dev's need to be worried about answering it.

[Bonnot]

39 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

there is no logical reason

Is there a Pilot on the Plane  ?

[dburne]

7 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

If you have read through these pages in this thread I have already covered this statement... if they don't know all they have to let people know that '' we are not sure at this point in time, but we are still working hard towards that outcome''.

That would calm a few nerves for a start... more and more people are starting to make it known they are worried that there is no information on compatibility since the stream, weeks ago now.

We have had a patch, and that's good news... but still no word on the question in this thread... there is no logical reason the dev's need to be worried about answering it.

 

Perhaps they do not have final approval yet and can not discuss until they do.

Or they are having too much fun stringing us along and laughing at the forums.

[BraveSirRobin]

25 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Perhaps they do not have final approval yet and can not discuss until they do.

Or they are having too much fun stringing us along and laughing at the forums.

Or they’re made the decision and now have to spend some time putting PR material together to prepare for a formal announcement.

[Guest deleted@83466]

You never know, maybe they’re just f@$&*d and are running out the clock. ??

[Bumfluff]

To be honest the vibe here reminds me of just after 1c dumped cliffs of Dover as an unfinished hot mess and then pulled down the shutters.

 

Next thing you know luthier will turn up promising the world with a crowd funding project!

 

The economy in Russia is very, very bad right now. I’d be surprised if we see any more here. 
 

 

[Koziolek]

Or maybe we are just spoiled by Jason's type of comunication with us.

I believe if he was still around we would already get some type of statement, even saying that they cannot tell us any details yet, but at least trying to explain what is going on. Instead we've got silence

But they are Russians, they have a different approach to communication with customers and Wardog can only tell us what he knows himself. Which is nada

I'm afraid we have to get used to it ?

[BladeMeister]

I think it is TC3, Modern Combat, but they just can't let the proverbial cat out of the bag yet. Wardog knows! Don't kid yourself, he knows.

 

S!Blade<><

 

 

 

[Wardog5711]

Well, the secret is out now. 

You folks are going to love the 360 degree field of view you have when you fly with the commander hatch open.