Can this be cleared up please...

[Trooper117]

Can someone please clear up whether or not the new project is a stand alone new GB series or not.

The dev's were quite clear in that stream that some of the features that were asked for could not be done with the current game engine, but could only be done with the new engine, so Normandy etc would not get drop tanks and a host of other improvements as it would be impossible.

[Chief_Mouser]

The beginning of a new series is how I read it.

 

[BladeMeister]

Yeah, I am confused also, but confusion can be a good thing in certain instances,....I think?

 

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[Jack_Daniels1983]

I didn't quite get it either. Is there a new series coming, or will the existing series be converted to a new technology.

[Fritz_X]

A clear, official answer would be much appreciated.

 

From the things they said so far (and those they didn't say) one can only assume that they will start clean slate with a new series of modules that is not directly connected to BoX.

 

I mean, those devs know what they are doing and they also know how to communicate. If this new installment and engine-upgrade would be a part of the BoX-franchise, they easily could have said so.

[CountZero]

To me its clear they are doing upgrades to existing game engine, and any next DLC will be part of existing GB game, and all upgrades will be to all existing GB DLCs, game will be same not that they are working on 2nd/separate part of game, like RoF is not FC.

But if there is so many confused users i think they should be more clear on this.

[BladeMeister]

8 minutes ago, CountZero said:

To me its clear they are doing upgrades to existing game engine, and any next DLC will be part of existing GB game, and all upgrades will be to all existing GB DLCs, game will be same not that they are working on 2nd/separate part of game, like RoF is not FC.

But if there is so many confused users i think they should be more clear on this.

I hope you are correct Sir, but I just did not get that clear understanding that the 'new project' is definitely an upgraded continuation of the GBS.

 

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[Trooper117]

11 minutes ago, CountZero said:

To me its clear they are doing upgrades to existing game engine

 

How is it clear? Can you explain what they said?, because to me and others here it most certainly was not clear at all... if you read my post they said it wouldn't be possible to do certain improvements to Normandy etc, because they made it sound that new aircraft in the new engine would be starting from scratch to implement that much requested features.

[sevenless]

Good summary including some interpretations that I concur with from Shamrockonefive here:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2022/11/09/what-we-now-know-about-the-future-of-the-il-2-series/

[CountZero]

12 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

How is it clear? Can you explain what they said?, because to me and others here it most certainly was not clear at all... if you read my post they said it wouldn't be possible to do certain improvements to Normandy etc, because they made it sound that new aircraft in the new engine would be starting from scratch to implement that much requested features.

what they talk about in why they cant make DT, i interpet that they cant finish it for BoN because guy making it left, and they waisted 1 year and they went in wrong direction. So in timeline of next DLC they gona try to rework and implement new version of DT system. Same as for pilot kill when bailing out over water, its gona be worked on in timeline of next DLC, same as for AI revisions and rest, its gona be worked on in budget and timeline of next DLC. This is how i get it, also enigma video from one month ago have han saying no plan for new engine just upgrades to existing one, its clear, you dont make that big change in 30 day.

Edited November 10, 2022 by CountZero

[DD_Crash]

I seem to remember Oleg doing a major engine upgrade for Il-2. He said it was for preparation for Cliffs of Dover.

[Trooper117]

5 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Good summary including some interpretations that I concur with from Shamrockonefive here:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2022/11/09/what-we-now-know-about-the-future-of-the-il-2-series/

 

Yes, a good summary, and that's how I perceived the stream as well... 

[Fritz_X]

9 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Good summary including some interpretations that I concur with from Shamrockonefive here:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2022/11/09/what-we-now-know-about-the-future-of-the-il-2-series/

 

Thank you for sharing the link.

 

The article pretty much sums up how I feel what's going to come in the future (new installment that is technically not connected to BoX/ GB, FC3 not happening, etc.).

[AEthelraedUnraed]

The way I understood it, they're working on big upgrades of certain parts of the game engine. Not a completely different engine. And why would they?

[CountZero]

I totaly didnt see it the way its explained in that log.

 

But this is prime example why Jason leving was so worrying for many , eveything was more clear back then and not so poorly comunicated like it seam now if we can have sutch differant understanding on whats next lol

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

1 minute ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

The way I understood it, they're working on big upgrades of certain parts of the game engine. Not a completely different engine. And why would they?

How i understand new project is different game , it's not in il2 gb directory, no shared content like normal DLC , new executable and data  not compatible whit current series.

[Trooper117]

There is also this concept that 'we' the fan base should make things ourselves to enhance the game further... maps, vehicles, planes etc, if people out there have the required skills. I did however think he was referring to the existing GB series, as when the stated promised items already in development came to fruition, that would be it for the GB series as is now...

Obviously, there can be misconceptions on what was said, that's why people need clarification from the devs.

[ITAF_Rani]

1 hour ago, Fritz_X said:

A clear, official answer would be much appreciated

Yes ...hoping in a clear anouncement soon about future of sim and next DLC

[CountZero]

2 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

There is also this concept that 'we' the fan base should make things ourselves to enhance the game further... maps, vehicles, planes etc, if people out there have the required skills. I did however think he was referring to the existing GB series, as when the stated promised items already in development came to fruition, that would be it for the GB series as is now...

Obviously, there can be misconceptions on what was said, that's why people need clarification from the devs.

and to me this was like typical, if you think its so easy do it your self dev answer, not real expectation for players to build thouse things, and it was ment for this existing GB game, not some future project where players can add stuff.

