Can this be cleared up please...

[Hitcher]

Mate, what Han said couldn't have been clearer.

 

New module, same engine.

Edited November 11, 2022 by Hitcher

[BladeMeister]

20 minutes ago, Hitcher said:

New module, same engine.

Well if Han had actually said that it would have been clearer.

 

S!Blade<><

Edited November 11, 2022 by BladeMeister

[CountZero]

41 minutes ago, Hitcher said:

Mate, what Han said couldn't have been clearer.

 

New module, same engine.

Anything els would be doom scenario

[migmadmarine]

I'm also pretty sure they have used (at least in some capacity) the term "New project" or whatever it was people are latching onto for each individual new package, I think it provides no inherent indication of a new stand-alone product. 

[Trooper117]

11 minutes ago, migmadmarine said:

I'm also pretty sure they have used (at least in some capacity) the term "New project" or whatever it was people are latching onto for each individual new package, I think it provides no inherent indication of a new stand-alone product. 

 

Even on their own Russian forums the same questions are being asked... so it's not clear to their own native speakers what is happening in that regard.

[76IAP-Black]

1 hour ago, Hitcher said:

Mate, what Han said couldn't have been clearer.

 

New module, same engine.

Thanks man! That's what i have understand .. no idea who came up with "new" game 

[ShamrockOneFive]

19 hours ago, CountZero said:

So where does all that talk how they wont to do PTO after next DLC fit into this fantasy ?

So they gona make next 2 collector airplanes, and next DLC for this GB series, but PTO after it for new game based on this game engine but upraded and not compatable with GB, or is next DLC already to be not compatable and separate... and somehow they gona abandon all that we got now for another new project that will be competing with this one and have this same game engine just upgraded (ala RoF to BoS) ?

How does all what was said before fit into this new teorie that now is the prime time for them to start to develop new upgraded game engine separate from all this DLC we have and they suposed to plan to add.

Who would be buying C-47, IAR80, Spit16 Bubble and new 2 collector airplane if this game engine is to be past and not compatible with what they plan to do in close future...

 

There's a lot of talk. A lot of theories. Sometimes those get twisted along for such a long time that we play a game of broken telephone until the theories spawn theories and it gets totally out of control.

 

It's quite possible that Great Battles will coexist for some time alongside a new development. Particularly if that development is still a year or more away from early access. Additional Great Battles content would tide many over and the old sim would still stand on its own.

 

12 hours ago, Robli said:

 

As we know that the next title is not Pacific, it is highly unlikely that they would do something that is not compatible with existing planes and content. For Pacific I would understand, as it is completely new theatre, with (almost) completely different planes, so kind of a new start anyway. But if next title is anything where Luftwaffe participated, they would just kind of throw away content that already exists in BoX.

When they talk about upgrading engine now, to me it sounds more like they intend to make it capable of covering "next 10 years", so Pacific and later add-ons would also come under the same game. If they wanted to step away with current compatibility situation, then they would surely do it, when they move to Pacific, instead of telling about major engine upgrade now.

 

We don't know what they are doing next although Han said it wasn't the Pacific.

 

I think that they are winding down on Great Battles and spinning up something new and that in the interim we've got some more Collector Planes and other content coming out to fill in the gap.

 

2 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

Thanks man! That's what i have understand .. no idea who came up with "new" game 

 

With them talking about new technologies the way that they are we can make a reasonable deduction that a new series may be a possibility. They mentioned the first aircraft of this project is underway and that it is using new technologies with enhanced visuals, damage model, flight model, and so forth. Although this doesn't rule out the possibility that the old content and the new content will exist side by side there is also a distinct possibility that it will be a break from the current series.

 

We don't know but neither scenario can be ruled out until they tell us.

[Art-J]

2 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

Thanks man! That's what i have understand .. no idea who came up with "new" game 

The same people who watched the stream and for who that was a clear interpretation. Truth to be told, Han and Loft were avoiding like fire giving any detailed replies and both scenarios are equally possible until a proper announcement appears, hopefully soon.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Seriously, who would deliberately abandon half a million customers already happily using their stuff and most totally love it demanding more?  Are you mad?  By what logic have you arrived at your abandonment conclusion?

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Seriously, who would deliberately abandon half a million customers already happily using their stuff and most totally love it demanding more?  Are you mad?  By what logic have you arrived at your abandonment conclusion?

I wonder if this is why Jansen left?

 

S!Blade<><

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Seriously, who would deliberately abandon half a million customers already happily using their stuff and most totally love it demanding more?  Are you mad?  By what logic have you arrived at your abandonment conclusion?