But if we are this confused i hope for more clear answers sone.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

19 minutes ago, CountZero said:

what they talk about in why they cant make DT, i interpet that they cant finish it for BoN because guy making it left, and they waisted 1 year and they went in wrong direction. So in timeline of next DLC they gona try to rework and implement new version of DT system. Same as for pilot kill when bailing out over water, its gona be worked on in timeline of next DLC, same as for AI revisions and rest, its gona be worked on in budget and timeline of next DLC. This is how i get it, also enigma video from one month ago have han saying no plan for new engine just upgrades to existing one, its clear, you dont make that big change in 30 day.

Not how i understand that , the fuel system will be supported from the beginning in the new project, not next DLC for GB series. They said it is not finished and they don't have resources to add it to all airplanes. They might add simpler version to current series. Just drop tanks with auto fuel management.

[Zooropa_Fly]

It'll be announced soon enough, just relax everyone.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

8 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

How i understand new project is different game , it's not in il2 gb directory, no shared content like normal DLC , new executable and data  not compatible whit current series.

Where did you get that from? I didn't hear anything to that effect.

[Trooper117]

Just now, Zooropa_Fly said:

just relax everyone.

 

I think the conversation in the thread is totally relaxed thanks... and we don't need a little insect to tell us otherwise... 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Just now, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Where did you get that from? I didn't hear anything to that effect.

You don't need to hear  exactly those details  if you hear what is new project to them. New project is new game. How do you imagine two psychical engines  working together in one game word. 

[Art-J]

13 minutes ago, CountZero said:

and to me this was like typical, if you think its so easy do it your self dev answer, not real expectation for players to build thouse things, and it was ment for this existing GB game, not some future project where players can add stuff.

You have a somewhat strange way of interpreting that stream, but It might be a problem of one non-native ENG speaker trying to understand non-native ENG speaking developers.  Granted, their replies were generally very vague, but this is where I think you're clearly wrong. Not going to re-listen to the stream again, but I'm pretty sure Albert specifically encouraged more talented guys in the community twice to contact him and come up with workload help in exchange for some financial return (if they have required skills). Not surprising, given the fact that all current 3rd parties for Il-GB and DCS have started as modders who just later decided to go commercial.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Art-J

[CountZero]

But who would buy anything they anounce for GB if aim is new game, why even buy BON that was relised just 2 months ago if objective is new game, why buy next DLC...if they are doing new game... it just make no sence that they are talking about some totaly differant game then this GB. Who would buy next 2 collector airplanes they are making for GB if there is no plan for GB anymore.

[Trooper117]

Just now, CountZero said:

it just make no sence that they are talking about some totaly differant game then this GB. Who would buy next 2 collector airplanes they are making for GB if there is no plan for GB anymore.

 

This is why we need clarification from an official source...

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

5 minutes ago, CountZero said:

But who would buy anything they anounce for GB if aim is new game, why even buy BON that was relised just 2 months ago if objective is new game, why buy next DLC...if they are doing new game... it just make no sence that they are talking about some totaly differant game then this GB. Who would buy next 2 collector airplanes they are making for GB if there is no plan for GB anymore.

To have fun until they come up with new project which could take years to come. They need money to go on, project in development do not make money.

Edited November 10, 2022 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[szelljr]

...riseofflight' vol.2

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

7 minutes ago, szelljr said:

...riseofflight' vol.2

Good question is if they consider developing WW1  content in the new project. If they do i hope they would not retro fit old  FMs like they did in FC .

Edited November 10, 2022 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Voidhunger]

They are going to do dlc planes for existing BOX games so the new planes will be compatible

[szelljr]

5 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

Good question is if they consider developing WW1  content in the new project. If they do i hope they would not retro fit old  FMs like they did in FC .

Noh? , i was thinking when ROF was 'abandoned' because...

[Dennis_Nedry]

First and foremost, we're committed to the new project tech that is already in development. At the moment our graphics engine gives us more than competitive visuals and performance. And the progress doesn't stop.

 

They are obviously just upgrading the same engine.  The question is will the upgrades cover the previous GB series.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

1 minute ago, szelljr said:

Noh? , i was thinking when ROF was 'abandoned' because...

Because new project ??

[Guster]

Maybe a new game engine and then migrate the whole thing. Or finish the current platform and then move on to greener pastures. I'm as puzzled as everyone else.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Guster

[AEthelraedUnraed]

21 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

You don't need to hear  exactly those details  if you hear what is new project to them. New project is new game. How do you imagine two psychical engines  working together in one game word. 

They've described all the modules as "projects" in the past. The fact that they use the term "project" doesn't mean anything.

 

The way I understood it, is that they're doing major upgrades to the current physics engine. I can't remember them saying that they're completely going to replace it. Even if they did, it doesn't automatically mean it's a different game. If a new engine uses similar data files, you could just replace the current engine with the new one.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

2 minutes ago, Dennis_Nedry said:

First and foremost, we're committed to the new project tech that is already in development. At the moment our graphics engine gives us more than competitive visuals and performance. And the progress doesn't stop.

 

They are obviously just upgrading the same engine.  The question is will the upgrades cover the previous GB series.

They also upgraded ROF engine to Il2 GB engine witch made both uncompatible to share content. 

[Trooper117]

1 minute ago, Dennis_Nedry said:

They are obviously just upgrading the same engine.  The question is will the upgrades cover the previous GB series.

 

Upgrading the existing engine turns it into an 'enhanced' engine... therefore a new version of the old engine... and will that be compatible.

[Jade_Monkey]

In the previous interview with enigma they clearly said they are going to upgrade the engine, not switch to a new one. So I'm inclined to interpret that as continuing box and not a clean break.

[Trooper117]

This could all be solved by a quick clear cut message from someone from the team... in fact they could have made things totally clear on the stream, but they didn't.