Are there 500 000 paying customers?  On top of that satisfied ones? 
Most I see is more interested in what next not what they have. 
And that is not a sign of happily users. Most of us act like spoiled kiddos

2 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

With them talking about new technologies the way that they are we can make a reasonable deduction that a new series may be a possibility.

I have many doubts, this all going to be good news for me. But I guess for most. 
seeing that focus are on big guns and fast aeroplanes, this is their road ahead. Obviously both boob and Bon are based on what developers expect the majority wants. 
I hope Micropose B17 will materialise. Because when this game finally see fit to make anything interesting for me I guess I am too old to care. 
I do unlike many others here accept developers choices. I bought a game I have. I did not buy their future. No one is abandoned, we are invited to the continuance , and we are free to accept or decline. 

Edited November 12, 2022 by 216th_Lusekofte

[WVS-TheMowe]

Have new account will be good ???

[7bhp_Mk]

Wow, very interesting to read all your concerns, guys. It's honestly like an episode of Coronation Street up in this place. I enjoy the sim as much as I enjoy watching all you crazy cats speculate about what may, or may not, be going forward. Personally, I have the utmost faith in the developers of this amazing piece of software, and I'm sure we will all be satisfied with the clarification of future direction when it is finally revealed. To quote a favourite movie of mine: "Chill, Winston!".

[MD_Titus_Gibbonicus]

We've just introduced a metric ton of new features, DVD, visual effects etc, and now we're going to turn the series into abandonware and develop a new game on a new engine with none of the content transferable and start again. 

 

does that sound plausible.

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, MD_Titus_Gibbonicus said:

We've just introduced a metric ton of new features, DVD, visual effects etc, and now we're going to turn the series into abandonware and develop a new game on a new engine with none of the content transferable and start again. 

 

does that sound plausible.

 

Yes. The engine would be in this possible scenario something that is somewhat or heavily modified. Not new. All of those features would continue on and perhaps pick up even more.

 

Almost nobody develops new game engines these days.

[Boomerang]

Best to wait and hear what development informs. Anything less tends to end up appearing like a Suspense Horror Thriller.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

5 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Yes. The engine would be in this possible scenario something that is somewhat or heavily modified. Not new. All of those features would continue on and perhaps pick up even more.

 

Almost nobody develops new game engines these days.

Agreed, there's little chance of them developing a new engine. But if they're simply "upgrading" the current engine, it's likely achievable to just port the existing content. The 3d models are still up-to-par and of high enough quality, especially after the recent 4k maps. Speaking of textures, I just did. Maps consist of a heightmap, forest map, water map and decals; whatever other map system you're going to use, it's likely gonna have these same components. Flight model; any new FM will have the same relations between Cl, Cd, AoA, speed, etc. at various points on the surface that the current model has. Just port them over, like they did with RoF.

 

But let's suppose that they're doing a completely new game, for now. They've already announced it's not PTO or Italy, as well as not featuring any large cities (Berlin, Leningrad, etc.). BoX already did all the famous battles/theatres already (Normandy, Rheinland, Stalingrad, Moscow, Kuban, part of Kursk). That means that either it's going to be IL2v2: Battle of Backwaters, or they're going to redo an earlier IL2 module. In the former case, do you think it'd be profitable? In the latter case, the new module would only have a couple of planes, vs. the existing BoX with 80-something that are still quite up-to-date. They'd be their own biggest competitor.

[kendo]

14 hours ago, 7bhp_Mk said:

Wow, very interesting to read all your concerns, guys. It's honestly like an episode of Coronation Street up in this place. I enjoy the sim as much as I enjoy watching all you crazy cats speculate about what may, or may not, be going forward. Personally, I have the utmost faith in the developers of this amazing piece of software, and I'm sure we will all be satisfied with the clarification of future direction when it is finally revealed. To quote a favourite movie of mine: "Chill, Winston!".

 

I was thinking more Eastenders to be honest - the angst level is well above Corrie    ?

Edited November 12, 2022 by kendo

[Aapje]

To me this announcement only makes sense if they are making a new engine that is not compatible with the old content. They want to update all kinds of stuff which means that the old content is undoubtedly no longer going to be suitable for the new engine. So then they would have to go back and basically redo much of the old content.

 

So I expect a 'reboot' where the old content still works with the old engine and new content works with the new engine.

[Lusekofte]

I kind of find it neat. Never in history ever of flight sim. Has a developer been so unclear and fishy ever about their product to come. 
No teasers , no plan, nothing concrete what so ever. Just a bunch of this is going to be. 
The fact must be, they have no clue themselves, but are on a track to something. 
I am not comfortable having this online game depending on support every day to work, instead of a disc. Only thing make me trust it is the fact that ROF is still playable 

[BlitzPig_EL]

[MajorMagee]

As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly...

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

So I expect a 'reboot' where the old content still works with the old engine and new content works with the new engine.

If that is the case, and who knows for sure right now, then I will probably be done with IL2 because I don't think I want to buy all of the same planes and maps again, even if graphically updated and new tech is introduced. I get it, GBS is technically 10 years old, but this software is in a really good position to fix the glaring bugs and become a truly great series as it stands. Starting all over? For me, probably not.

 

S!Blade<><

[AndyJWest]

Can someone here please clear something up for me. Where exactly did the developers state they are building 'a new engine'? Reading this thread, I get the distinct impression that they didn't. At least it starts that way, before people have replied to each other's attempts to wring definitive conclusions from a few vague words so many times that we've lost track entirely of what it is we are supposed to be writing about.

[CountZero]

6 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

Can someone here please clear something up for me. Where exactly did the developers state they are building 'a new engine'? Reading this thread, I get the distinct impression that they didn't. At least it starts that way, before people have replied to each other's attempts to wring definitive conclusions from a few vague words so many times that we've lost track entirely of what it is we are supposed to be writing about.

How do you read this parts from DD:

 

Fourth, we have already started the creation of the technical design documents for the new aircraft and one of these aircraft is already in development. The work on new pilots models is already underway. The pre-production of the new map has started - our designers are doing various research on the new area. This work is very extensive and complex because the chosen theatre of war is very interesting and visually appealing. But the reference documents and materials are not easy to come by. In fact, as it was before in our team experience, it looks like we'll not only create a new memorable realistic combat sim, but make a contribution to the history as a science by uncovering new data. At the very least we'll do our part in refreshing the public memory of these events.

 

To me hes clearly talking about next DLC for GB, but if you read it some ppl can think hes talking about totaly new game, other confusing thing is they keep saying new project insted new DLC, so when you have change in leadership, devs not saying anything clearly, next DLC not anounced for 2+ months now... ppl start to panic lol

Edited November 12, 2022 by CountZero

[Lusekofte]

They are improving the engine they got. To such extent that what we got to date cannot be used as is. If the content can be added later they have not stated. I guess it is like importing fs 2020 planes into today’s game engine. Probably can be done , but might be a workload exceeding just making new

[AndyJWest]

8 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

They are improving the engine they got. To such extent that what we got to date cannot be used as is. 

 

What is your source for that? Where have they stated that "what we got to date cannot be used"?

[CountZero]

So this is how i read DD, they aim to improve game engine and priorities for next few years are better graphics and more accurated FM

 

1st: better graphic for airplanes and other objects (exmpl from artstation on how they should look in game https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Pe3Zro ) 
2nd: better looking GUI 
3rd: more accurate flight models
4th: next DLC talk
5th: finishing prjects already started

 

not to make totaly separate game or prepare for totaly separate game from GB, its improve existing game engine and all what we already have.

Edited November 12, 2022 by CountZero

[Thad]

2 hours ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

I kind of find it neat. Never in history ever of flight sim. Has a developer been so unclear and fishy ever about their product to come. 
No teasers , no plan, nothing concrete what so ever. Just a bunch of this is going to be. 
The fact must be, they have no clue themselves, but are on a track to something. 
I am not comfortable having this online game depending on support every day to work, instead of a disc. Only thing make me trust it is the fact that ROF is still playable 

 

Ah, one can never go wrong with presenting generalizations.

[Koziolek]

Guys, do not read only the notes but listen to the stream

Nothing 100% conclusive but:

Albert from 7:00

"The important announcement is we not only plan doing DLC for you, as usual". 

and later (around 13:00) Han talking about a revolutionary mood in the team - the same as in 2008 when they started RoF and in 2013 when they started GB

 

But it does not mean the next one won't be a simple DLC as usual especially if they already started a new plane production, maybe these big changes are for the distant future.

But the mood, visible in the stream - not the notes only is they want to do something completely new. At least that's my take

 

 

[sevenless]

19 minutes ago, Koziolek said:

But the mood, visible in the stream - not the notes only is they want to do something completely new. At least that's my take

 

They will and that's a very good thing, because they need to be competitive in 3 years when the "new project" is finished and for the future if they want to stay in business. I am more than happy about it and hopefully the "new thing" will be capable of managing that huge amount of planes that Il-2 1946 was already capable of handling 15 years in the past.

 

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by sevenless

[Guster]

49 minutes ago, CountZero said:

So this is how i read DD, they aim to improve game engine and priorities for next few years are better graphics and more accurated FM

 

1st: better graphic for airplanes and other objects (exmpl from artstation on how they should look in game https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Pe3Zro ) 
2nd: better looking GUI 
3rd: more accurate flight models
4th: next DLC talk
5th: finishing prjects already started

 

not to make totaly separate game or prepare for totaly separate game from GB, its improve existing game engine and all what we already have.

 

Makes sense and is congruous with the previous interview.

 

A little more consistency in the quality of the cockpits is welcome. Most look very nice indeed, while a few others are somewhat lacking, like the FW A-models hood top panel and the Spit rear view for example.

[Harlequin]

Around the 45-46 min mark of the stream they talk about fuel systems/drop tanks.  They say that the system will not be in great battles, but the new project will have this.

 

For me this is a clear separation of the projects. I.e what's next won't be compatible with current GB content.

[Jaegermeister]

On 11/10/2022 at 6:09 AM, Trooper117 said:

Can someone please clear up whether or not the new project is a stand alone new GB series or not. 

 

To OP,  apparently not...

[CountZero]

15 minutes ago, cosg_Paul said:

Around the 45-46 min mark of the stream they talk about fuel systems/drop tanks.  They say that the system will not be in great battles, but the new project will have this.

 

For me this is a clear separation of the projects. I.e what's next won't be compatible with current GB content.

The way i understod that is they cant be finished in planed project (and work that AP done is not finished and he left so they cant finish it) and have no recorces to finish the task, and they plan to finish it for next project and its funds, to me means next DLC,  next DLC for GB.

 

Like i think from start there is problem with defining what "next project" or "new project" means, what that means ? to me thats next DLC, like they say previous project Fifth, we're finishing the previous projects. they mean previous DLC, not RoF. Im sure this is language problem.

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by CountZero

[Missionbug]

5 hours ago, kendo said:

 

I was thinking more Eastenders to be honest - the angst level is well above Corrie    ?

 

I don't watch any of those things anymore, or television in general come to think of it over the last twenty years, I come here for my daily entertainment as it is far more interesting going through the threads everyday with all the angst and drama it reveals the world over from this community.

 

Take care and be safe, eat drink and be happy.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Harlequin]

Thanks for your comments countzero.  I agree with what you mean about confusion over meaning of project Vs module etc.  

Why would they say "not be in great battles" though?

Like why say not be in anything at all when you think about it.  If there wasn't some degree of separation then you wouldn't need to clarify what it will be in.

 

I think people can dispute what they actually mean from their statements i.e whether they said what they meant but in terms of the actual words used there's something the fuel system will be in and something that it won't

[CountZero]

52 minutes ago, cosg_Paul said:

Thanks for your comments countzero.  I agree with what you mean about confusion over meaning of project Vs module etc.  

Why would they say "not be in great battles" though?

Like why say not be in anything at all when you think about it.  If there wasn't some degree of separation then you wouldn't need to clarify what it will be in.

 

I think people can dispute what they actually mean from their statements i.e whether they said what they meant but in terms of the actual words used there's something the fuel system will be in and something that it won't

You need to also take intoacount that i was sure they are doing Sicily 43 as next DLC from what they were saying, so i could be totaly wrong in how i understod them lol

 

If in two weeks we still dont have clear answer from devs i would start to be worry, as this to me seam like easy thing to solve by one coment from devs if its just misunderstanding and they are not talking about new game separate from GB.

[Trooper117]

I'll say this again... Wardog has seen our concerns and has passed it on up the chain, so the devs are aware what is being said in this thread... if anyone read his reply, he clearly states his opposite number on the Russian forums is saying they are asking the same questions as we are.

 

This is odd... we might think they were a bit vague on the stream as we are not Russian speakers and may have not fully understood what they were saying.

But if their own native speaking Russian fans are asking the same questions as us, that means they were vague in their responses to them as well.

If Russians speaking to Russians left them needing clarification after their stream why is that?

 

One thing I did notice on our stream was that Loft looked distinctly uneasy a couple of times when answering wardogs questions... did anyone else clock that?

But that's by the by... perhaps they are still not sure whether the current series can work with the upgraded game engine yet and are still testing it.

 

I would like to think we could integrate the current game with the new stuff coming out... if we can't, so be it. I'm sure they know what they are doing    

 

[Rjel]

So let me get this straight. The next project is either going to be compatible with Great Battles and a lot of us will be glad, sad or mad or it isn't going to be compatible with Great Battles and a lot of us will be glad, sad or mad? That should be good for another dozen or more pages of vague, confusing and/or angry posts. Or maybe not.